How are you ranked ahead of Northwestern?

[IrishBlooded]

@shakes3858 after the Stanford game

@shakes3858 after the Iowa game

So now he is on the ND board. Because his panties are in his butt and he realizes no one cares about his little school in a conference of big state owned institutions. So all he has is trying to pick a fight on a message board.

Enjoy the 'who cares who sponsored this bowl' game that NW gets this year.

 

[shakes3858]

The Citadel Beat South Carolina...... And South Carolina beat UNC. Should the Citadel be ranked ahead of the Tar Heels?

No because UNC is 11-1 and the Citadel is 9-3 overall and 1-1 in FBS games. Both Notre Dame and Northwestern are 10-2. The common opponent is the way to break the tie.

 

[shakes3858]

@shakes3858 after the Stanford game

@shakes3858 after the Iowa game

So now he is on the ND board. Because his panties are in his butt and he realizes no one cares about his little school in a conference of big state owned institutions. So all he has is trying to pick a fight on a message board.

Enjoy the 'who cares who sponsored this bowl' game that NW gets this year.

This is pornographic among other things. Seriously, does anyone monitor this board.

 

[Irish Grandeur]

I'm not flaming. I'm asking a legitimate question about Notre Dame football. How is it possible that you're ahead of Northwestern when the common opponent test implicates that Northwestern is a better team.

Not only are you not the better team over ND but not better than Stanford. NU got curb-stomped by Iowa and UM - that would not happen to either ND or Stanford and the playoff committee knows it. NU was lucky to win against Stanford just like Texas was lucky to beat Oklahoma. Props on a good season for you guys but your team is nowhere near ND this year.

 

[nemeth#5]

If Northwestern were to play either ND, FSU, or any of the other top teams you are crying about..... who do you honestly think would win? They would be at a minimum 7 point dogs in any match-up. I do not expect you to answer this directly, I assume you will avoid the direct question, but I thought I wold ask it anyway.

Also, I have never understood what would drive someone to another message board to purposely fire people up? Do you get enjoyment out of it? Boredom? Help me understand.

 

[mokpra37]

The problem Northwestern and all other BIG teams in the western division have is that their division is, hands down, the worst division in any of the Power5 conferences. That is why Iowa was the last unbeaten added to the top 4. I hope that helps you figure out the answer to your original question.

 

[BDIrish]

We beat you last year.
We beat Stanford this year and completely dominated them
Your best wins are Navy, USC, and Temple.
We play in the best conference in the country.
You lose to Stanford.
We have the same record.

Isn't the team that beat Stanford better than the team that lost to Stanford?

Because the Big 10 is a joke!! Even Iowa is a joke. The lose 5 games in the SEC

 

[shakes3858]

If Northwestern were to play either ND, FSU, or any of the other top teams you are crying about..... who do you honestly think would win? They would be at a minimum 7 point dogs in any match-up. I do not expect you to answer this directly, I assume you will avoid the direct question, but I thought I wold ask it anyway.

Also, I have never understood what would drive someone to another message board to purposely fire people up? Do you get enjoyment out of it? Boredom? Help me understand.

I think Northwestern would win. Our defense is absolutely dominant with 6 all-conference players. The Northwestern offense is weak, but it has an effective running game with a great back in Justin Jackson. It compliments the defense really well and gets us out of the game with a win.

Here's some samples of our defense: Stanford averages 36.9 ppg. Against NU 6. Duke averages 30.5 ppg against NU 10 and their TD was after Duke returned an INT to the 26 yard line. Wisconsin averages 27.1 ppg against NU 7.

 

[BDIrish]

Can't do that either. However, if Stanford wins the PAC 12 Championship, they're in the New Years 6 so that doesn't matter as much. It's Notre Dame, Baylor, Florida State that I think we should be above.

The Citadel Should be ranked ahead of FSU because The Citadel beat South Carolina, who beat NC who beat GT who beat FSU!! Very simple

 

[DieHard_Irish]

Here's a good post with at least some good content... but the problem is you lost to all the good teams that you played (Clemson and Stanford). You beat some above average teams (Navy, Temple, USC). And then you beat some ACC bottom feeders. Sorry, but NU beat Stanford, ND lost to Stanford. This is the playoff committees rules:

• Head-to-head competition (if it occurred)
• Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory)

Take it up with the committee then

 

[shakes3858]

The problem Northwestern and all other BIG teams in the western division have is that their division is, hands down, the worst division in any of the Power5 conferences. That is why Iowa was the last unbeaten added to the top 4. I hope that helps you figure out the answer to your original question.

