Tommy Rees
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Ohio states j t Barrett has accounted for 100 touchdowns in his college career. It would be fair to say that most of those came against inferior opponents. Are those " padded" stats also ?
The fact you have to ask is telling .... but IMO yes .... the Big 10 is mostly garbage
Tools or not he IS one of the top QBs in the ND record books. Give me a guy with heart and no tools over a guy with tools and no heart every day of the week.
jt Barrett is who u're comparing rees to? Just ftr, he's not that good either but he won big games unlike your buddy rees. Enough w/ the rees loving, it's ridiculous that we have to argue the fact. All that thought he was even average have low, low standards. Whatever his record was would've been much better w/ the talent surrounding him had he been any good. Playing and/or coaching doesn't give you any credibility if you're trying to convince anyone that rees was even average. He wasn't, and watching the games he played proves that. A 23-8 record w/ that team sucks, btw.
Truth hurts on occasion.I expect this type of opinion from someone who posts like you do .....
Comparing statistics as pertains to the discussion. Not my buddy as I be never met him. You are as entitled to your opinion as am I. At least I have hard facts supporting mine.
What hard facts? Stats? Rees has more ND records than Montana, correct? So w/ your "hard facts" approach to the discussion, he must've been better, correct?
I have hard facts too, echo. I watched the games, and he held that team back. If you don't think so, I urge you to rewatch the games.
I have hard facts too, echo. I watched the games, and he held that team back. If you don't think so, I urge you to rewatch the games.
Never said he was better than anyone based on statistics alone. Given the skill set and level of expectation entering Notre dame I d say he did more with less than many other players who did much less with more. Never said he was great but he was nowhere as bad as some portray him here.
You mean hard facts like zero major bowl wins and inability to beat top ten teams .... basically loses every time we play someone really good .... padding stats playing with all 4-5 star lineman against d-lines with 2-3 star players .... having 4 star WR going against 2-3 star db's
You mean stats like those ....
He certainly did more with less .... based solely on the fact that a guy with so little ability got to play for such a good team would support that ... but that is only because the coach was an idiot
Be glad to debate you anytime on any football related subject you choose. For me that would be like fishing at Sea World or hunting at the zoo. Very little if any challenge.
Let's see ... Tommy Rees was a good QB ... Brian Kelly is a good coach .... oh yeah .... you really know what you're talking about
Any football related matter? ... earth to idiot ... that's what we are doing now .... and you are showing your worth ... clearly ... or should I say lack of worth
All supported by facts. Yes Rees was an above average qb in his time. Yes Brian Kelly is a good coach. One losing season at nd doesn't t change that. I like facts not opinion.Let's see ... Tommy Rees was a good QB ... Brian Kelly is a good coach .... oh yeah .... you really know what you're talking about
My facts are the games themselves. Watch them again and you'll see what I mean. Ur "facts" are stats. U're a typical coach. Stat geek. I will put my football knowledge up against you any day of the week, btw. Anyone that thinks rees was an above average qb either has very low standards, doesn't know shit about the qb position or is his buddy. U said u don't know him, so take your pick.
You call them facts when they are actually stats .... stats don't tell all the facts .... like the difference between a QB who gets credited for an int when he hit the receiver in the hands and it when thru his hands bounced off a player and was caught by a db ... vs. .... throwing an int because the ball was so poorly underthrown .... or getting credit for a TD by throwing a perfect strike down the sideline to a wr on a go route ... vs. ... getting credit for a TD by throwing a jump ball .... underthrown .... to Michael Floyd who just goes up and gets it
Stats vs. facts ..... you call yourself a coach? .... there is more than one fraud in the clown show
You clearly dodged the question. Do you completely disregard statistics altogether ?
Stats are facts. Of course there are variables. A qb gets credit for an 80 yd TD pass on a screen. Nothing is absolute. They are an indicator of performance.
Please enlighten me on your football pedigree. I ll take mine against almost anyone. I know plenty about qb play. Rees was productive in his time at Notre dame. He helped his team win a lot of games and he was a contributor in some of their losses also. Its the ultimate team game. He got the most out of his limited ability. What more did you want from him ?
I did not see the game yesterday. Didn't need to. Had the shot gone in it was the players winning despite the coach. The fact that it didn't allows you to blame Brey. He was screwed no matter what. I wouldn't call TO either....the fact that you would makes me know I am correct!
Me and my imaginary staff have work every Saturday afternoon as well as Wednesday nites. In fact I just came from my imaginary gym with my imaginary team and I had to meet with my imaginary trainer who told me one of my imaginary players has to go thru concussion protocol.
So why don't you explain this awesome play that you would have drawn up to win yesterdays game...just like the ob play that you can't describe...just like that zone offense you couldn't describe...just like the coaching tree thing you can't describe...
BTW...I did catch the end of the Villanova/UVA game...no time-out...run your offense( HIGH- SCREEN AND ROLL) and get a tip-in to win at the buzzer. So Jay Wright doesn't call time-out...I guess he is trash as well.
