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Golson5 said:
I don't think they care what Saban thinks at all
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I would strongly disagree with that

In fact, previously, you even disagreed with your current position, you cited Sabin and Myer, as being the gurus of football in the thread about who should rate the teams.

You’d have to be a fool to ignore Saban‘s evaluation of anything related to playing football as well as the evaluation of coaches who worked for him.
 
Patrish said:
I would strongly disagree with that

In fact, previously, you even disagreed with your current position, you cited Sabin and Myer, as being the gurus of football in the thread about who should rate the teams.

You’d have to be a fool to ignore Saban‘s evaluation of anything related to playing football as well as the evaluation of coaches who worked for him.
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The NFL and CFB are two different animals. Plus TR coached for the Browns this season. They shouldn't need Sabans input on how he will be as a coach in the league. They should have their own evaluation on him and shouldn't need Sabans
 
Golson5 said:
The NFL and CFB are two different animals. Plus TR coached for the Browns this season. They shouldn't need Sabans input on how he will be as a coach in the league. They should have their own evaluation on him and shouldn't need Sabans
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The issue isn’t whether they “need” Saban’s input, the issue is Saban’s experience, evaluation and insight in terms of Rees’s capabilities as a coach.

And the Browns “need” Saban’s evaluation, because he has the most experience working with Rees.

Who in the Browns organization has more personal experience with Rees and who in the Browns organization is better qualified to evaluate Rees ?
 
Patrish said:
The issue isn’t whether they “need” Saban’s input, the issue is Saban’s experience, evaluation and insight in terms of Rees’s capabilities as a coach.

And the Browns “need” Saban’s evaluation, because he has the most experience working with Rees.

Who in the Browns organization has more personal experience with Rees and who in the Browns organization is better qualified to evaluate Rees ?
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He doesn't have more experience with Rees. He was with Rees for 1 season. The Browns were with Rees for 1 season so you are wrong there clearly. If they wanted someone who has the most experience with Rees they would ask Kelly who has more experience than both of their 1 years sample size

But like I said, CFB and Pro football are 2 different things. They had him in the building for a year so they should be able to evaluate him on their own.
 
Golson5 said:
He doesn't have more experience with Rees. He was with Rees for 1 season. The Browns were with Rees for 1 season so you are wrong there clearly. If they wanted someone who has the most experience with Rees they would ask Kelly who has more experience than both of their 1 years sample size

But like I said, CFB and Pro football are 2 different things. They had him in the building for a year so they should be able to evaluate him on their own.
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Rees reported directly to Saban, who did Rees report to in Cleveland

Nick Saban was a head coach in the NFL, so he’s familiar with college football and NFL football
 
Patrish said:
Rees reported directly to Saban, who did Rees report to in Cleveland

Nick Saban was a head coach in the NFL, so he’s familiar with college football and NFL football
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It's okay to say you were misinformed. You thought Saban and Rees were together longer and they weren't. It happens.

Rees reported to Stefanski in Clevelnad who was the head coach and the man who hired him.
Saban hasn't coached in the NFL in 19 years and his last stop there didn't go well.
 
Golson5 said:
It's okay to say you were misinformed. You thought Saban and Rees were together longer and they weren't. It happens.

Rees reported to Stefanski in Clevelnad who was the head coach and the man who hired him.
Saban hasn't coached in the NFL in 19 years and his last stop there didn't go well.
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I didn’t think that Saban and Rees were together longer, that’s your mistake

Rees was the OC with Saban, so Saban has far more experience with Rees as an OC,
Whereas Cleveland has no experience with Rees as an OC.

When Saban coached Miami is irrelevant, he has direct experience at being a coach in the NFL,
 
Patrish said:
I didn’t think that Saban and Rees were together longer, that’s your mistake

Rees was the OC with Saban, so Saban has far more experience with Rees as an OC,
Whereas Cleveland has no experience with Rees as an OC.

When Saban coached Miami is irrelevant, he has direct experience at being a coach in the NFL,
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You were mistaken. It's okay. If they wanted someone with more knowledge of Rees than they should talk to Kelly. Even Freeman has more experience with Rees than Saban.

Yes he has direct experience in the NFL 19 years ago where he did a below average job in that NFL 19 years ago.
 
