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I disagree with that. It's not possible to quantify such a thing. In a sport during his tenure was simply a beauty pageant of rankings and or the four prettiest teams, again the beauty pageant...and zero road games north the Mason Dixon line post Halloween...

I also remember quite well his average at best tenure in East Lansing.
He coached Sparty 5 years. If you remove his final season his record there was 25-22.
His final season at MSU was a 9-2 campaign. Those first 4 seasons were basically .500 football

Who was better than Saban?
Leahy, Rockne, Bryant, Paterno...

But in modern times...

Urban Meyer was definitely better.
His HC record is much more impressive than Saban's record.
They both sucked in the NFL so that's a wash...
But Meyer should've won a NC at Utah.
They destroyed everyone in 2004 by a LARGE margin and had zero schedule fillers unlike most of Saban's Bama career.
At the very least Utah should've been playing USC for the title but the fat cats back then only wanted to include the elite special club teams in the BCS title game.
Utah and USC shared some common opponents that year with very similar outcomes.
USC had a 3 point win over Stanford.
USC had a 6 point win over Cal.

Utah's closest game was a 14 point win


Meyer..and I'm not all giddy about him...
He was better than Saban and IMO not a difficult decision.
Better winning percentage,
Should've had titles at three schools..

That all said I wouldn't have either of them ranking teams.

What a real ranking needs are people with football knowledge who wouldn't be biased and or loathing teams and or conferences , etc.

Good luck with that.

A playoff format has to expand because then the more teams allowed in the less humans can mess up the participation of such.

College is too big to have an NFL standings type of situation for the post season.

But the more participants in the playoff the less chance of getting it wrong. The rankings won't be right but playoff participation will be close to being correct and that's all we want is deciding things on the field.
Stay off the drugs
 
Yeah those 2 don't know about football. And it's easy or of their depth to watch and rank teams

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But the nerds in Vegas know more than them

Just stop
Those two don’t have a clue about odds making and creating spreads and ranking teams.

They only know how to coach a team.

And those nerds in Vegas, the same nerds that build billion dollar hotel-casinos and make a fortune on odds making and creating spreads and ranking teams know exponentially more about their profession than those two coaches.

But once again, your trying to weasel out of your own words

You said there were people “who know football, who watch every game”, that know more than the oddsmakers in Vegas

So tell us this for starters, who are those people who watch every game ?
Since you cited them, identify them, name them for us

You’re a total fraud
 
Those two don’t have a clue about odds making and creating spreads and ranking teams.

They only know how to coach a team.

And those nerds in Vegas, the same nerds that build billion dollar hotel-casinos and make a fortune on odds making and creating spreads and ranking teams know exponentially more about their profession than those two coaches.

But once again, your trying to weasel out of your own words

You said there were people “who know football, who watch every game”, that know more than the oddsmakers in Vegas

So tell us this for starters, who are those people who watch every game ?
Since you cited them, identify them, name them for us

You’re a total fraud
We're ranking teams. Not creating spreads

Moronic argument

Not surprised
 
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23,485 posts in 5 years.
How many are of actual substance?
10%?
My guess is 5%...

Might I suggest a little more life and a little less inTRAnet.?.
Just a thought.
There's only 1,825 days in 5 years.
Stay off the drugs
 
We're ranking teams. Not creating spreads

Moronic argument

Not surprised
You’re too stupid to understand the relationship between the two disciplines !

But back to the original issue

You said that there were people who were better qualified to rank the teams than Vegas

You said that those people were people who “knew the game, who watched every game”

So who are those people that you referenced ?

Who are the people you referenced who watch every game?

Identify them for us or just admit that fabricated your response.

You’re a fraud

And worse than that, you’re dishonest, and you lack any semblance of integrity
 
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I’m sitting here looking at the conferences, and I’m sorry but there is no way the B12 should get an automatic qualifier.

ISU is 7-0, with their best win being a 1 point win over Iowa, and likely won’t play a ranked team until the conference championship. BYU will only have faced one ranked team themselves if they go to the conference championship.

Imagine KSU, ISU, BYU having to play in the SEC against Texas, UGA, LSU, A&M, Bama, Tennessee, Ole Miss, etc.. honestly, I’d probably take Mizzou over them too, and maybe even South Carolina, and Arkansas on neutral fields. I don’t think any of those teams would finish in the top three or four of the B1G either. Not over Oregon, OSU, PSU, they likely match up better with the second tier of Illinois, Indiana, Washington, Wisconsin. USC has 3 losses and I’f probably take them over all of them too.

