How long will the new playoff system last?

[NDgreatestofalltime!]

I’m sitting here looking at the conferences, and I’m sorry but there is no way the B12 should get an automatic qualifier.

ISU is 7-0, with their best win being a 1 point win over Iowa, and likely won’t play a ranked team until the conference championship. BYU will only have faced one ranked team themselves if they go to the conference championship.

Imagine KSU, ISU, BYU having to play in the SEC against Texas, UGA, LSU, A&M, Bama, Tennessee, Ole Miss, etc.. honestly, I’d probably take Mizzou over them too, and maybe even South Carolina, and Arkansas on neutral fields. I don’t think any of those teams would finish in the top three or four of the B1G either. Not over Oregon, OSU, PSU, they likely match up better with the second tier of Illinois, Indiana, Washington, Wisconsin. USC has 3 losses and I’f probably take them over all of them too.

Same goes for the ACC, I think Clemson is still an excellent program but who else? Miami? Until they live up to the hype for once it’s hard for me to take them seriously.
Pitt, Syracuse, SMU? None of these teams has played anyone with a pulse.

I know a lot of this will work itself out but the automatic bids are silly, it should be the top 12 and that’s it.

 

[Golson5]

I’m sitting here looking at the conferences, and I’m sorry but there is no way the B12 should get an automatic qualifier.

ISU is 7-0, with their best win being a 1 point win over Iowa, and likely won’t play a ranked team until the conference championship. BYU will only have faced one ranked team themselves if they go to the conference championship.

Imagine KSU, ISU, BYU having to play in the SEC against Texas, UGA, LSU, A&M, Bama, Tennessee, Ole Miss, etc.. honestly, I’d probably take Mizzou over them too, and maybe even South Carolina, and Arkansas on neutral fields. I don’t think any of those teams would finish in the top three or four of the B1G either. Not over Oregon, OSU, PSU, they likely match up better with the second tier of Illinois, Indiana, Washington, Wisconsin. USC has 3 losses and I’f probably take them over all of them too.

Same goes for the ACC, I think Clemson is still an excellent program but who else? Miami? Until they live up to the hype for once it’s hard for me to take them seriously.
Pitt, Syracuse, SMU? None of these teams has played anyone with a pulse.

I know a lot of this will work itself out but the automatic bids are silly, it should be the top 12 and that’s it.

I agree with your last paragraph. I dont like automatic qualifiers and giving a non p4 teams an auto bid.

Just pick the best 12

 

[NDgreatestofalltime!]

Let me also add that Indiana is 7-0, and the only ranked team they’ll play will be OSU. They could go 11-1, PSU had only one ranked opponent left, OSU, they too could go 11-1.

ND if fortunate to go 11-1 could be competing for spots against B1G and B12 teams with one loss and no wins over a ranked opponent.

I’ve NEVER rooted for OSU, ever but now I’m hoping they absolutely dismantle PSU and Indiana, that’d be the best thing for ND. Same with SMU, they could go 11-1 without beating a single ranked opponent, same for Miami, they could go 12-0 without a win against a ranked opponent and still make the playoffs with a loss at 12-1…

It’s crazy to me.

 

[NDblitz]

I watched Byu last night. I was in a group text and said “byu is not that good. Barely beat one of the worst defenses in the Big 12. Big 12 is not a good conference.” That being said transitive property and all. They did beat smu who beat Louisville

 

[NDgreatestofalltime!]

I agree with your last paragraph. I dont like automatic qualifiers and giving a non p4 teams an auto bid.

Just pick the best 12

I don’t think the SEC and B1G are going to put up with it for long. They both think/know their conferences are so much better than the other two.

In fact I read that the SEC and B1G are finalizing an agreement for an SEC vs B1G week likely to take place week two of future seasons. The agreement will seek to match up “like” opponents. This tells me they will try to put teams of similar caliber up against each other. The SEC is deeper so I think the match ups would favor them outside the top few teams in the B1G.

 

[NDblitz]

It’s gonna be 16 I bet by 2027

 

[Patrirish]

I agree with your last paragraph. I dont like automatic qualifiers and giving a non p4 teams an auto bid.

Just pick the best 12

I agree, there should be no preference for conference winners

And let the professionals ………… let Vegas pick the best 12

 

[Quix0te]

Let me also add that Indiana is 7-0, and the only ranked team they’ll play will be OSU. They could go 11-1, PSU had only one ranked opponent left, OSU, they too could go 11-1.

ND if fortunate to go 11-1 could be competing for spots against B1G and B12 teams with one loss and no wins over a ranked opponent.