Yeah, the ACC is the worst. Clemson is the only good team in the whole league. The SEC East is terrible too. I mean Florida is the winner of that division.

 

[shakes3858]

The Citadel Should be ranked ahead of FSU because The Citadel beat South Carolina, who beat NC who beat GT who beat FSU!! Very simple

I addressed this already: No because UNC is 11-1 and the Citadel is 9-3 overall and 1-1 in FBS games. Both Notre Dame and Northwestern are 10-2. The common opponent is the way to break the tie.

 

[shakes3858]

Take it up with the committee then

They won't return my calls. You guys answer. Foolishly answer, but hey it's at least conversation.

 

[IrishBlooded]

I can tell you why ND is ranked higher. But it is more fun to watch you try to troll it out.

ND in every index is ranked high than NW, because the SoS and the opponents played for NW sucks. In the composite rankings (massey) they have NW at 22nd, with ND at 8th, (the second highest ranked 2 loss team behind Stanford who they have at 6).

With NW the problem is the drag on a soft schedule. They dodged Ohio State, and MSU in the cross division play, and beat a 3-9 MAC team by 5 at home (Ball St.). Both of their losses were by at least 30 points. And their overall SoS is a 44. Pretty middle of the road.

When you look at the numbers for NW with the exception of a big week 1 win (which never really helps that much) there isn't anything exciting to look at. The best win on the NW schedule is a win over 9-3 Wisky that lost every big game they were in (Bama, Iowa, NW) both at home). And NW won that by 6 points.

NW by the numbers this year

 

[Irish Grandeur]

The Citadel Should be ranked ahead of FSU because The Citadel beat South Carolina, who beat NC who beat GT who beat FSU!! Very simple

Exactly! And, Texas should be in the playoffs because they beat OU which would also rank ND ahead of them. Oh yeah, Memphis should jump Bama for beating Ole Miss and Navy should jump Memphis...wait a second, now we're gonna have to make a 64-team playoff.

 

[NDSMC78]

No because UNC is 11-1 and the Citadel is 9-3 overall and 1-1 in FBS games. Both Notre Dame and Northwestern are 10-2. The common opponent is the way to break the tie.

No, there is no tie. Two teams with 10-2 records does not mean that there is a "tie." A lot of other things go into consideration. You know that very well, but you are feigning ignorance. As I stated earlier, you are a liar.

 

[shakes3858]

I can tell you why ND is ranked higher. But it is more fun to watch you try to troll it out.

ND in every index is ranked high than NW, because the SoS and the opponents played for NW sucks. In the composite rankings (massey) they have NW at 22nd, with ND at 8th, (the second highest ranked 2 loss team behind Stanford who they have at 6).

With NW the problem is the drag on a soft schedule. They dodged Ohio State, and MSU in the cross division play, and beat a 3-9 MAC team by 5 at home (Ball St.). Both of their losses were by at least 30 points. And their overall SoS is a 44. Pretty middle of the road.

When you look at the numbers for NW with the exception of a big week 1 win (which never really helps that much) there isn't anything exciting to look at. The best win on the NW schedule is a win over 9-3 Wisky that lost every big game they were in (Bama, Iowa, NW) both at home). And NW won that by 6 points.

NW by the numbers this year

So Wisconsin is bad for losing all the big games they were in, but Notre Dame is good despite losing all the big games they were in (Stanford Clemson). Northwestern had a quality schedule with the exception of EIU and Ball State. We did dodge Ohio State and MSU, but we did play Penn State and Michigan. Both are pretty good teams. I mean Michigan/Michigan State was essentially a draw.

 

[nemeth#5]

I think Northwestern would win. Our defense is absolutely dominant with 6 all-conference players. The Northwestern offense is weak, but it has an effective running game with a great back in Justin Jackson. It compliments the defense really well and gets us out of the game with a win.

Here's some samples of our defense: Stanford averages 36.9 ppg. Against NU 6. Duke averages 30.5 ppg against NU 10 and their TD was after Duke returned an INT to the 26 yard line. Wisconsin averages 27.1 ppg against NU 7.

I see you left out a few games?

Michigan beat your 38-0? Man that's a whooping! Oh they average 31 a game.

Iowa Beat you 40-10? That is better than 38-0....but thats about the only positive that can come from that. Oh they average 33 a game.

 

[JCHERIAT]

Don't you have any friends you can talk to about this. Big 10 sucks. You got Stanford the first game of the season at home for a 12:00 game. It is difficult for west coast teams to play east coast that early. You play Stanford now the game would not even be close.