Same goes for the ACC, I think Clemson is still an excellent program but who else? Miami? Until they live up to the hype for once it’s hard for me to take them seriously.
Pitt, Syracuse, SMU? None of these teams has played anyone with a pulse.

I know a lot of this will work itself out but the automatic bids are silly, it should be the top 12 and that’s it.
It will last as long as ND is not screwed That’s the kiss of death. Another big name team that gets in or gets left out by questionable means will add to the erosion of trust
 
23,485 posts in 5 years.
How many are of actual substance?
10%?
My guess is 5%...

Might I suggest a little more life and a little less inTRAnet.?.
Just a thought.
There's only 1,825 days in 5 years.
1826, there was a leap year in there. That's about 13 post per day. I may be right when I mentioned that he may be living in his parents basement.
 
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1826, there was a leap year in there. That's about 13 post per day. I may be right when I mentioned that he may be living in his parents basement.
There's absolutely no doubt something like that is going on.

Even more glaring...
There's only 5... (not even full) 5 months of actual football being played.
1825 just became 765.
As in 765 days over 5 years of August through December.
One could say 23,485 posts out of 765 actual season playing days over 5 years.
That's 30.69 posts per day.
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I think you nailed it perfectly!!
 
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There's absolutely no doubt something like that is going on.

Even more glaring...
There's only 5... (not even full) 5 months of actual football being played.
1825 just became 765.
As in 765 days over 5 years of August through December.
One could say 23,485 posts out of 765 actual season playing days over 5 years.
That's 30.69 posts per day.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I think you nailed it perfectly!!
I know when you're old like yourself it may take you awhile to type out your long winded posts that mean nothing.

But it takes like 10 seconds to send this post.

🤣🤣🤣 How old are you??
 
I know when you're old like yourself it may take you awhile to type out your long winded posts that mean nothing.

But it takes like 10 seconds to send this post.

🤣🤣🤣 How old are you??
You said that there were people who were better qualified to rank the teams than Vegas

You said that those people were people who “knew the game, who watched every game”

So who are those people that you referenced ?

Who are the people you referenced who watch every game?

Identify them for us or just admit that fabricated your response.

You’re a fraud

And worse than that, you’re dishonest, and you lack any semblance of integrity
 
You said that there were people who were better qualified to rank the teams than Vegas

You said that those people were people who “knew the game, who watched every game”

So who are those people that you referenced ?

Who are the people you referenced who watch every game?

Identify them for us or just admit that fabricated your response.

You’re a fraud

And worse than that, you’re dishonest, and you lack any semblance of integrity
Already did. Former head coaches and assistant coaches would be better than the Vegas computers at ranking teams

We can start with Nick Saban and Urban Meyer and go from there

They know more about football than Vegas
 
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Already did. Former head coaches and assistant coaches would be better than the Vegas computers at ranking teams

We can start with Nick Saban and Urban Meyer and go from there

They know more about football than Vegas
No, you didn’t
You’re a liar.

I stated that Vegas is the best at ranking the teams
You then stated that others who “know the game, who watch EVERY game” know better than Vegas when it comes to ranking the teams.

So I asked you to identify those people you referenced, “ the people who know the game, who watch EVERY game.

YOU STATED THAT FORMER HEAD COACHES AND ASSISTANT COACHES WOULD BE BETTER THAN VEGAS.

If that’s the case, why aren’t they doing it?
If they’re better than Vegas, they’d be making a fortune

But they’re not better than Vegas

And You’re a liar and a fraud

Let’s start with the fact that Nick Saban and Urban Meyer don’t watch every game.

In addition, they just know how to coach, they don’t know how to create spreads, over/unders, etc., etc., and they don’t have a clue on how to rank the teams.

So again I’ll ask you, identified the people who know more than Vegas when it comes to ranking the teams

Alternatively, you can admit that you don’t know what you’re talking about and that your statement that people who “ know the game, who watch EVERY game” Know better than Vegas on how to rank the teams.

