Why bother? If ND wins he'll tell you they still aren't the best team and they aren't elite because they lack 5 star talent. If ND loses he'll say he told you so and it's same old same old. Just ignore the fool.
How are we feeling about Ohio State game?
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If ND wins they are the national champions regardless.
But if they win, it doesnt mean that OSU wouldnt beat them the next 4 times (and win 4 of 5) in a series of hypothetical rematches.
What would change where ND stands in the hierarchy of college football is if they beat OSU and won a national title, and then flipped several of OSUs', Oregons', Georgias', Bamas', Texas', etc. eventual top 100 recruits/signings in the '26 class.
I would be elated for a national title championship victory but I want to be the next prime Georgia, prime Clemson, prime Alabama (with multiple NCs or at least a legit chance to win one any given year) not Auburn where they lucked into one and then became entirely irrelevant at the highest level of college football since.
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Thankfully we won't have to do that. We just beat them the one time. And then like you say, we're champs!
Don't you get it: The chance of Notre Dame beating this OSU team is so small as a result of their talent advantage. That's the whole point I'm trying to make in my previous post.
Why won't people concede the simple fact that Notre Dame is in a huge hole as a result of getting their asses kicked on the recruiting trail by OSU over the last several years? How am I supposed to give any of your other points the benefit of the doubt or take your analysis of the situation seriously if you can't concede at least this one simple/obvious point?
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It sounds like you'd rather us have more 5 stars than them than actually win the game. That's a strange perspective dude.
Having more five-star talent is more correlative to winning games in the future than wins themselves are.
In this particular case with a national title championship on the line I would rather take the win no doubt about it, but this doesn't lessen or take away from the fact that Notre Dame needs to neutralize the recruiting / talent advantage that other programs have over them (and in the case of OSU by a wide margin)
No, I guess I missed that, must have been lost in translation. In any case, we're still going to play the game, and it will just be the one game. Lucky for ND, eh? Only a 20% chance at that, and think if we had to play them five times. Holy shit....
He's too immature or mentally challenged to
understand that these HS recruits are coached and developed, and some 3 and 4 stars out of HS develop into 5 star athletes. While many 5 star athletes also never develop or live up to their 5 star rating coming out of HS.
If OSU is far more talented than ND how is it they lost to a soft Oregon team and a 6-6 Michigan team?
He seems OCD about it. Nothing wrong with that, but it would explain it.
In isolated situations there's definitely more variance in the results of how recruits perform but on aggregate when comparing 85 man rosters entirely/holistically it's scary accurate
I'm not OCD about it I'm just in shock that something so intuitively obvious is so hard for many to see
Like him or not, Reily Leonard was one of the top portal transfers this past year. Guy lead Duke to a win over Clemson and almost beat us.
I read enough sports outlets and see this theme a lot.
Just googled. This one came up.
https://athlonsports.com/college/or...tdown-social-media-ponders-a-bizarre-question
"No natties."
"Not a blueblood."
"Can't handle a physical team in a Big Game."
Pretty routine stuff. Surprised you think it's a surprise.
all of those same systems/people who have accurately predicted every week correctly of the playoffs have OSU up big against Notre Dame as well.
The question is why that is?
It's clear what my explanation is. What is your explanation? What evidence are these pundits and these systems like Vegas and F+ seeing that has Notre Dame as big underdogs versus OSU?
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I disagree, in part. If we lose but play a strong competitive game, the narrative will still be overall positive about the program and Freeman. You can’t ignore our beating Penn St and Georgia…two big bowl games against quality opponents. If we get blown out, then I agree we’ll see a lot of the traditional ND hater crap that will somehow blame the playoff structure for us being in the game. Anxious and nervous as hell, and worry about the cumulative affect of all our damn injuries, but proud beyond words of what this team and this staff accomplished to get here. And nothing will detract from that. Go Irish ☘️
If we weren't an injured and beat up football team, the sperad would be about 3 points or so.
We have a lot of talent that it's not playing or that is playing but not fully healthy (Love, Spindler, Collins, Cross, KVA)
It's very simple
You had to Google it to find it, so that doesn’t sound very routine to me
You didn’t answer my question
Who would be ranked ahead of us?
So are we just supposed to ignore all of OSUs injuries and the fact that they've played 15 games too?
I didn't mention how many games either team played. And we have many more injuries than they do
Haha wild, this ONE being the natty and 3 playoff wins to get there. Yes it’s validation and means a lot in the big picture- even if ND loses, a lot of those concerns are put to bed (beating the SEC champ)
OSUs original starting OL has been banged up all season with at least two starters out for the NC game and they also have another 5 guys who started the season on the 2 deep questionable or limited for the NC game.
No doubt Notre Dame is more banged up than OSU is. But even if both of these rosters were at 100% full strength, OSU would still be the favorite in the game (both because of their superior production throughout the season and their significantly greater 85 man roster overall)
Sounds like last years national champ (sans cheating) and the .500 team that beat OSU this year.
under a rare/historic/HoF head coach. The other 90% of national champions over the last 25 years were firmly in the tier 1 in talent/had the talent advantage in their postseason games when winning their titles. Point being: history is HEAVILY stacked against ND on this issue despite being able to pick out a few outlier examples.
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Penn St and Georgia were nice teams, but not tier 1 teams. We're going to be facing a tier 1 team Monday. Can ND hold up? They've shown they can hold up to a tier 2 team like Penn St. and to a lesser extent Georgia (and even get wins) but can they hold up to a tier 1 team backed by tier 1 talent performing optimally right now in OSU?
This is what F+ was designed for. If ND gets ran over by OSU i would prob have ND somewhere in the middle to lower end range of tier 2 (Oregon, Texas, PSU, ND, Ole Miss) this is the group of teams better than the rest of the teams in the country but still way below a tier 1 team like OSU playing optimally.
If ND challenges OSU (not in a got lucky challenge but on a play by play to drive by drive basis) then I'd expect ND to be at the top of that tier 2 i listed but still not quite at the level that i wouldn't automatically give OSU the benefit of the doubt in a hypothetical rematch
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We heard you the first 27 times, RERUN. Take a lap
lol. You had UGA as tier 1, and during the season you listed PSU as a team we couldn’t beat
The formula is dynamic, stuff changes fast over the course of the season as the data comes in.
BTW half the stuff that is attributed to me by other posters is untrue/stuff i've never said.
quote/cite/link your sources when quoting another poster. everybody's post history is public.
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Ole Miss Wasn’t one of the 12 team selected for the CFP, so there’s no way they’re going jump out of us and we beat Penn State head to head so there’s no way they can jump ahead of us. Texas lost twice to Georgia and we beat Georgia, so they’re not going to jump ahead of us. That leaves Oregon but Oregon got demolished by Ohio State
That would appear to leave us ranked no worse than third.
The fact is that you’re not a Notre Dame fan so why don’t you leave this site?
OSU doesn't have "a Jeremiah Love at QB".
Will Howard is above average. He's good.
But I'd take Leonard over him.
