Will Kizer regress in 2016?

[cgvr]

Weis made 2 major bowl games.....but didn't produce the 8+ win seasons consistently nor the NFL prospects (talent in the program) that Kelly did

And I've already crushed you again, and again, and again on the fact that is doesn't matter that not all of Kelly's draft picks were "his guys" as that's true for every single CFB ever, in their first 3-5 years
It in no way, at all, reduces the value of Kelly developing those players into NFL draft picks

And the beatings continue with your moronic in ability to count:
22 NFL Draft Picks from 2010-2014 +

1. Stanley (1st)
2. Jaylon (1st)
3. Fuller (1st/2nd)
4. Day (2nd/3rd)
5. Martin (2nd/3rd)
6. Russell (3rd/5th)
7. Prosise (3rd/5th)
8. Okwara (3rd/5th)
9. Shumate (4th/7th)
10. Brown (6th/FA)
11. Amir Carlislse (7th/FA)

It could actually end up being well over 30, depending on how the 2015 Draft plays out




And to call out even more of your BS...........Notre Dame ABSOLUTELY DID NOT have 30 players drafted from 01 to 06

So nice effort to support your point with total BS......but that's another failure by you?

Again you are lying. I did not write that ND did "have 30 players drafted from 01 to 06"

I accurately wrote

"from '02-'07 we had 30....."

Heck, you're a guy that couldn't count to 4......

You're just a liar and stupid.... not a good combo...

1 2007 1 22 Brady Quinn QB Cleveland Browns
2 2007 2 57 Victor Abiamiri DE Philadelphia Eagles
3 2007 3 70 Ryan Harris OT Denver Broncos
4 2007 5 166 Derek Landri DT Jacksonville Jaguars
5 2007 6 202 Mike Richardson DB New England Patriots
6 2007 7 230 Dan Santucci G Cincinnati Bengals
7 2007 7 253 Chinedum Ndukwe DB Cincinnati Bengals
8 2006 2 53 Anthony Fasano TE Dallas Cowboys
9 2006 3 90 Maurice Stovall WR Tampa Bay Buccaneers
10 2006 6 205 Dan Stevenson G New England Patriots
11 2005 3 74 Justin Tuck DE New York Giants
12 2005 5 144 Jerome Collins TE St. Louis Rams
13 2004 2 43 Julius Jones RB Dallas Cowboys
14 2004 2 60 Courtney Watson MLB New Orleans Saints
15 2004 4 122 Glenn Earl SS Houston Texans
16 2004 6 170 Vontez Duff CB Houston Texans
17 2004 6 180 Jim Molinaro T Washington Redskins
18 2003 1 21 Jeff Faine C Cleveland Browns
19 2003 5 153 Jordan Black G Kansas City Chiefs
20 2003 5 168 Sean Mahan G Tampa Bay Buccaneers
21 2003 5 170 Shane Walton CB St. Louis Rams
22 2003 6 182 Gerome Sapp DB Baltimore Ravens
23 2003 6 197 Arnaz Battle WR San Francisco 49ers
24 2003 6 212 Brennan Curtin T Green Bay Packers
25 2002 2 52 Anthony Weaver DE Baltimore Ravens
26 2002 4 133 Rocky Boiman LB Tennessee Titans
27 2002 5 138 John Owens TE Detroit Lions
28 2002 6 198 Tyreo Harrison LB Philadelphia Eagles
29 2002 6 206 Javin Hunter WR Baltimore Ravens
30 2002 7 253 David Givens WR New England Patriots

Do you like apples? What a dunce....

 

[cgvr]

Weis made 2 major bowl games.....but didn't produce the 8+ win seasons consistently nor the NFL prospects (talent in the program) that Kelly did

And I've already crushed you again, and again, and again on the fact that is doesn't matter that not all of Kelly's draft picks were "his guys" as that's true for every single CFB ever, in their first 3-5 years
It in no way, at all, reduces the value of Kelly developing those players into NFL draft picks

And the beatings continue with your moronic in ability to count:
22 NFL Draft Picks from 2010-2014 +

1. Stanley (1st)
2. Jaylon (1st)
3. Fuller (1st/2nd)
4. Day (2nd/3rd)
5. Martin (2nd/3rd)
6. Russell (3rd/5th)
7. Prosise (3rd/5th)
8. Okwara (3rd/5th)
9. Shumate (4th/7th)
10. Brown (6th/FA)
11. Amir Carlislse (7th/FA)

It could actually end up being well over 30, depending on how the 2015 Draft plays out




And to call out even more of your BS...........Notre Dame ABSOLUTELY DID NOT have 30 players drafted from 01 to 06

So nice effort to support your point with total BS......but that's another failure by you?