You’re a fraud and you lack the character and integrity to admit that you were wrong
 
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Already did. Former head coaches and assistant coaches would be better than the Vegas computers at ranking teams

We can start with Nick Saban and Urban Meyer and go from there

They know more about football than Vegas
LMFAO, you are an idiot
 
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No, you didn’t
You’re a liar.

I stated that Vegas is the best at ranking the teams
You then stated that others who “know the game, who watch EVERY game” know better than Vegas when it comes to ranking the teams.

So I asked you to identify those people you referenced, “ the people who know the game, who watch EVERY game.

YOU STATED THAT FORMER HEAD COACHES AND ASSISTANT COACHES WOULD BE BETTER THAN VEGAS.

If that’s the case, why aren’t they doing it?
If they’re better than Vegas, they’d be making a fortune

But they’re not better than Vegas

And You’re a liar and a fraud

Let’s start with the fact that Nick Saban and Urban Meyer don’t watch every game.

In addition, they just know how to coach, they don’t know how to create spreads, over/unders, etc., etc., and they don’t have a clue on how to rank the teams.

So again I’ll ask you, identified the people who know more than Vegas when it comes to ranking the teams

Alternatively, you can admit that you don’t know what you’re talking about and that your statement that people who “ know the game, who watch EVERY game” Know better than Vegas on how to rank the teams.

You’re a fraud and you lack the character and integrity to admit that you were wrong
Vegas doesn't rank teams. They set the lines. They shouldn't and will never be ranking teams. That is stupid and moronic

If you want to know who would be better at ranking teams I said former gead coaches and assistant coaches

Starting with Saban and Meyer and go from there

And Vegas doesn't know more about football than those 2. If you think they do.....

Well we already know you are a moron. Doesn't even have to be said

Vegas knows more about football than Saban and Meyer

🤣🤣🤣

IDIOT
 
I disagree with that. It's not possible to quantify such a thing. In a sport during his tenure was simply a beauty pageant of rankings and or the four prettiest teams, again the beauty pageant...and zero road games north the Mason Dixon line post Halloween...

I also remember quite well his average at best tenure in East Lansing.
He coached Sparty 5 years. If you remove his final season his record there was 25-22.
His final season at MSU was a 9-2 campaign. Those first 4 seasons were basically .500 football

Who was better than Saban?
Leahy, Rockne, Bryant, Paterno...

But in modern times...

Urban Meyer was definitely better.
His HC record is much more impressive than Saban's record.
They both sucked in the NFL so that's a wash...
But Meyer should've won a NC at Utah.
They destroyed everyone in 2004 by a LARGE margin and had zero schedule fillers unlike most of Saban's Bama career.
At the very least Utah should've been playing USC for the title but the fat cats back then only wanted to include the elite special club teams in the BCS title game.
Utah and USC shared some common opponents that year with very similar outcomes.
USC had a 3 point win over Stanford.
USC had a 6 point win over Cal.

Utah's closest game was a 14 point win


Meyer..and I'm not all giddy about him...
He was better than Saban and IMO not a difficult decision.
Better winning percentage,
Should've had titles at three schools..

That all said I wouldn't have either of them ranking teams.

What a real ranking needs are people with football knowledge who wouldn't be biased and or loathing teams and or conferences , etc.

Good luck with that.

A playoff format has to expand because then the more teams allowed in the less humans can mess up the participation of such.

College is too big to have an NFL standings type of situation for the post season.

But the more participants in the playoff the less chance of getting it wrong. The rankings won't be right but playoff participation will be close to being correct and that's all we want is deciding things on the field.
SMH reading this.
 
Vegas doesn't rank teams. They set the lines. They shouldn't and will never be ranking teams. That is stupid and moronic

If you want to know who would be better at ranking teams I said former gead coaches and assistant coaches

Starting with Saban and Meyer and go from there

And Vegas doesn't know more about football than those 2. If you think they do.....

Well we already know you are a moron. Doesn't even have to be said

Vegas knows more about football than Saban and Meyer

🤣🤣🤣

IDIOT
Your clueless

Vegas does rank teams

College and NFL

Vegas knows infinitely more about creating spreads and ranking teams than the two coaches you mentioned who only know how to coach and nothing more

You’re a liar and a fraud
 
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Your clueless

Vegas does rank teams

College and NFL

Vegas knows infinitely more about creating spreads and ranking teams than the two coaches you mentioned who only know how to coach and nothing more

You’re a liar and a fraud
If I cared about spread than I would choose Vegas every day of the week

If I want people with football knowledge and evaluating teams, I'm taking Saban and Meyer every day of the week

Anyone who thinks Vegas knows more about football than Saban and Meyer is an absolute fool
 
That was your first mistake
You’re making a total class 1 fool and jackass out of yourself.