 

[IrishBlooded]

So Wisconsin is bad for losing all the big games they were in, but Notre Dame is good despite losing all the big games they were in (Stanford Clemson). Northwestern had a quality schedule with the exception of EIU and Ball State. We did dodge Ohio State and MSU, but we did play Penn State and Michigan. Both are pretty good teams. I mean Michigan/Michigan State was essentially a draw.

Let's go to the numbers again. Wisky finished their season 9-3. The list of ranked opponents at the end of the season they defeated: 0. Their wins and I'm not being funny here. They don't have a single win over a team with a winning record. I'm not joking. Not a single opponent Wisky defeated this year, will be able to go to a bowl. Their 'Best' win is against either 5-7 Nebraska, 5-7 Illinois, or 5-7 Minnesota. Take your pick. Their opponents combined record for the season: is 66-78. And 3 of those opponents account for 33 of those wins. (NW, Iowa, Bama)

So what were you saying about Wisky and their record?

LINK

 

[shakes3858]

No, there is no tie. Two teams with 10-2 records does not mean that there is a "tie." A lot of other things go into consideration. You know that very well, but you are feigning ignorance. As I stated earlier, you are a liar.

Yes, other things go into consideration... like results vs common opponents which is part of the committees mandate. Strength of schedule goes into consideration too. Notre Dame has a higher strength of schedule. I don't really see how. I your AAC wins over Temple and Navy gets too much credit. Navy isn't good, they just piled up victories over the Tulane, Tulsa, SMU... Temple had an early win over Penn State, but really isn't that good. Penn State foolishly allowed Hackenberg to stand in the pocket all day. And our FCS win=your UMass win, but Umass gives you more scheduling points than EIU even though EIU beats UMass head to head.

 

[wicker]

Even if NU was ranked above ND it'd not influence their bowl destination. You should call the Fiesta Bowl people and tell em you want this matchup to settle this argument. Promise to buy more tickets than the OSU people will

 

[NDSMC78]

So Wisconsin is bad for losing all the big games they were in, but Notre Dame is good despite losing all the big games they were in (Stanford Clemson). Northwestern had a quality schedule with the exception of EIU and Ball State. We did dodge Ohio State and MSU, but we did play Penn State and Michigan. Both are pretty good teams. I mean Michigan/Michigan State was essentially a draw.

Yes, other things go into consideration... like results vs common opponents which is part of the committees mandate. Strength of schedule goes into consideration too. Notre Dame has a higher strength of schedule. I don't really see how. I your AAC wins over Temple and Navy gets too much credit. Navy isn't good, they just piled up victories over the Tulane, Tulsa, SMU... Temple had an early win over Penn State, but really isn't that good. Penn State foolishly allowed Hackenberg to stand in the pocket all day. And our FCS win=your UMass win, but Umass gives you more scheduling points than EIU even though EIU beats UMass head to head.

No one really cares if you don't really see how. All the voters see how. I'm done with your idiocy and trolling. I've got more more important things to do than attempt to deal with your insecurities.

 

[shakes3858]

I see you left out a few games?

Michigan beat your 38-0? Man that's a whooping! Oh they average 31 a game.

Iowa Beat you 40-10? That is better than 38-0....but thats about the only positive that can come from that. Oh they average 33 a game.

We gave up the opening kickoff against Michigan and a pick 6. At the end of the game, they pulled the starting defense and had the 2nd-3rd string finish up the game. The starting defense only gave up 17 points. The offense backed the defense up all game against Iowa with 3 turnovers, bad punts, 3 and outs... Defense admittedly didn't put forth their best effort in the 2nd half against Iowa.

 

[shakes3858]

Let's go to the numbers again. Wisky finished their season 9-3. The list of ranked opponents at the end of the season they defeated: 0. Their wins and I'm not being funny here. They don't have a single win over a team with a winning record. I'm not joking. Not a single opponent Wisky defeated this year, will be able to go to a bowl. Their 'Best' win is against either 5-7 Nebraska, 5-7 Illinois, or 5-7 Minnesota. Take your pick. Their opponents combined record for the season: is 66-78. And 3 of those opponents account for 33 of those wins. (NW, Iowa, Bama)

So what were you saying about Wisky and their record?

LINK

Actually, Nebraska is going bowling. I believe Minnesota is too. Illinois is undecided last time I heard.

 

[shakes3858]

No one really cares if you don't really see how. All the voters see how. I'm done with your idiocy and trolling. I've got more more important things to do than attempt to deal with your insecurities.