Hey stupid, furthermore, you do realize that kelly was coaching cinci in 2009 right?

Do you know when the 2010 NFL draft took place? Hint it was long before kelly coached his first down at ND.

Why would you include the 2010 ND draftees in kelly's total?

The first round of the 2010 NFL draft took place on 4/22/2010.

The gnome coached his first game at ND on 9/4/2010. hahahahaha

His first year of ND NFL draftees would be the 2011 draft.

You can't count, you don't know how a calendar works....

You really shouldn't be doing board PR work for the little underachiever.

I will await your response on the latest calendar snafu.

It will give me great joy to see you come up with something....

Man you are one dumb person....

 

[jameskroner3]

The pictures you post on line make you a sophomoric internet nerd - I cannot think of a worse thing to be in life -- oh yeah who is the shithead in the cowboy hat ?? Is that the " bring em on " Fubar

Lol. Good one guy. Obviously you have zero taste in humorous TV shoes. Not to mention zero creativity for making fun of something that is right in front of your face. I have a suggestion. Why don't you refute the posts in ITT with some substance.

Also, before you take a stab at a member of my family, why don't you state your political views and whom(King Obama no doubt)you voted for. Let's make it fair shall we?

 

[jameskroner3]

Btw. I like how @TheDecker points to winning 8 games a year consistently as some sort of great achievement. @allaboutthecash is right. NDs fans have massively lowered expectations. The norm should be when this year is considered a disappointment. Those are my expectations of ND football.

 

[cgvr]

Btw. I like how @TheDecker points to winning 8 games a year consistently as some sort of great achievement. @allaboutthecash is right. NDs fans have massively lowered expectations. The norm should be when this year is considered a disappointment. Those are my expectations of ND football.

Oh, he's just the latest in a long line of idiots. He likes to make things up, then attribute them to people and then call then names. I'm sure he can chase his shadow for hours. His expertise is tilting at windmills....

8-5 is a .615 WP historically we are at .73

9 wins doesn't keep pace with that. 10 exceeds it.... some examples...

Holtz .76
Devine .76
Ara .836
Leahy .855
Rockne .881

Here's a good link...

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/active/n/notre_dame/coaching_records.php

 

[jameskroner3]

Listen. I give Kelly credit. The depth he has built is something ND hasn't had since Holtz. So that's good. The talent has absolutely been upgraded at certain positions. Others not at all. Mainly defense. That falls on him too though. Next years team should be very good despite the departures. Unfortunately because of his choice in DC ND will not be able to make the playoffs. I think they probably get into the conversation like this year, mainly because of the schedule, but when it comes time to compete with the big boys they will fall flat. Is it fair to say Jaylon Smith is the most talented player ND has had in 25 years yet despite being the Butkus winner, he barely scratched the surface of his potential? That is scary that the DC was unable to get a once in a generation player to play up to his potential.

 

[cgvr]

Listen. I give Kelly credit. The depth he has built is something ND hasn't had since Holtz. So that's good. The talent has absolutely been upgraded at certain positions. Others not at all. Mainly defense. That falls on him too though. Next years team should be very good despite the departures. Unfortunately because of his choice in DC ND will not be able to make the playoffs. I think they probably get into the conversation like this year, mainly because of the schedule, but when it comes time to compete with the big boys they will fall flat. Is it fair to say Jaylon Smith is the most talented player ND has had in 25 years yet despite being the Butkus winner, he barely scratched the surface of his potential? That is scary that the DC

kelly's an upgrade over the prior 3 regimes and no one has ever said otherwise. So, he's better than 2 guys with zero HC experience and one that grew up hating ND. I swear willingham and his msu buddies have to be laughing their ba**s off at us. I can see them sitting around a keg, "Yeah my mortal enemy made me their head coach and gave me millions to golf everyday hahahahha. Hey, get me another beer. I did everything I could do to drive their program into the ground....hahahaha"

You are correct about our D. We need to be consistently in the top 10 there. 'bama is on a ridiculous tear. Plus, we have special teams problems. (love our kicking game and where it's heading) Our Red Zone performance needs to get better.... We need to figure out how top get Wimbush on the field. That kid can motor. Lots of things to button down...

