Rees was not a good qb but that doesn't mean he can't be a good coach. Wish we had virtually any other starter in the last decade w/ that particular team, we would've won big. To trash his play would be fair, but to rip into his potential coaching abilities is premature.
Tommy Rees
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Not going to get into arguing if Rees was or was not a good QB. Others have already said he played up to his physical abilities (I agree) and his statistics are up there among the best at ND.
What I'd like to get into is coaching ... great players do not necessarily translate into great coaches ... just look at all the past and current top coaches (in any sport) and how many of them were stars in their sport during their playing days. Who ever heard of Nick Saban or Urban Meyer before they became coaches? Bill Belichick? Dean Smith? Lou Holtz? ...
I think Rees really understood what Kelly wanted done, which was why he got so much playing time despite his physical limitations. He seems to have a good football mind and understands the game. He just might make a good coach.
What I'd like to get into is coaching ... great players do not necessarily translate into great coaches ... just look at all the past and current top coaches (in any sport) and how many of them were stars in their sport during their playing days. Who ever heard of Nick Saban or Urban Meyer before they became coaches? Bill Belichick? Dean Smith? Lou Holtz? ...
I think Rees really understood what Kelly wanted done, which was why he got so much playing time despite his physical limitations. He seems to have a good football mind and understands the game. He just might make a good coach.
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That he may become a top coach is not the question, that he is inexperienced is not questionable either.
This is not the local Jr. College or a local H.S. to get training at.
ND has gone from Sanford to TR. Do you view that as an upgrade?
I think the real answer is that there were just not a lot of interested candidates available AND Kelly generally goes with his 'comfort' zone of hiring persons he has been familiar with or comfortable with in the past
JMO: as far as coaching assistance for '17, Wim is on his own. Based on prior QB's developments, being let alone might be a 'good thing'.
"Dumbest board in all of sports" Yet the jack-off lives on the site! It is readily apparent...no one knows dumb better than him! Isn't it nice that if you don't agree with that asswipes opinion you are considered clueless, blind and stupid. It's no wonder he is the most hated person on this website....and there isn't a close second.
Let's see...the basketball coach sucks, the football coach blows, the AD stinks and now the new QB coach is no good.....is there anything this moron doesn't cry about??? The dude loves to bitch doesn't he.....
Sure. First and foremost you are comparing poor play on the field to the ability to teach.
That in itself is idiotic. Rees was a pretty good qb in his time at nd. Sure he had his share of bad plays. The good plays and the bad plays he executed on the field have absolutely nothing to do with his ability to coach. He s highly regarded in the business. That's good enough for me. What would you prefer ? A guy who was an average player and a very good coach or the opposite
I thought he had an above average career.
What qualifications does shit for brains have to make any kind of statement regarding a person's ability to coach qb's? The asshat has never spent one day on the football field in a coaching capacity. Sitting one's fat ass on a barstool doesn't qualify anyone to be making decisions....add to the fact that he is stupid, well.
Sanford was the offense coordinator, Rees is only a QB coach. Big difference. I think he will do fine.
was under the impression that MS was working with the QB's also!
No wonder Sanford left!
What were his duties? Sit in the Booth with Denbrook and get him coffee?
He did not call plays? Kelly was the de facto OC and now your saying Mike did not have QB coaching duties? Yikes! At lesst he got to see the games! Oh wait, that was like a nightmare too!
No wonder Sanford left!
What were his duties? Sit in the Booth with Denbrook and get him coffee?
He did not call plays? Kelly was the de facto OC and now your saying Mike did not have QB coaching duties? Yikes! At lesst he got to see the games! Oh wait, that was like a nightmare too!
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He left because he was offered a head coaching position. I thought the qb position regressed last year. Sanford ran that room. Get your western Kentucky gear yet ?
