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“It’s hard to win”

Rees sucks. I could have have called better plays in the second half. You could see Navy was bringing 9 on every down. So why are you simply running up the middle or dialing up long pass plays where Pyne was getting sacked by unblocked players ? How about a screen , a draw or go wildcat. Try something different. It looks like ND has only ten plays. Navy looked like the 85 Bears on defense. MF better learn to be a better game day coach. No adjustments at all. One thing is certain. ND simply is not that good. There is no way that today’s game should have been close. But as usual they do their best to try and lose week after week.
 
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It is awful but that was a bad navy team. Not the quality teams that nd has played in the past at times
Key word. Past at times. And I’ve seen this same script against “bad” Navy teams before. I’ve also heard a certain Coach say “winning in college football is hard” more times than I can count the last 10 years. Get over it seriously. ND will either be 7-5, 8-4, or 9-3. I figured they would be 9-3 this year. They might get there albeit by a different route than I surmised.
 
Bottom line is the team doesn’t know how to prepare and bring the fight energy and focus every week…. I personally think it’s accountability… players keep playing while playing like trash vs lesser teams
 
Seriously STFU.
No YOU stfu! I wonder what you do for a living? Jeez... grow up. Marcus got a win vs. a team that beat Kelly in his first year, and was 2-3 vs Weis. A team that nearly beat Urban and Tressel (National Championship coaches) twice. Get a f life.
 
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Shouldn't matter! As good as I felt about the program heading in the right direction last Saturday night is completely gone after that 2nd half, today was a huge step backwards for CMF.
It shouldnt matter

But when you dont have a legit qb and they attack the los, it can be a problem
 
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Nobody on this board expected to see or would have stated they’d be fine with an 8-4 season (or 9-3 for that matter). We all expected 10-2 worse case. Our starting QB got injured, but guess what, every team deals with injuries and most good teams have a capable backup. We’ve just flat regressed this year for a number of reasons that have been beaten to death.
I think most had us between 8 and 12 reg season wins before the year. Depending if you looked at it optimistically

I said before the year 9 to 12 wins.

But I didnt know Buchner was going to play so poor and our starting qb was going to be Drew Pyne

If you would have told me it was going to be Pyne and we went 9 and 3 with this schedule, I would have said hell of a job
 
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Key word. Past at times. And I’ve seen this same script against “bad” Navy teams before. I’ve also heard a certain Coach say “winning in college football is hard” more times than I can count the last 10 years. Get over it seriously. ND will either be 7-5, 8-4, or 9-3. I figured they would be 9-3 this year. They might get there albeit by a different route than I surmised.
We did not regress. We played 1 top 25 team last year and got embarassed

We have played 3 this year and have 2 top 15 wins.

And thats with a backup playing qb
 
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No YOU stfu! I wonder what you do for a living? Jeez... grow up. Marcus got a win vs. a team that beat Kelly in his first year, and was 2-3 vs Weis. A team that nearly beat Urban and Tressel (National Championship coaches) twice. Get a f life.

Yay, the win is a win crowd. I’ll bet you settle for mediocrity in all facets of your life. Losers
 
Then go apply for a major CFB Head Coaching gig and say that.

is that what you did in order to come here and tell everyone, on a message board, that they’re not allowed to have any opinions or thoughts of their own? Just because everyone on the team/coaching staff would be receiving reach arounds from you tonight doesn’t mean everyone else has to follow suit.
 
is that what you did in order to come here and tell everyone, on a message board, that they’re not allowed to have any opinions or thoughts of their own? Just because everyone on the team/coaching staff would be receiving reach arounds from you tonight doesn’t mean everyone else has to follow suit.
Yucky!
 
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Yes it was. Knew a hangover was coming after Clemson

But,MF shouldnt have let Golden play his defense against Navy. Mf owned Navy his last 2x against them. Hopefully he doesnt make that mistake again

I've never met anyone who got up to play against the triple option. Its miserable. Coming after Clemson with 2 starters out....
I don't know that I'd call the Navy offense a triple option. It's more of a Leatherman tool or loaded Swiss Army knife.

I think our defense adjusted to the fullback dive nicely, but whew, the pass defense was pitiful.
 
I expect 10 and 3 and thats with a backup non p5 QB

We'd be 9 and 1 right now if we had an average QB on the roster.
Pyne went 17-21 an 81 % completion percentage, a 22.8 YPA and 4 touchdown#, that’s a remarkable performance !
 
We did not regress. We played 1 top 25 team last year and got embarassed

We have played 3 this year and have 2 top 15 wins.

And thats with a backup playing qb
What are you talking about?
 