Indiana has games remaining against Washington, Michigan and Ohio State.

And it is entirely possible that ND will have zero games against ranked opponents at the end of the season. Louisville, USC and FSU are no longer ranked, Army and Navy will drop out after getting bulldozed by ND and A&M will probably drop out after the Lone Star Showdown.

 

[Golson5]

I agree, there should be no preference for conference winners

And let the professionals ………… let Vegas pick the best 12

No not Vegas

 

[Golson5]

Indiana has games remaining against Washington, Michigan and Ohio State.

And it is entirely possible that ND will have zero games against ranked opponents at the end of the season. Louisville, USC and FSU are no longer ranked, Army and Navy will drop out after getting bulldozed by ND and A&M will probably drop out after the Lone Star Showdown.

Inaccurate

 

[buckey]

Unfortunately, we are not a top twelve team with our limited qb play, even with one loss

 

[Golson5]

Unfortunately, we are not a top twelve team with our limited qb play, even with one loss

Yeah we are

 

[NDgreatestofalltime!]

Indiana has games remaining against Washington, Michigan and Ohio State.

And it is entirely possible that ND will have zero games against ranked opponents at the end of the season. Louisville, USC and FSU are no longer ranked, Army and Navy will drop out after getting bulldozed by ND and A&M will probably drop out after the Lone Star Showdown.

Washington, and UM could both end up with four to six losses, how is that better? IU could end up playing and losing to the only ranked team they face.

 

[Patrirish]

No not Vegas

Nobody knows better than Vegas ………… NOBODY !

 

[Golson5]

Nobody knows better than Vegas ………… NOBODY !

Sure lol

 

[Patrirish]

Sure lol

So tell us, who knows more than Vegas !

 

[Patrirish]

Well, we’re waiting !

WHO knows more than Vegas ?

 

[NDinNJ]

Well, we’re waiting !

WHO knows more than Vegas ?

He does. He thinks he knows it all 😂 It's comical really.

 

[Golson5]

Well, we’re waiting !

WHO knows more than Vegas ?

People who know the game and actually watch the games

Vegas sets the lines using computer models and analytics. They don't watch the games.

They don't rank teams. Thats not what they do

 

[sjb75]

Unfortunately, we are not a top twelve team with our limited qb play, even with one loss

You’re full of shit.

 

[NDinNJ]

You’re full of shit.

Why do you say that? It's his opinion. Honestly, most of the people on this forum are full of sh1t. 😂

 

[Patrirish]

People who know the game and actually watch the games

Vegas sets the lines using computer models and analytics. They don't watch the games.

They don't rank teams. Thats not what they do

Name those people who you claim “ know the game and actually watch the games”
WHO are they ?
You must know who they are since you cited their existence and function

Vegas watches every game !

And yes, they rank the teams.

You don’t know what you’re talking about, so stop trying to bullshit your way out of admitting that you don’t have a clue.

Now name those people !

 

[Golson5]

Name those people who you claim “ know the game and actually watch the games”
WHO are they ?
You must know who they are since you cited their existence and function

Vegas watches every game !

And yes, they rank the teams.

You don’t know what you’re talking about, so stop trying to bullshit your way out of admitting that you don’t have a clue.

Now name those people !

When you said you were clueless before, that's the truest thing ever written !!

 

[BGI User 1596]

Y

When you said you were clueless before, that's the truest thing ever written !!

ouch!

 

[Patrirish]

When you said you were clueless before, that's the truest thing ever written !!

When you said you were clueless before, that's the truest thing ever written !!

You’re a fraud

Nice try at diverting and deflecting and avoiding my question

Name the people who you claim, “know the game and watch all the games”

You can’t because you’re a fraud and you fabricated your response !

You’re a fraud !

OUCH ! 👍

 

[Golson5]

You’re a fraud

Nice try at diverting and deflecting and avoiding my question

Name the people who you claim, “know the game and watch all the games”

You can’t because you’re a fraud and you fabricated your response !

You’re a fraud !

OUCH ! 👍

You can pick any number of former head coaches and assistants who would better than the computer models Vegas uses

How about let's start with Nick Saban and Urban Meyer. Oh wait, let me guess, Vegas knows more about football than those 2, right ?

🤣🤣🤣

Idiot

 

[sjb75]

Why do you say that? It's his opinion. Honestly, most of the people on this forum are full of sh1t. 😂

That’s true.