You should’ve been content to remain the class 2 fool and jackass that you’ve always were

By taking your absurd position, you undermined and destroyed whatever credibility you had left

But just for the heck of it, identify who the people are who watch every game, the ones you referenced
 
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Your clueless

Vegas does rank teams

College and NFL

Vegas knows infinitely more about creating spreads and ranking teams than the two coaches you mentioned who only know how to coach and nothing more

You’re a liar and a fraud
He's the biggest fraud on this forum. He claims that 1st round talent, doesn't get drafted in the 1st round, and a 4 loss NIU is a really good MAC team 😂
 
He's the biggest fraud on this forum. He claims that 1st round talent, doesn't get drafted in the 1st round, and a 4 loss NIU is a really good MAC team 😂
To an intelligent outside observer, it’s not just that his position is insane, it’s that he keeps on insisting that his position is correct instead of admitting that he misspoke.

Failure to admit that you made a mistake is a sign of an unintelligent and very insecure person

He just doesn’t understand that
 
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If I cared about spread than I would choose Vegas every day of the week

If I want people with football knowledge and evaluating teams, I'm taking Saban and Meyer every day of the week

Anyone who thinks Vegas knows more about football than Saban and Meyer is an absolute fool
Only a total moron and a really dishonest person would try to shift the narrative away from the subject of ranking the teams to coaching the teams !.

Vegas doesn’t coach teams, they only handicap them.

Saban and Meyer don’t have a clue when it comes to handicapping, They don’t know how to go about establishing point spreads and ranking teams.

You said that people who “ know the game, who watch every game” know more about ranking the teams than Vegas.

So again, I ask, who are those people “who watch every game, who know the game”

Identify them for us.

We all know that it’s not Saban and/or Meyer, so who is it?

You are dishonest and you’re a fraud
 
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He's the biggest fraud on this forum. He claims that 1st round talent, doesn't get drafted in the 1st round, and a 4 loss NIU is a really good MAC team 😂
You had a really rough couple days here little fella. I exposed some of your misses that you wouldn't respond to
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Only a total moron and a really dishonest person would try to shift the narrative away from the subject of ranking the teams to coaching the teams !.

Vegas doesn’t coach teams, they only handicap them.

Saban and Meyer don’t have a clue when it comes to handicapping, They don’t know how to go about establishing point spreads and ranking teams.

You said that people who “ know the game, who watch every game” know more about ranking the teams than Vegas.

So again, I ask, who are those people “who watch every game, who know the game”

Identify them for us.

We all know that it’s not Saban and/or Meyer, so who is it?

You are dishonest and you’re a fraud
If I want to use point spreads, I'll ask Vegas to do so

If I want someone who knows football to evaluate teams I'll ask Saban Meyer and other coaches

Very simple.

You're not changing my mind. I'm not changing yours.
 
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You had a really rough couple days here little fella. I exposed some of your misses that you wouldn't respond to
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Actually I had a great weekend, ND won, ND's toughest opponent beat LSU. I enjoyed this weekend.

Even if as you say I had a bad couple days, I don't run and hide like you did. I'm here no matter what. I'm not a pu&$y like you.

I can't help you're a loser and live on an anonymous forum because you probably have no friends and no life. 25k+ posts lol get a life you child. 😂
 
Unfortunately, we are not a top twelve team with our limited qb play, even with one loss
We are. In fact we're #8. Leonard is showing us why he was so highly touted by NFL scouts two years ago. Remember, he hadn't taken a snap in nearly a year, didn't play spring and limited summer ball. New Offensive Coordinator, new receivers, very untested young offensive line -- we are improving each week on offense. If Riley played in the first two games like the last three he'd be in the Heisman convo.

This is his past 3 games then multiplied by 4.

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Actually I had a great weekend, ND won, ND's toughest opponent beat LSU. I enjoyed this weekend.

Even if as you say I had a bad couple days, I don't run and hide like you did. I'm here no matter what. I'm not a pu&$y like you.