ND is always going to attract great talent. Listen to what Jaylon says about kelly's eagles interview and how little kelly being at ND meant to his decision to commit.... It begins around the 48 second mark... I'm sure the troops will love this...



As for your question about the last 25 years Tim Brown was just beyond that window, but there are some good names in this link.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?abbr=N&collegeName=Notre+Dame&abbrFlag=0&type=school

I wish Jaylon was sticking around.....

 

[TheDecker]

Actually, you made up a quote and are attempting to attribute it to me.

I never wrote what you've quoted which makes you dishonest, "Teams that were highly ranked when we played them, under Kelly"

I wrote, "Name a team that was in the top 10 when we've played that kelly has beaten. I'm pretty sure Oklahoma was # 8 and we were # 5."

You came up with msu at # 10 in '12.

You went off on a wild little goose chase with some other events which was quite entertaining. It's hard to believe that 5 teams in your sample set ended up unranked.... It's even more difficult to believe that you don't know the meaning of top 10 which is what I asked for..... At least I know why sometimes my burger orders get messed up.

You still won't answer where msu was ranked the day of the 2013 game.... tough to find eh?

Why did you leave msu 2013 off your little list? 'bama? clemson? You aren't exactly a halogen....

kelly's a pipsqueak and no matter how hard you try to lie and bolster his accomplishments it ain't gonna work.

Your last sentence is the closest to reality that you've managed

Still off though

The reality is

"Kelly is a high level CFB and no matter how many totally irrefutable facts I'm presented with supporting this, I'll continue to stick my ear in the sand and deny, deny, deny...like the moron everyone know that I am"

That's what I love about you @cgvr, no matter how badly you've been exposed, no matter how thoroughly debunked your ridiculous "opinions" have been shwon to be....your not to afraid to stick your head in the sand and ignore reality

It's amusing to watch

 

[TheDecker]

Listen. I give Kelly credit. The depth he has built is something ND hasn't had since Holtz. So that's good. The talent has absolutely been upgraded at certain positions. Others not at all. Mainly defense. That falls on him too though. Next years team should be very good despite the departures. Unfortunately because of his choice in DC ND will not be able to make the playoffs. I think they probably get into the conversation like this year, mainly because of the schedule, but when it comes time to compete with the big boys they will fall flat. Is it fair to say Jaylon Smith is the most talented player ND has had in 25 years yet despite being the Butkus winner, he barely scratched the surface of his potential? That is scary that the DC was unable to get a once in a generation player to play up to his potential.

I like how you call a consensus all American, the Butkus award winner, and a 1st round draft pick "barley scratching the surface"

What would you have acknowledged as acceptable play from Jaylon? Being the greatest LB to ever play? Only exclusive defensive player to win the Heisman?

Dear God man.....you've completely jumped the shark now

I'm In embarrassed for you

 

[TheDecker]

Actually, you made up a quote and are attempting to attribute it to me.

I never wrote what you've quoted which makes you dishonest, "Teams that were highly ranked when we played them, under Kelly"

I wrote, "Name a team that was in the top 10 when we've played that kelly has beaten. I'm pretty sure Oklahoma was # 8 and we were # 5."

You came up with msu at # 10 in '12.

You went off on a wild little goose chase with some other events which was quite entertaining. It's hard to believe that 5 teams in your sample set ended up unranked.... It's even more difficult to believe that you don't know the meaning of top 10 which is what I asked for..... At least I know why sometimes my burger orders get messed up.

You still won't answer where msu was ranked the day of the 2013 game.... tough to find eh?

Why did you leave msu 2013 off your little list? 'bama? clemson? You aren't exactly a halogen....

kelly's a pipsqueak and no matter how hard you try to lie and bolster his accomplishments it ain't gonna work.