 

[Patrirish]

You can pick any number of former head coaches and assistants who would better than the computer models Vegas uses

How about let's start with Nick Saban and Urban Meyer. Oh wait, let me guess, Vegas knows more about football than those 2, right ?

🤣🤣🤣

Idiot

Once again, you failed to name the people who “know football, who watch all of the games”

You used the term, “would be better”, indicating that those people are not currently ranking the teams, so I’ll ask you again, name the people who know football who watch ALL of the games !

You’re such a moron and a fraud.
But, you’re more than that … you’re dishonest and lack integrity !

Neither Sabin nor Meyer have a clue when it comes to creating point spreads and ranking teams.

“Coaching” is an entirely different discipline from “odds making”

You’re just too stupid to understand that !

So I’ll ask you again, name the people you referenced, who know football and watch ALL of the games !

Alternatively, just admit that you don’t know what you’re talking about

 

[88ND]

It’s gonna be 16 I bet by 2027

Absolutely and it might not stop there.
The ultimate goal...and this is inside information I trust... is to get away from the better teams playing weak schedule fillers.
They want more big cross conference games in the regular season.
#1 to have a better gauge on how good teams are and.....
#2 adding more important games sells itself for the networks.
#3 having more playoff spots gives teams more confidence to schedule our of their comfort level. They can lose and still have a chance.

Alabama vs. The Citadel $ell$ nothing for the network. That's no disrespect to The Citadel but the subject here is playoff....
Which was born in the first place because of dolla bill$!!

The networks want the max return for these massive contract bids. Advertisers are far more willing to pony up big dollars if we see Florida play an away game in Seattle or Eugene.
It's going to happen far more than a freak occurrence.
NIL money...
Insanely huge TV contracts...
Teams can lose tough games in tough environments and possibly make the playoff.
Teams that ignore the tough games getting bypassed by those who don't.

Everyone wins which is not often the case.
Players..as the NIL will only increase
Teams get extra $$ and less afraid of challenges possibly being rewarded for taking those challenges.
TV wins.
Advertisers win...see above... thus...
TV wins.
The fans win. God forbid.

 

[88ND]

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Imagine KSU, ISU, BYU having to play in the SEC against Texas, UGA, LSU, A&M, Bama, Tennessee, Ole Miss, etc.. honestly, I’d probably take Mizzou over them too, and maybe even South Carolina, and Arkansas on neutral fields.

Imagine the SEC playing north the Mason Dixon line post Hallowen.

They don't!
E V E R !


Don't be one of the sheep who thinks football is only played in the SEC just because ESPN says so.

Moreover...

And I don't agree about automatics but I have a problem with taking "the best 12" because what metric are you using?
You've already admitted you "think" the SEC is better than x,y and z...
Based solely on what you hear a talking head saying.

Until there is a lot more conference cross over games, teams playing in unfamiliar and unfriendly elements, how the hell do you know who really is the best 12?

Moreover...team ranked #4 beats team ranked #2 says what exactly?
Both teams might not even be top 5 worthy.

Georgia...Who was down 30-7 at the half against Alabama....and lost ultimately...41-34

The same Bama team who now has two losses and easily shoukd be three losses... Vanderbilt, Tennessee and should've lost to South Carolina.

Oh ...but wait...
Georgia beat #1 Texas in Austin.
So we'll have quick amnesia about Georgia's "bad game" against an average Tide team...

Georgia and Texas might not be as good as the trendy folk say they are.

It's not just them...

Boise Stste has an identical record as OSU.
Both have identical losses to the same opponent at the identical location.
BSU lost by a last second field goal, OSU didn't get to attenpt their last second FG...

Yet there sits OSU near the top and BSU looked at as like a lepper.

When the playoffs go to 24 teams at the very least the inaccurate rankings matter much less as things will be settled on the field.

 

[Chitown11]

So tell us, who knows more than Vegas !

God

 

[Golson5]

Once again, you failed to name the people who “know football, who watch all of the games”

You used the term, “would be better”, indicating that those people are not currently ranking the teams, so I’ll ask you again, name the people who know football who watch ALL of the games !

You’re such a moron and a fraud.
But, you’re more than that … you’re dishonest and lack integrity !

Neither Sabin nor Meyer have a clue when it comes to creating point spreads and ranking teams.

“Coaching” is an entirely different discipline from “odds making”

You’re just too stupid to understand that !

So I’ll ask you again, name the people you referenced, who know football and watch ALL of the games !

Alternatively, just admit that you don’t know what you’re talking about

You asked for names stupidly. I gave you 2 people that would be better than Vegas. Because you asked who knows more than Vegas

Urban Meyer and Nick Saban know more about football than Vegas ever will.