Cool beans Hansel. BYE!!!!!

 

[nemeth#5]

Actually, Nebraska is going bowling. I believe Minnesota is too. Illinois is undecided last time I heard.

Big Ten will be the first conference ever to have 3 5-7 teams in a bowl game........That is pretty neat.

38-0
40-10
Those two scores should be all you need to answer your original question. If ND had been beaten that bad by any two teams they have played, they wouldn't be in the top ten.

 

[shakes3858]

Big Ten will be the first conference ever to have 3 5-7 teams in a bowl game........That is pretty neat.

38-0
40-10
Those two scores should be all you need to answer your original question. If ND had been beaten that bad by any two teams they have played, they wouldn't be in the top ten.

I know you want margin of victory and defeat to count, but it doesn't. What's supposed to matter by mandate is

Record
Championships won
Strength of schedule
Head to head match up
Results vs common opponents

 

[Irish Grandeur]

We gave up the opening kickoff against Michigan and a pick 6. At the end of the game, they pulled the starting defense and had the 2nd-3rd string finish up the game. The starting defense only gave up 17 points. The offense backed the defense up all game against Iowa with 3 turnovers, bad punts, 3 and outs... Defense admittedly didn't put forth their best effort in the 2nd half against Iowa.

Y'all got biatch slapped in your losses...ND lost on the final play of both games (both top 10 teams) - no comparison. Keep pretending you are ignorant of how teams get ranked and go to the Texas board and start a thread asking how OU is ranked above them.

 

[IrishBlooded]

Actually, Nebraska is going bowling. I believe Minnesota is too. Illinois is undecided last time I heard.

If they go, it will be due to an NCAA exemption because there are so many schools with losing records that the NCAA can't seat enough 6-6 teams. At least when ND was in that position. They turned down a bowl. Because they knew they didn't belong in one. The same thing Mizzou did earlier this week. Because they knew they don't belong there.

Nice deflection about how bad Wisky is, even though they have a 9-3 record though.

NW is ranked lower because they aren't considered as quality of a team. Losing is losing. But I would rather say 'ND lost by 2 in a hurricane on the road with a freshman QB making his first road start against the number 1 team in the nation', than say 'NW got blasted by 30 at home against 4th ranked Iowa' or 'NW got blanked 38-0 at Michigan, in a game that could have been even further away if Harbaugh didn't call off the dogs.'

You can hang your hat on Stanford all you want. But week 1 wins don't mean much. Because both teams are generally as healthy as they are going to be, and they both had 9 months to scheme. And then they always just come out rusty and play the exact kind of game you expect. Sloppy first game of the year ball. Same reason that Oklahoma was put ahead of ND before ND lost to Stanford even though they had the heads up win over Texas. It is because ND played Texas in week 1. And Week 1 losses count. Week 1 wins, rarely do.

 

[shakes3858]

Y'all got biatch slapped in your losses...ND lost on the final play of both games (both top 10 teams) - no comparison. Keep pretending you are ignorant of how teams get ranked and go to the Texas board and start a thread asking how OU is ranked above them.

OU has a better record than Texas. Record matters.

 

[Irish Grandeur]

OU has a better record than Texas. Record matters.

Wait a second, isn't this thread about quasi head-to-head match-ups involving three teams? Oh, I get it - you only want to do that to support your point of view and ignore it across the CFB landscape. Do you always make up the rules of the game as it goes along?

 

[shakes3858]

If they go, it will be due to an NCAA exemption because there are so many schools with losing records that the NCAA can't seat enough 6-6 teams. At least when ND was in that position. They turned down a bowl. Because they knew they didn't belong in one. The same thing Mizzou did earlier this week. Because they knew they don't belong there.

Nice deflection about how bad Wisky is, even though they have a 9-3 record though.

NW is ranked lower because they aren't considered as quality of a team. Losing is losing. But I would rather say 'ND lost by 2 in a hurricane on the road with a freshman QB making his first road start against the number 1 team in the nation', than say 'NW got blasted by 30 at home against 4th ranked Iowa' or 'NW got blanked 38-0 at Michigan, in a game that could have been even further away if Harbaugh didn't call off the dogs.'

You can hang your hat on Stanford all you want. But week 1 wins don't mean much. Because both teams are generally as healthy as they are going to be, and they both had 9 months to scheme. And then they always just come out rusty and play the exact kind of game you expect. Sloppy first game of the year ball. Same reason that Oklahoma was put ahead of ND before ND lost to Stanford even though they had the heads up win over Texas. It is because ND played Texas in week 1. And Week 1 losses count. Week 1 wins, rarely do.

