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If telling it like it is makes me a dick, I'm fine with that. I say it near daily on this board. I don't care what you think of me. When I'm wrong I'm happy to admit I'm wrong and when I'm right I'm happy to call out those that shrivel up and disappear when they're proven wrong.
ND sucks, theres no way around it. Weak schedule and refusing to join a conference leads to this massive disappointment. You played 1 'good' team at home game 1 (who per your own admission sucks) and snuck into the playoffs and got annihilated. There needs to be a movement to never let the tap dancing leprechauns anywhere near the national championship again. #NeverAgain
Aren't you going to blame this on Coach Long... up for Asst. Coach of the Year. Read more and post less.
Dexter Williams is the fastest guy on the team and Long abandons the run game while the game was still in reach.
Trevor Lawrence was 1-5 passing vs a blitz in the first half. He was 18-21 with no pressure, coaching in this game was absolutely disgraceful.
Trevor Lawrence was 1-5 passing vs a blitz in the first half. He was 18-21 with no pressure, coaching in this game was absolutely disgraceful.
You're not paying attention but work has been extremely busy.
By your logic though ND will never be able to beat the big boys because they'll have the 5* across the board and ND wont, or after eight season the stable should be stocked don't you think?
Read my posts.... long and book combo was awful.... I’ve thought long was overrated all year. Calls some great plays but calls duds for long stretches
Book beat up on nobodies this year. Didn't face a top 40 defense. Faced a top top 5 defense tonight... Huge difference.
Also kelly got coach of the year twice and then shortly after got embarrassed, diaco won awards. Coaching Awards are fools gold.
Wow I agree... long and kelly were clueless tonight
Good QBs beat up on crappy defenses.
Book/ND offense was really bad tonight, but one game doesn't define a player/career.
Ian Book still has a lot more great games vs bad ones. And he'll still return in 2019 as one of the best QBs in the country.
He can use some 5 star talent to help at the skill positions .. don't know if ND has any though.
if you don't think star rankings matter then you're just clueless or stupid.... look at the size difference from their players to ours..those 5 star kids are NFL ready players..ours, not so much..
That's not true...
He was average to bad against Pittsburgh, Northwestern, USC and tonight. That's half his starts.
If you're being objective, tonight was not shocking. He can't hit receivers in stride downfield.
I will concede that the hitting players downfield in stride is looking more and more like a glaring issue/weakness. But he ripped every single one of those defenses you just listed (averaged over 300 yards and 2 tds in those games with a completion percentage well over 60%)
Ian Book is a good player, i'm looking forward to his 2019 season. But yes, he's not the superstar/elite individual transcending player that i thought back in October he might be. Looking forward to some off season growth in 2019 and ND developing some players at skill position that can help carry the load next season.
Points matter. 19 vs Pittsburgh and 24 for USC told the story of what could easily happen tonight against athletes.
How dare you blame Coach of the Year Brian Kelly for tonight's debacle. I mean, the administration won't allow him to recruit 5 star talent, the assistants come up with the game plans and call the plays - has to be their fault for the shitty game planning and play calling. The players didn't execute so it's their fault. You know Kelly isn't in charge of motivating this team because whenever they get within a whiff of the national championship, they collapse like a house of cards. That's got to be someone else's job. I mean other than a season opening win against what turned out to be a crappy Michigan team, anyone could have guided this bunch into the playoffs with the remaining schedule they had this year. Even know it all board coaches Echo (I've got Nick Saban on speed dial) and Ol' Ball Coach Irish Florida could have put this team into the playoffs. I'm tired of all of the Kelly excuse makers. Guy can't win the natty and needs all the breaks he can get just to get the team into the playoffs. But hey, extend him another 10 years and keep putting those Coach of the Year trophies on his desk. It will keep the Kelly supporters warm this winter knowing ND has the Coach of the Year.
It was about a few key plays- Claypool dropping a 3rd down pass, Book fumbling on 1st and 10 on the Clemson 50, several 3rd and 2s ND didn't pick up. There wasn't a talent differential but rather a executional difference. ND had several opportunities to set the tone early and failed.
The vast majority here know and acknowledge that your chances for success go up in proportion to the number of 5* players on the team. The macro view as IIO called it in an earlier post. The star gazing argument usually follows a negative post following ND getting a commitment from a 3*, with defenders arguing the individual’s skills and attributes, and offer lists, the micro view as IIO termed it.
The fact is Clemson has more talent than ND, and clearly more difference makers. We’re two or three annual elite recruits away. The 2020 class will tell us if we can get there with this staff and with our policies.
The fact is Clemson has more talent than ND, and clearly more difference makers. We’re two or three annual elite recruits away. The 2020 class will tell us if we can get there with this staff and with our policies.
It's more than 2-3 players. ND is multiple tiers away from equalizing the talent advantage. I've posted enough/written enough on this subject to write a book.
And if the last 10 years of Brian Kelly's program isn't a telling sign of what to expect going forward then i don't know what is. It's rare (as in it doesn't exist) for a coach to suddenly start pulling in top 3-5 classes on the recruiting trail after a near decade of recruiting in the 10-15th range.
You’re right about the execution, but how can watch that game and see Clemson’s backup 5 star DEs destroy our offensive line, see Lawrence throw 60 mph ropes, their 5 star WRs get separation and make plays while we couldn’t get people consistently open and say there “wasn’t a talent differential”?
Why didn't ND win it all in 2015 when they had Jaylon, Mcglinchey, Fuller, Procise, Kizer, Quenton, EQ, Ronnie Stanley, Sheldon, Okwara, Tillery, Rochell, Redfield, Keivarie, Greg Bryant, Tori Hunter, Josh Adams? 5 stars weren't the difference tonight, it was execution.
2 composite 5 stars in that entire group... The national champion this year will start a minimum of 8 if it's Clemson and 15+ if its Alabama.... Not comparable.
Well, they were, and they FELT it, too, and you could see it in their body language, Their opponents were better and more talented athletes who were also coached well. We would need a perfect game AND mistakes on their part o beat them.
Now PU
players get defeated, it happens when you're down 30. That QB is a generational QB. I didn't see their WRs getting seperation, some soft spots in zones and contested grabs over Vaughn
Disagree, It's all about early momentum and execution. ND missed on every single opportunity to make a play early and set the tone. I just can't buy the recruiting/star narrative tonight. ND will put just as many guys in the league as Clenson
This is correct. That's how many Clemson featured tonight. Hyatt, Lawrence, Ross, Higgens, Terrell, Thomas, Wilkins... That's the difference.
True about the QB.
Those 5 star WRs were making those plays in HS. They’re used to making those plays. Yes, you can't rely on those plays as an offense, BUT that’s the advantage you get when you have those players—they’ll make plays.
As for soft coverages, yes, but I’m assuming they were afraid of man coverage, those WRs’ speed, and Lawrence’s arm.
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Then why did Syracuse, a team ND destroyed, have Clemson on the ropes and ND didn't even give themselves a puncher's chance in this game. The talent argument only goes so far. ND's talent should have kept them in this game against Clemson. Maybe the Irish don't win, but for the love of God, compete. COMPETE. Is that too much to ask? I guess it is.
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