I can't help you're a loser and live on an anonymous forum because you probably have no friends and no life. 25k+ posts lol get a life you child. 😂
Been a rough few days for ya fella.

Tell us again on an anonymous message board how many clients you added while talking shit about another poster doing the exact same thing

Pathetic 🤣

And stop lying you want RL to fail so you can come on here and talk shit and cry put in my Jersey boy lol
 
Now, as to the OP. I may be cynical, but I think the current 12 team playoff format will last as long as the Big and SEC want it to. TV networks might want to expand it further, but at the end of the day, I think the Big and SEC will dictate. I hate the automatic bids, but that was the price for agreement, and I assume both the Big and SEC and ND would favor a change to the top twelve teams if they could swing it.
 
We are. In fact we're #8. Leonard is showing us why he was so highly touted by NFL scouts two years ago. Remember, he hadn't taken a snap in nearly a year, didn't play spring and limited summer ball. New Offensive Coordinator, new receivers, very untested young offensive line -- we are improving each week on offense. If Riley played in the first two games like the last three he'd be in the Heisman convo.

This is his past 3 games then multiplied by 4.

user generated
Oh my Lord, RL for Heisman? Are you drunk or high?
 
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Been a rough few days for ya fella.

Tell us again on an anonymous message board how many clients you added while talking shit about another poster doing the exact same thing

Pathetic 🤣

And stop lying you want RL to fail so you can come on here and talk shit and cry put in my Jersey boy lol
You are clueless. When are you going to pay PatIrish the money you owe him from the bet you lost? You lost all credibility when you welched on the bet you lost with him. Everyone on this forum except for your Butt buddy IrishMike409 know you are a liar, fraud and coward.
 
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If I want to use point spreads, I'll ask Vegas to do so

If I want someone who knows football to evaluate teams I'll ask Saban Meyer and other coaches

Very simple.

You're not changing my mind. I'm not changing yours.
You’re trying to change the narrative again because you’re dishonest

The issue isn’t about coaching teams, the issue is and has always been about ranking teams

I stated that Vegas should rank the teams since they’re the professional experts

You disagreed, you stated that others, “ who know the game, who watch every game” are better qualified than Vegas

So I asked you to identify those people who “watch every game, who know the game”, who are better than Vegas, at ranking teams ………… and you failed to identify those individuals who are better qualified than Vegas to rank the teams.

To repeat, the issue isn’t about coaching teams, the issue is about ranking teams

So tell us, who is better than Vegas at ranking teams ?

Identify them

Or admit that you’re dead wrong on this issue !
 
You are clueless. When are you going to pay PatIrish the money you owe him from the bet you lost? You lost all credibility when you welched on the bet you lost with him. Everyone on this forum except for your Butt buddy IrishMike409 know you are a liar, fraud and coward.
Hilarious stuff here 🤣🤣🤣

You can't take it. You like to dish but when the screws get turned on you you really don't like that lol

You're soft
 
You’re trying to change the narrative again because you’re dishonest

The issue isn’t about coaching teams, the issue is and has always been about ranking teams

I stated that Vegas should rank the teams since they’re the professional experts

You disagreed, you stated that others, “ who know the game, who watch every game” are better qualified than Vegas

So I asked you to identify those people who “watch every game, who know the game”, who are better than Vegas, at ranking teams ………… and you failed to identify those individuals who are better qualified than Vegas to rank the teams.

To repeat, the issue isn’t about coaching teams, the issue is about ranking teams

So tell us, who is better than Vegas at ranking teams ?

Identify them

Or admit that you’re dead wrong on this issue !
I didnt say anything about coaching

Learn to read. I honestly think you miss a lit because other people don't write in bold so you don't really see what was said

I'll repeat for the last time very clearly. If I want someone to make point spreads I'll go with Vegas

If I want someone to evaluate and rank teams I'll go with former coaches. Starting with Saban and Meyer

That's as simple and clear as it could possibly be. If up can't read that and understand, oh well. I think even your bf from jersey could understand that
 
Hilarious stuff here 🤣🤣🤣

You can't take it. You like to dish but when the screws get turned on you you really don't like that lol

You're soft
You think I care what you think? I have news for you, I don't. Only a few people in my life do I care what they think, the rest, I could care less.
 
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