1. I know it's totally embarrassing for Nebraska, Minnesota and Illinois. I love it.
2. I hope you see Wisky in the pinstripe bowl or something. They'll surprise you.
3. Harbaugh didn't call of the dogs. Does it really seem like a Harbaugh thing to do to call off the dogs? I mean he did take a knee at the end of the game, but that was it. They were blitzing all day. Northwestern is a front runner. We don't play from behind very well. When we got behind against Iowa and Michigan, we had to pass the ball, run a 2 minute offense and it was disaster. Not making excuses, we lost the game. Would it have been better to play a ball control offense and limit the damage rather than trying to win? We tried to win, and it spiraled out of control
4. Weather, time of day, and timing of win are the reasons you're a head of us. Doesn't sound like that's in the committees mandate. Record, championships won, strength of schedule, head to head. Not time of win, time of day or weather excuses.

 

[Irish Grandeur]

ND's two losses - 62-58 to the nr. 1 and 7 teams.
NU's two losses - 78-10 to the nr. 4 and 15 teams.

How is NU ranked above UM - that is my question.

 

[shakes3858]

ND's two losses - 62-58 to the nr. 1 and 7 teams.
NU's two losses - 78-10 to the nr. 4 and 15 teams.

How is NU ranked above UM - that is my question.

You're going with quality of loss? I like quality of wins. Your best win 8-4 USC or 10-2 Temple. Our best win 10-2 Stanford.

We're ahead of UM because they lost 3 times while we lost 2 times. 10-2 is better than 9-3.

 

[Irish Grandeur]

You're going with quality of loss? I like quality of wins. Your best win 8-4 USC or 10-2 Temple. Our best win 10-2 Stanford.

We're ahead of UM because they lost 3 times while we lost 2 times. 10-2 is better than 9-3.

Listen, and listen very closely - your team is not as good as ND or Stanford for that matter. You got embarrassed in your two losses - ND could have won on the last play of their two losses. I like the B1G and hope you guys do well in post season. But, your argument is not a worthy one.

 

[echowaker]

Yeah, the ACC is the worst. Clemson is the only good team in the whole league. The SEC East is terrible too. I mean Florida is the winner of that division.

and florida would be favored against everyone in your division on a neutral field. maybe a push with iowa.

 

[Syd4ND]

We beat you last year.
We beat Stanford this year and completely dominated them
Your best wins are Navy, USC, and Temple.
We play in the best conference in the country.
You lose to Stanford.
We have the same record.

Isn't the team that beat Stanford better than the team that lost to Stanford?

Good luck beating Stanford week 12 at their place at night. You guys got them at 8 AM PT. They had issues with their plane so got in late. It was the first game of the season. SC would hang 50 on you BTW. And since we are playing the score comparison BS game. Iowa needed a 57 yard FG to beat Pitt. How'd that Iowa game turn out for Northwestern?

 

[Syd4ND]

I have a great idea, ND needs a 13th game every year at the end of the season to help their chances at making the playoff. Why don't you call your AD and good old Pat F. See if they can set it up for 2016 and beyond. Only problem is 9 times out of 10 you will be hovering around .500 so don't think it will do much to help ND's cause.

 

[shakes3858]

Good luck beating Stanford week 12 at their place at night. You guys got them at 8 AM PT. They had issues with their plane so got in late. It was the first game of the season. SC would hang 50 on you BTW. And since we are playing the score comparison BS game. Iowa needed a 57 yard FG to beat Pitt. How'd that Iowa game turn out for Northwestern?

Stanford actually got in Thursday so they could adjust to the time difference. They weren't in school yet so this could happen without an issue with their academics. Any more stuff you just want to make up?

and florida would be favored against everyone in your division on a neutral field. maybe a push with iowa.

Wrong. Florida couldn't score on Vanderbilt. You think they'd handle the #1 scoring defense in the country? Any more stuff you'd like to make up?

Listen, and listen very closely - your team is not as good as ND or Stanford for that matter. You got embarrassed in your two losses - ND could have won on the last play of their two losses. I like the B1G and hope you guys do well in post season. But, your argument is not a worthy one.

Oh ok. If you say ND and Stanford is better, than they must be. Let's not go off of results on the field. Let's just say Notre Dame is better. My argument is we beat Stanford, you lost to Stanford. Your argument (and everyone on the board) is Notre Dame is better because no reason other than we are and the committee says so.