Golson5 said:
You were mistaken. It's okay. If they wanted someone with more knowledge of Rees than they should talk to Kelly. Even Freeman has more experience with Rees than Saban.

Yes he has direct experience in the NFL 19 years ago where he did a below average job in that NFL 19 years ago.
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Kelly wasn’t part of the conversation,
So stop trying to change the narrative
You said the Cleveland knew more than Saban about Rees as an OC.
Rees never served as OC in Cleveland
Rees served as OC under Saban
Ergo Saban has far more experience with Rees as OC then Cleveland
Ergo Cleveland should listen to Saban
 
Golson5 said:
You were mistaken. It's okay. If they wanted someone with more knowledge of Rees than they should talk to Kelly. Even Freeman has more experience with Rees than Saban.

Yes he has direct experience in the NFL 19 years ago where he did a below average job in that NFL 19 years ago.
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Because he had very little control in Miami
 
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Patrish said:
Kelly wasn’t part of the conversation,
So stop trying to change the narrative
You said the Cleveland knew more than Saban about Rees as an OC.
Rees never served as OC in Cleveland
Rees served as OC under Saban
Ergo Saban has far more experience with Rees as OC then Cleveland
Ergo Cleveland should listen to Saban
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Saban wasn't part of the conversation.
So stop trying to change the narrative.
You made him part of it.
I didn't say the Browns know more than Saban as an OC. Stop making things up
I said they know as much about Rees as Saban does. He coached for each 1 season.
And I added if you want to use that logic, they should talk to Kelly because he has the most experience with Rees.
You were misonformed. It's okay.
 
NFL OC at age 32. Promoted internally within one year.

Again. Not bad.
 
Golson5 said:
Excuses. Excuses. He passed on Brees. Don't try to change history.

He was below average in the NFL 19 years ago.
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It’s clear that you don’t understand the dynamics and complexities regarding the administrative/back office end of NFL teams
 
Golson5 said:
Saban wasn't part of the conversation.
So stop trying to change the narrative.
You made him part of it.
I didn't say the Browns know more than Saban as an OC. Stop making things up
I said they know as much about Rees as Saban does. He coached for each 1 season.
And I added if you want to use that logic, they should talk to Kelly because he has the most experience with Rees.
You were misonformed. It's okay.
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Saban was absolutely a part of the conversation

And the Browns don’t know as much about Rees as Saban when it comes to the OC position, in fact the Browns have absolutely no experience with Rees as an OC, whereas Saban has a significant amount of experience with Rees as an OC
 
Patrish said:
Saban was absolutely a part of the conversation

And the Browns don’t know as much about Rees as Saban when it comes to the OC position, in fact the Browns have absolutely no experience with Rees as an OC, whereas Saban has a significant amount of experience with Rees as an OC
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1 year in college. Not in the league. The Browns know more about Rees and the NFL than Saban does as he was the coach in the NFL with the Browns and never coached in the league with Saban.

Kelly and Freeman have more experience working with Rees as OC than Saban does
 
Golson5 said:
1 year in college. Not in the league. The Browns know more about Rees and the NFL than Saban does as he was the coach in the NFL with the Browns and never coached in the league with Saban.

Kelly and Freeman have more experience working with Rees as OC than Saban does
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Rees was a tight ends coach for 1 year with Cleveland

Rees was the OC with Saban

So who has more experience with Rees as the OC, Cleveland or Saban

Here’s what you said:


sjb75 said:
The Cleveland Browns do.
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I don't think they care what Saban thinks at all

So why wouldn’t Cleveland care about Saban’s opinion of Rees as an OC ?

Why would they want to ignore his opinion?
 
Patrish said:
Rees was a tight ends coach for 1 year with Cleveland

Rees was the OC with Saban

So who has more experience with Rees as the OC, Cleveland or Saban

Here’s what you said:



I don't think they care what Saban thinks at all

So why wouldn’t Cleveland care about Saban’s opinion of Rees as an OC ?

Why would they want to ignore his opinion?
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Because they have their own most recent experience in the league he will be coaching in. If they needed to talk to Saban they would have done it last year.