I thought he had a below average career. To cite numbers at this stage is not entirely telling. Passing numbers in general are on the rise so comparing numbers doesn't work. He may have tried his ass off but he was extremely limited physically and for those that want to talk about how he knew the offense and how to check at the line, it never really got us anywhere offensively, especially against any decent defense. He would put up numbers against bad defenses and rarely did so against good or even decent ones. W/ the offensive talent that team had, we shouldn't have struggled at times to score, and it was mostly because of the qb position. An above average qb w/ that team would've resulted in better offenses.
Echo....maybe you should ask numbnuts at what school he coached qb's. Seems like a logical question doesn't it?
Not a "good" QB.......Have to disagree - not a "great" QB maybe, although I belive he was 18-4 as a starter. And this resume would be one most college QB's would be ok living with;
REES' PLACE IN THE IRISH RECORD BOOKS
•Single-Game Consecutive Completions (Nov. 12, 2011 vs. Maryland, 14, t-1st)
•Single-Game Pass Completions (Oct. 30, 2010 vs. Tulsa, 33, 2nd)
•Single-Game Pass Attempts (Oct. 30, 2010 vs. Tulsa, 54, 6th)
•Single-Game Touchdown Passes (Oct. 30, 2010 vs. Tulsa, 4, t-6th)
•Single-Game Touchdown Passes (Oct. 8, 2011 vs. Air Force, 4, t-6th)
•Single-Game Pass Completions (Nov. 12, 2011 vs. Maryland, 30, t-9th)
•Single-Game Consecutive Passes Without Interception (Oct. 1, 2011 at Purdue, 40, t-10th)
•Single-Season Completion Percentage (2011, 65.5, 2nd)
•Single-Season Completions/Game (2011, 20.7, 4th)
•Single-Season Pass Completions (2011, 269, 4th)
•Single-Season Consecutive Passes Without Interception (2011, 135, 5th)
•Single-Season Pass Attempts (2011, 411, 5th)
•Single-Season Touchdown Passes (2011, 20, 5th)
•Single-Season Passing Yards (2011, 2,871, 5th)
•Single-Season Total Offense Plays (2011, 442, 6th)
•Single-Season Pass Attempts/Game (2011, 31.6, 6th)
•Single-Season Total Offense Yards (2011, 2,815, 6th)
•Single-Season Completion Percentage (2010, 61.0, 7th)
•Single-Season 300-Yard Passing Games (2011, 1, t-7th)
•Single-Season 300-Yard Passing Games (2010, 1, t-7th)
•Single-Season Passing Yards/Game (2011, 220.8, 8th)
•Single-Season Total Yards/Game (2011, 216.5, 10th)
•Single-Season Points Responsibility (2011, 120, t-10th)
•Career Completion Percentage (2010-, 63.8, 1st)
•Career 300-Yard Passing Games (2010-, 2, t-3rd)
•Career Completions/Game (2010-, 12.9, 4th)
•Career Pass Completions (2010-, 403, 5th)
•Career Touchdown Passes (2010-, 34, t-5th)
•Career Pass Attempts/Game (2010-, 20.3, 6th)
•Career Pass Attempts (2010-, 634, 6th)
•Career Passing Yards (2010-, 4,413, 7th)
•Career Total Yards/Attempt (2010-, 6.40, 8th)
•Career Efficiency Rating (2010-, 132.7, 9th)
•Lowest Career Interception Percentage (2010-, 3.82, 10th)
Well...these stats certainly show he could never be a qb coach....
Ftr, I'm not opining on rees, the person or the coach, just the player. He did a lot more than a lot of players would have w/ what he had at his disposal, and he should be applauded for that. And I'm sure he's a great guy and I don't question his love for ND. I also think that he may be a good coach, but...