No YOU stfu! I wonder what you do for a living? Jeez... grow up. Marcus got a win vs. a team that beat Kelly in his first year, and was 2-3 vs Weis. A team that nearly beat Urban and Tressel (National Championship coaches) twice. Get a f life.
Actually Kelly lost to Navy TWICE!
 
Beat USC and none of it matters. But we've got some work to do. They are going to stack the box. Can we still run on them? USC has some serious talent.
 
Kelly vs Navy in 11 Games.

9-2 plus 2 games that were won by 7 points or less and 1 game won by 10 points.

Kelly dominated Navy just 6 times in 11 meetings, lost twice, and had a couple close games, and this forum is calling for Freeman's head. 😂

2010 - L 17-35
2011 - W 56-14
2012 - W 50-10
2013 - W 38-34
2014 - W 49-39
2015 - W 41-24
2016 - L 27-28
2017 - W 24-17
2018 - W 44-22
2019 - W 52-20
2020 - No Game (Covid)
2021 - W 34-6

Freeman 1-0 vs Navy. That is all.
 
Yay, the win is a win crowd. I’ll bet you settle for mediocrity in all facets of your life. Losers
Major issue is getting away from focusing only on negative issues. Even when Ara was coach, there was weaker halves. Remember when ND was up on USC 24-3 at half and then lost 55-24. Yes, different level opponent, but things can happen. Would anyone have blamed Ara for being able to adjust?

Navy may have weaker record, but they are not just stiffs do not play hard. It is not a simple issue of settling, it is dealing with reality.
 
It seems like we always have a hard time with Navy. I don't get the meltdown. This board is unbelievably reactionary from week to week.
 
Major issue is getting away from focusing only on negative issues. Even when Ara was coach, there was weaker halves. Remember when ND was up on USC 24-3 at half and then lost 55-24. Yes, different level opponent, but things can happen. Would anyone have blamed Ara for being able to adjust?

Navy may have weaker record, but they are not just stiffs do not play hard. It is not a simple issue of settling, it is dealing with reality.

So how many positive threads must one start in order to have a complaint about today?

Ara coached many years prior to that game and had earned his keep by then. That’s hardly the current case here. Not to mention, 50 years later, it’s still a game that is talked about negatively by ND fans and like you stated, it was against a MUCH better opponent than a 3-6 Navy team.

2 yards in the 2nd half. Were any of Ara’s teams that inept in any half? Might be the worst half of offensive production in ND history honestly. But sure, it’s nothing to be concerned about
 
Of course it's something to be concerned about. I'm sure the coaches are working on it. Unless there is a letdown against BC (a trap game, honestly) we have several weeks to get ready for USC.
 
So, did ND beat Clemson in spite of Freeman being the head coach? Asking for a friend.

Sure as hell seems like it at this point. Bob Davie, Ty Willingham, and Charlie Weis all had some decent wins too. It doesn’t make them great coaches
 
Shouldn't matter! As good as I felt about the program heading in the right direction last Saturday night is completely gone after that 2nd half, today was a huge step backwards for CMF.
Did you watch the game? He was livid. Imo he’s not going to be fun to be around this week at practice and meetings.
 
He can do a really good job at times, but clearly not every week or even close to it
How many would go 7 and 1 with a QB you said probably wouldnt start on any p5 teams? And against 2 top 15 teams

Put it all in perspective
 
How many would go 7 and 1 with a QB you said probably wouldnt start on any p5 teams? And against 2 top 15 teams

Put it all in perspective
Agree but we’ve played 5 really really bad teams this year and lost to 2 of them and almost lost to 2 others … we clearly should have crushed them even with pyne … UNC and Clemson show even with pyne what this team is capable of, no one expects us to play that good weekly but the drop off shouldn’t be this extreme
 
How many would go 7 and 1 with a QB you said probably wouldnt start on any p5 teams? And against 2 top 15 teams

Put it all in perspective
He can't do that.

He's one of those that tries to show how much he knows about football by constantly picking at the players and coaches. All that shows to me is that he's one miserable human being.
 
Did you watch the game? He was livid. Imo he’s not going to be fun to be around this week at practice and meetings.
Who was livid? Not freeman

he took some notes though, would love to read them “Find someone who can recruit and develop a qb”
 
He can't do that.

He's one of those that tries to show how much he knows about football by constantly picking at the players and coaches. All that shows to me is that he's one miserable human being.
Yes critiquing poor play makes people miserable… dumb take
 
Yay, the win is a win crowd. I’ll bet you settle for mediocrity in all facets of your life. Losers
Oh you’re a much better fan than us. Grow up. We’ve all watched the same team yet some of us are more realistic than others. This team is the epitome of up and down. Next year with more experience, there will be more ups than downs. So suck it up.
 
I gave major props to coaching staff for Clemson, rightfully so… but that can’t be what’s possible then not slam them for the crap today
 
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