So let me get this straight...

Kelly had beaten 2 team that were ranked in the Top10 when he played them...but you're claiming he can't beat teams that are good at the moment

Kelly beat the 2013 Michigan State team, in the field...not a hypothetical. But you're claiming that history shows that a coach/team that beat the very opponent you're talking about....as well as beating multiple other teams ranked in the Top10 at the time they landed them....would lose to that same team???

Damn, I hope those nurses made your shot extra big tonight

The regular shot and padded room just doesn't cut it for your kind of special

Truly impressive levels of stupid

 

[TheDecker]

Again you are lying. I did not write that ND did "have 30 players drafted from 01 to 06"

I accurately wrote

"from '02-'07 we had 30....."

Heck, you're a guy that couldn't count to 4......

You're just a liar and stupid.... not a good combo...

1 2007 1 22 Brady Quinn QB Cleveland Browns
2 2007 2 57 Victor Abiamiri DE Philadelphia Eagles
3 2007 3 70 Ryan Harris OT Denver Broncos
4 2007 5 166 Derek Landri DT Jacksonville Jaguars
5 2007 6 202 Mike Richardson DB New England Patriots
6 2007 7 230 Dan Santucci G Cincinnati Bengals
7 2007 7 253 Chinedum Ndukwe DB Cincinnati Bengals
8 2006 2 53 Anthony Fasano TE Dallas Cowboys
9 2006 3 90 Maurice Stovall WR Tampa Bay Buccaneers
10 2006 6 205 Dan Stevenson G New England Patriots
11 2005 3 74 Justin Tuck DE New York Giants
12 2005 5 144 Jerome Collins TE St. Louis Rams
13 2004 2 43 Julius Jones RB Dallas Cowboys
14 2004 2 60 Courtney Watson MLB New Orleans Saints
15 2004 4 122 Glenn Earl SS Houston Texans
16 2004 6 170 Vontez Duff CB Houston Texans
17 2004 6 180 Jim Molinaro T Washington Redskins
18 2003 1 21 Jeff Faine C Cleveland Browns
19 2003 5 153 Jordan Black G Kansas City Chiefs
20 2003 5 168 Sean Mahan G Tampa Bay Buccaneers
21 2003 5 170 Shane Walton CB St. Louis Rams
22 2003 6 182 Gerome Sapp DB Baltimore Ravens
23 2003 6 197 Arnaz Battle WR San Francisco 49ers
24 2003 6 212 Brennan Curtin T Green Bay Packers
25 2002 2 52 Anthony Weaver DE Baltimore Ravens
26 2002 4 133 Rocky Boiman LB Tennessee Titans
27 2002 5 138 John Owens TE Detroit Lions
28 2002 6 198 Tyreo Harrison LB Philadelphia Eagles
29 2002 6 206 Javin Hunter WR Baltimore Ravens
30 2002 7 253 David Givens WR New England Patriots

Do you like apples? What a dunce....

You realize that the first 6 years of Kelly's tenure will actually put out more overall draft picks than this random 6 year you go to pick out from multi owl coaching tenures with 20/20 hindsight...right?

Also, more 1st round draft picks too

In fact, you couldn't make a quicker and easier argument for Kelly improving the overall talent of the program so effecorcely if you tried

Thanks for completely proving my point for me!!!

Now back to your padded room little buddy!

 

[TheDecker]

Btw. I like how @TheDecker points to winning 8 games a year consistently as some sort of great achievement. @allaboutthecash is right. NDs fans have massively lowered expectations. The norm should be when this year is considered a disappointment. Those are my expectations of ND football.

You're expectations don't matter for sh*t

You don't get to jump from bad to amazing...especially not with the restrictions ND self imposes

ND needs to be consistently solid with some very good eats before we'll be able to be constantly very good with sole great years

That's what we're seeing

Pointing out that Kelly is the first coach for decades to bring that kind of consistency is far from a bad thing or a cop out...since it's not the final step/goal...and Kelly has already shown (repeatedly) that the program is capable of more with him at the helm

But I wouldn't expect someone associated with a troll as old as cash to understand that

Hell, cash has been trolling here even before I was around

Dude is an old school troll

 

[TheDecker]

Oh, he's just the latest in a long line of idiots. He likes to make things up, then attribute them to people and then call then names. I'm sure he can chase his shadow for hours. His expertise is tilting at windmills....