I understand that he has those records but stats really don't mean that much when u're talking about all time records. Do you really think that all the ND qbs that rees is ahead of recordbook-wise wouldn't have exceeded what rees did when he did it had they been in his place? What would hanratty, theisman, clements, Montana, buerlein, powlus, mcdougal, Jackson, Quinn and Clausen (& others before them) done to the ND record books had they played four years in today's game as rees did? He obviously made plays at times, but when our offense did sputter, it was largely due to the qb play. He wasn't a run threat, didn't posses a very strong arm at all & turned it over an inordinate amount of times. He was surrounded by great talent & an o-line that protected the qb better than any one year, and yet we still struggled mightily at times, and he had a penchant to make huge mistakes at crucial times. I, like all of you, watched all the games. That's what I saw. If you saw something different, we'll have to agree to disagree. But like I said, my opinion of him as a player has no bearing on whether I think he can be a good coach. I do believe he can be a good coach.
I understand that he has those records but stats really don't mean that much when u're talking about all time records. Do you really think that all the ND qbs that rees is ahead of recordbook-wise wouldn't have exceeded what rees did when he did it had they been in his place? What would hanratty, theisman, clements, Montana, buerlein, powlus, mcdougal, Jackson, Quinn and Clausen (& others before them) done to the ND record books had they played four years in today's game as rees did? He obviously made plays at times, but when our offense did sputter, it was largely due to the qb play. He wasn't a run threat, didn't posses a very strong arm at all & turned it over an inordinate amount of times. He was surrounded by great talent & an o-line that protected the qb better than any one year, and yet we still struggled mightily at times, and he had a penchant to make huge mistakes at crucial times. I, like all of you, watched all the games. That's what I saw. If you saw something different, we'll have to agree to disagree. But like I said, my opinion of him as a player has no bearing on whether I think he can be a good coach. I do believe he can be a good coach.
I don't have a problem with seeing that Rees "might" be a decent QB coach somewhere ... someday .... assuming he doesn't assault any more police officers .... LOL! .... but no way should he be handed this job with his little experience .... Rees' daddy is probably why he played at all at ND and probably why he is back now .... Kelly trying to grease his way into the NFL .... other teams are hiring big time coaches who can recruit and are attractive to recruits with tons of experience .... like Sanford
And he was god awful at ND.... all the Kelly Bashers who posted Kelly's way below avg record ... no major bowl wins .... god awful record against top 10 teams .... has a lot to do with Rees ... Rees put up big numbers solely based on longevity Kelly handed him so he could play behing great offensive line against mostly inferior opponents .... throwing to superior WR's .....
Sanford to this .... puke
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I don't qualify .... you have to be a Brey/Kelly lover ... old angry and dumb to be a member
I have no problem believing he could be a good QB coach one day .... highly unlikely he is ready for this stage .... and even if he was ... A BIG IF .... he has no recruiting cred .... Kelly is likely trying to grease his way to the NFL .... give favors to the kid hoping it will get him in good
I'm waiting for the 5 star Jurkovec to reopen his recruitment .... this move could cost us another 5 star QB
Sanford to this is flat out depressing
He padded his stats on a superior team against inferior opponents .... how many major bowl wins .... zero .... what was Kelly's record with him against top ten teams .... god awful
All Stats put up against highly inferior opponents .... ZERO major bowl wins ... you know ..... against the good teams .... god awful record againd top ten teams too
All Stats put up against highly inferior opponents .... ZERO major bowl wins ... you know ..... against the good teams .... god awful record againd top ten teams too
And your football coaching experience is at what level? Jr High school? Pop Warner? More than likely on a barstool at Chico's drowning some PBR's...the good thing is for you is Rees is just another thing to cry about. Now you have Brey, Kelly, Swarbick, and Rees. Life is good for the whiner...
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the is a big opportunity for TR! he is not to be faulted for 'accepting' the golden ticket!
I can see questioning the hire though. It is a matter of experience. And TR/Wim could not be more different in skills.
I can see questioning the hire though. It is a matter of experience. And TR/Wim could not be more different in skills.