 

[NDinNJ]

You asked for names stupidly. I gave you 2 people that would be better than Vegas. Because you asked who knows more than Vegas

Urban Meyer and Nick Saban know more about football than Vegas ever will.

You lack reading comprehension, you are for sure mentally challenged. Don't twist what was said. The original comment by PatIrish was "Let Vegas pick the best 12"
So the question to you is, who other than vegas knows more about picking the best 12 teams in college football?

 

[NDinNJ]

God

Mel 😂

 

[Patrirish]

You asked for names stupidly. I gave you 2 people that would be better than Vegas. Because you asked who knows more than Vegas

Urban Meyer and Nick Saban know more about football than Vegas ever will.

You’re dumb and you’re dishonest

Sabin and Meyer only know about coaching. They don’t have a clue when it comes to odds making and ranking teams.

And those names were given prospectively, not contemporaneously, whereas you stated that people who know football who watch all the games are better than Vegas,
So who are those people ?

Don’t tell us who they might be, tell us who they are currently

You’re a fraud and your dishonest

 

[Chitown11]

Mel 😂

him too

 

[Golson5]

You lack reading comprehension, you are for sure mentally challenged. Don't twist what was said. The original comment by PatIrish was "Let Vegas pick the best 12"
So the question to you is, who other than vegas knows more about picking the best 12 teams in college football?

I know what he said. And I said not Vegas. I said head coaches and assistant coaches

Then he stupidly asked for names.

So I gave him Nick Saban and Urban Meyer and asked if he thought Vegas knew more than them about football

Try to keep up douche

 

[Golson5]

You’re dumb and you’re dishonest

Sabin and Meyer only know about coaching. They don’t have a clue when it comes to odds making and ranking teams.

And those names were given prospectively, not contemporaneously, whereas you stated that people who know football who watch all the games are better than Vegas,
So who are those people ?

Don’t tell us who they might be, tell us who they are currently

You’re a fraud and your dishonest

Yeah those 2 don't know about football. And it's easy or of their depth to watch and rank teams

🤣🤣

But the nerds in Vegas know more than them

Just stop

 

[NDinNJ]

I know what he said. And I said not Vegas. I said head coaches and assistant coaches

Then he stupidly asked for names.

So I gave him Nick Saban and Urban Meyer and asked if he thought Vegas knew more than them about football

Try to keep up douche

Saban picked Bama over Tennessee, His Bias would have Alabama as a top 5 team. He's great coach, probably the greatest ever in college football, but that doesn't mean he can pick the best 12 teams in college football.

 

[88ND]

Saban picked Bama over Tennessee, His Bias would have Alabama as a top 5 team. He's great coach, probably the greatest ever in college football, but that doesn't mean he can pick the best 12 teams in college football.

I disagree with that. It's not possible to quantify such a thing. In a sport during his tenure was simply a beauty pageant of rankings and or the four prettiest teams, again the beauty pageant...and zero road games north the Mason Dixon line post Halloween...

I also remember quite well his average at best tenure in East Lansing.
He coached Sparty 5 years. If you remove his final season his record there was 25-22.
His final season at MSU was a 9-2 campaign. Those first 4 seasons were basically .500 football

Who was better than Saban?
Leahy, Rockne, Bryant, Paterno...

But in modern times...

Urban Meyer was definitely better.
His HC record is much more impressive than Saban's record.
They both sucked in the NFL so that's a wash...
But Meyer should've won a NC at Utah.
They destroyed everyone in 2004 by a LARGE margin and had zero schedule fillers unlike most of Saban's Bama career.
At the very least Utah should've been playing USC for the title but the fat cats back then only wanted to include the elite special club teams in the BCS title game.
Utah and USC shared some common opponents that year with very similar outcomes.
USC had a 3 point win over Stanford.
USC had a 6 point win over Cal.

Utah's closest game was a 14 point win


Meyer..and I'm not all giddy about him...
He was better than Saban and IMO not a difficult decision.
Better winning percentage,
Should've had titles at three schools..

That all said I wouldn't have either of them ranking teams.

What a real ranking needs are people with football knowledge who wouldn't be biased and or loathing teams and or conferences , etc.

Good luck with that.

A playoff format has to expand because then the more teams allowed in the less humans can mess up the participation of such.

College is too big to have an NFL standings type of situation for the post season.

But the more participants in the playoff the less chance of getting it wrong. The rankings won't be right but playoff participation will be close to being correct and that's all we want is deciding things on the field.