You have no credibility if you think Kelly is a good coach. Good coaches dont go 4-8 after 7 seasons on the job. Good coaches dont blame everyone but themselves for their failures.
U're about as arrogant a fan as there is on this board. No one has as much football knowledge as the great and powerful echo. Give me a break. But just ftr, my grandfather played for Rockne for one year before returning home to play for the first univ of Miami (fla) football team and threw the first td in Miami history, then caught the extra point. My father played for Miami in the early 50s. My brother was a backup qb at ND in the late 70s and bounced around 4 or 5 pro teams (patriots, Chicago blitz, Washington federals, Dallas wranglers semi pro team & the dolphins). My other brother played corner at Columbia university. I was an all state qb in Florida and was dade county player of the year in '85 and played qb & wr at bucknell. After college I was the OC at my high school for two years and covered high school games for the Miami herald for two years until I started my own business. So I know that I don't have a leg to stand on against you and all your infinite football wisdom but I think I can hold my own. Although I question your self proclaimed knowledge based on your assessment of rees. And btw, you don't need any of that "pedigree" you asked me for to know that rees held that team back.
So you are saying that you watched a game where someone had to go thru concussion protocol .... that story is really hard to make up ....
Because someone else runs a clear out doesn't excuse Brey for running only that one play for 17 years .... how stupid ... "I saw another team run it and they won so there".... ??? ... it is clear why you don't know what country Hawaii belongs to ... bad liar ... no class .... angry ... the hits just keep on coming
Missed the game ... there is always an excuse for going absent after a loss .... at least a family member didn't almost die ... again ..
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Variables ... you clearly don't know the difference ... and then choose to acknowledge only "stats" that support your incredibly weak argument
Rees was garbage ... if he had to play behind the same o-lines Quinn and Clausen did their 1st year and 2nd years he never would've survived his first year .... those two took big boy beatings and they had mobility
Tell us Rees was better than those 2 ....
Sometimes no .... sometimes yes ... this is way beyond your undestanding to see how football success happens on the field
I didn't see last nites game either asshole...know why? Because I had practice...I know you don't know what practice is seeing you and your U12 girls just show up on Sundays for the game...but at the college level we have what is known as semester break...and our students started classes yesterday and I the women had the 5-7 practice slot....as far as the concussion deal one of my players got dinged on Saturday...you do know that many colleges play games on Saturday. I believe I asked for the awesome play you were gonna run at the end of the game....and of course you back-pedal and bring up some shit no one knows what the f..k you are talking about....someone has a family member die...chseahawk26...and you make fun of it? You truly are a piece of rat filth...
Please explain how he "held the team back" -- against Purdue in 2012 when he filled for EG and drove the team to a winning FG? When he filled for an injured EG against Stanford and helped win the game? Against Michigan in 2011 when he drove the field to hit an apparent game winning TD with 30 seconds left, only to have the defense leave 1/2 a filed open? Against USC in 2011 when he (and Crist) were driving for a game tying TD, only to have the other QB (Crist) fumble the snap and SC takes it to the house and completely turn the game loose?
Was he the most athletic? Absolutely not! Did he have the strongest arm -- hell no. Did he make some dumb ass throws -- what QB does not?
But what he did do was be a coach on the field and in more cases than not -- put the offense in the right position. Outside of 2012, there were many other factors in 2011 and 2013 that caused the records ND had. The kid is very smart "football wise" beyond what a typical kid who has played the amount of games he has played.
I never said he didn't make any plays. If you play the qb position for as long as he did at ND, you'll make plays. But even the games u cited, we were either awful for stretches and/or played against inept defenses like Michigan that year. And, against Michigan that year, he inexplicable dropped the ball on one play and had multiple turnovers that put us in the hole we were in to begin w/. We were awful on offense in the Stanford game and iirc, crist was the catalyst on that drive until the fumbled snap. You can prop his play up all you want, I watched, and saw that he held that team back. If u don't agree, we'll agree to disagree.
And if by "coach on the field" you meant a coach that loves to turn the ball over, you'd be right. All of his checks didn't pan out the way you imply either. We struggled against good defenses. If you don't think so, watch the games again.
Trust me ... whatever I run is more complicated then your high pick and roll clear out ... apparently you think diagramming a play is rocket science .... we get it .. any play you call should depend on matchups ... time left .... and who you want to shoot/be 1st option ... meaning you should have more than one option ... time permitting .... not 17 years of give one guy the ball and everyone get out of the way and cross your fingers ..... FOR 17 YEARS STRAIGHT .... this is obviously wayyyyy over your head ...
Hey you used the term practice slot .... sounds soooo believable when you use such technical terms .... LOL! ..... and all the name calling .... tsk tsk tsk ..... the dumb angry guy is losing again ... funny how you never see the losses ....
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