So they don't t count then ?All Stats put up against highly inferior opponents .... ZERO major bowl wins ... you know ..... against the good teams .... god awful record againd top ten teams too
The only reason he played was because of his daddy!!! OMG...you must live in Retardville, USA. You must only say this shit on this website...no way you say this in real life...cuz somone would clean your clock. The only reason that the kid played at ND was because of his father. Because the head coach at ND is trying to "grease" his way into the NFL. So Kelly played Rees 5 years ago with the idea that 5-6 years from now he will use Rees's dad for a favor....Rees's father has that much pull that by giving the kid the QB coaching gig this will allow Rees's ole man to call some owner of a multi-million dollar company and that will get Kelly a job...HOLY SHIT!....irishxc was right...you are a major league lunatic. If this is the "dumbest board in all of sports" you are the dumbest poster on it....
I thought he played because.... Well the other QB's they didn't play, so?
But ND did get the ball back on offense quickly, because the other teams scored qwik n easily on the D.
TR's career is proof that stats do not always tell the true story.
Anyway, this year at ND will certainly help his resume and that is probably a large part of the reason he has the job. This is an incredibly huge break for him.
But ND did get the ball back on offense quickly, because the other teams scored qwik n easily on the D.
TR's career is proof that stats do not always tell the true story.
Anyway, this year at ND will certainly help his resume and that is probably a large part of the reason he has the job. This is an incredibly huge break for him.
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"Limited knowledge"??? "listen to his babble"? "Clown"?? Not words I'd use to describe Tommy, but maybe you're looking in the mirror........
I think Tom is going to make a great head coach someday and at the rate he's going it could be soon. Welcome back to ND Tommy. Loved watching you play and I am excited to see you pass your knowledge of the game on to our QB's. Have a great season!!
"Loved watching him play"? C'mon now guys, you can't be serious. I held my breath w/ each check, and re-check and re-check until we got a delay penalty or negative yardage or a turnover. A positive play warranted a sigh of relief. We endured a rollercoaster offense because of the qb play during his time. Did he maximize his talents? Maybe so, but his play was below what the ND qb standard should be, imo.
Honestly, I think you are both right. He had mollasses legs, concrete feet and could throw with authority for about 15 yards. Despite that, he read defenses beautifully, audibled a lot and threw for around 3000 yards. Rarely have I sipeen a player get more out of his limited skill set. I think he is perfect for the job and only lacks Resume. Conversely, who could Kelly hire that knows more about what he expects from a QB. There is no one.
Never said it was the ONLY reason .... Kelly has lots of poor reasoning for making poor decisions .... one right after the other .... and I understand how coaching trees work .... apparently you don't ... real shocker ... I know .... How can I be the dumbest when I KNOW Hawaii is part of the USA? ..... LOL!
Your undersatnding of the game begins and ends with a stat sheet with no ability to interpret what you see, how or why anything is the way it is
Please explain the good thing is for me ...???? ..... LOL!
Crying? .... you mean like you whining about me ..... oh sorry ... let me say it so you can understand .... you mean is like you is whining about me .... LOL!
So why not explain how the "coaching tree" works to all of us. Since all the people who don't agree with you on this site are considered blind, clueless, and stupid. I mean...if this is the dumbest board in all of sports we are gonna need some understanding of things. It's truly amazing what you have been able to learn about football and basketball...just by sitting your fat ass on a barstool all day. Here's hoping your explanation of the "coaching tree" is a bit better than your description of the only OB play ND has run for 17 years.....
If I submit an analysis will you print it and take it with you to show your imaginary staff? .... it is self explanatory to anyone with half a brain
BTW ... I saw the game today ....did you see the last possession .... game tied.... did you see the clear out with a high pick and roll .... How did I know that was coming? .... 17 years and counting .... they didn't even try to get the ball to their best option Beachem .... god forbid you call a TO and set something up .... the guys couldn't pull it out on their own today .... Brey is trash
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