You made this about Saban, not me. You made it about a guy who hasn't coached in the NFL in 19 years and is a defensive expert much more than an offensive one. And by the way, Sabans offenses in the NFL ranked 16th and 29th
 
Golson5 said:
Because they have their own most recent experience in the league he will be coaching in. If they needed to talk to Saban they would have done it last year.

You made this about Saban, not me. You made it about a guy who hasn't coached in the NFL in 19 years and is a defensive expert much more than an offensive one. And by the way, Sabans offenses in the NFL ranked 16th and 29th
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How do you know that they haven’t talked to Saban ?
And it’s not about the league, it’s about Rees’s qualifications and abilities as an OC

No, you were the one who made it about Saban, you said that you didn’t think Cleveland cared about what Saban thinks. Why would they dismiss Saban’s input?

You keep trying to deflect the issue, which is typical of whenever you’re losing an argument.

It’s not about Saban’s tenure in Miami, it’s not about the NFL, it’s about Rees’s abilities as an OC
 
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I have zero knowledge of the NFL hiring process beyond what we read in various sports reporting venues; but, my impression is they don’t seek references or input from other coaches and organizations in the way references are sought in the typical private sector hiring process. The NFL coaching fraternity is a pretty small group, and they all seem to know one another, have worked together, or have opinions based of coach chatter. We’ve read for years that Rees is highly regarded among both college and NFL coaches going back to his days with the Chargers. I think OC hires are based on interviews where offensive philosophies are discussed in detail, and whether one’s personality and leadership style is a good fit, and overall personal familiarity or relationship. Rees represents ND exceptionally well and we benefit from a prior player and coach succeeding in the NFL. Reputation and relationships seem to drive the hiring process in this coaching fraternity.
 
and once again, you failed to answer my questions

Why wouldn’t Cleveland care about Saban’s opinion?,
Why would they ignore it?
 
Telx1 said:
I have zero knowledge of the NFL hiring process beyond what we read in various sports reporting venues; but, my impression is they don’t seek references or input from other coaches and organizations in the way references are sought in the typical private sector hiring process. The NFL coaching fraternity is a pretty small group, and they all seem to know one another, have worked together, or have opinions based of coach chatter. We’ve read for years that Rees is highly regarded among both college and NFL coaches going back to his days with the Chargers. I think OC hires are based on interviews where offensive philosophies are discussed in detail, and whether one’s personality and leadership style is a good fit, and overall personal familiarity or relationship. Rees represents ND exceptionally well and we benefit from a prior player and coach succeeding in the NFL. Reputation and relationships seem to drive the hiring process in this coaching fraternity.
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You’d be very surprised about how in the dark they are when it comes to hiring head coaches

6 out of 32 were fired this year, that’s pretty high turnover
Just look at what’s gone on in Chicago, New England, Dallas with coaches

A Head coach is the equivalent of a CEO and the transition from a lesser position to a head coach is a significant leap.

Complicating the selection of a coach is how involved will the front office be?
The owners, the GM, the president

Most people only see the iceberg tip
 
Hindsight. I agree. So, so easy to second guess NFL GM's. That said, the Chicago Bears should have chosen Jayden Daniels.

And Amon-Ra SB is really good.
 
I will be shocked if the entire Browns staff is not looking for new jobs next season. The Ravens, Steelers, Bengals, are all better plus they need a QB.
 
ndhuntington said:
I will be shocked if the entire Browns staff is not looking for new jobs next season. The Ravens, Steelers, Bengals, are all better plus they need a QB.
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Very interesting take.
Let’s talk hypothetical here. If the entire browns staff is fired after next season. Would golden be outta of a job again ? Would be something to think about if I was Al golden. Good point ndhuntington.
 
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THUNDERSTRUCK111 said:
Very interesting take.
Let’s talk hypothetical here. If the entire browns staff is fired after next season. Would golden be outta of a job again ? Would be something to think about if I was Al golden. Good point ndhuntington.
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Golden talking with Bengals, not Browns.
 
echowaker said:
Hardly failed. We should all have been so successful at such a young age both professionally and economically. He's been an OC and QB coach at ND and Alabama and now an OC in the NFL all by the ripe old age of 32. He had productive offenses at both schools. Failure indeed. Where do I sign up for such shame ?
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He’s being sarcastic
 
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