8-5 is a .615 WP historically we are at .73

9 wins doesn't keep pace with that. 10 exceeds it.... some examples...

Holtz .76
Devine .76
Ara .836
Leahy .855
Rockne .881

Here's a good link...

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/active/n/notre_dame/coaching_records.php

So tell me more about how Kelly always wilts under pressure, and wouldn't beat any Top10 teams (ranked at the time he plays them)

Then tell me more about how we wouldn't beat MSU 2013.....that comment by you was a classic

And can we revisit your flip-flopping with "teeams ranked when we played them" and suddenly
Wanting to talk about where they finished

Should we start listing teams Kelly has beaten that finished ranked??!
(Spoiler alert...that list will have your nurse putting you to bed the quick way too!)

 

[cgvr]

You realize that the first 6 years of Kelly's tenure will actually put out more overall draft picks than this random 6 year you go to pick out from multi owl coaching tenures with 20/20 hindsight...right?

Also, more 1st round draft picks too

In fact, you couldn't make a quicker and easier argument for Kelly improving the overall talent of the program so effecorcely if you tried

Thanks for completely proving my point for me!!!

Now back to your padded room little buddy!

You really are just stupid.

You asked:
"1. How far back do you have to go to find a 6-Year span with 30+ NFL Draft Picks?"

I provided the correct answer ('02-'07) which you tried to dishonestly change to ('01-'06). Once again you were lying as the posts are all here. Now my accurate answer to your dumb-ass question is random? Hahaha

You also were adding 2010 draft picks into kelly's total to further prove how stupid you are. That's funny.

You also wrote:

"And since when is raw number of players drafted a decent metric for anything?"

Now you want to hang your hat on it. Well done!! Talk about duplicity...

There have been 20 players drafted in kelly's previous 5 years. That's an average of 4 players per year.
Do you know how to do division?

He's below Davie (4.2) and Willingham (4.66) and .2 ahead of weis (3.8) and close to 3 players per year behind Holtz (6.7).

What are your player development thoughts on those numbers? Hahaha

Going back to the early 70's, through now, ND historically averaged over 5 players per yr drafted by the NFL.

Again, kelly is under performing recent and historic regimes. He had 1 player drafted last year. Koyack round 7. Wow, he's an amazing developer of talent!

Here's recap for you of what I believe to be kelly's best wins at ND.

9/15/12 kelly beat # 10 AP msu ND was ranked # 20 at the time.
10/13/12 kelly beat # 17 Stanford ND was ranked # 5 at the time
10/21/12 kelly beat # 8 Oklahoma ND was ranked # 5 at the time.
9/21/13 kelly beat unranked msu ND was ranked # 22.

This is an amazing 6 year big game resume. Wow, when you couple that with the Music City bowl I can't believe he hasn't taken over the Dallas Cowboys!!! HC/GM the whole deal....

You asked, "So tell me more about how Kelly always wilts under pressure, and wouldn't beat any Top 10 teams (ranked at the time he plays them)". By my count he's beaten 2 and in one of the games we were ranked higher and Oklahoma finished at #15.. Interestingly in the other, that '12 msu team finished un-ranked....

PS I hope you enjoy(ed) Jaylon’s remarks.
He made it quite clear that he couldn’t have cared less if kelly left for the eagles. Start around the 48 second mark.



As I’ve said ND is the draw for players not the portly vulgar elf, hahahaha

"You realize that the first 6 years of Kelly's tenure will actually put out more overall draft picks than this random 6 year you go to pick out from multi owl coaching tenures with 20/20 hindsight...right?"

Wow, we're going to have 11 guys drafted this year. Who knew? what a dope....

 

[NDSMC78]

Btw. I like how @TheDecker points to winning 8 games a year consistently as some sort of great achievement. @allaboutthecash is right. NDs fans have massively lowered expectations. The norm should be when this year is considered a disappointment. Those are my expectations of ND football.

This is really a bunch of crap. Funny--up until the past few days, I never saw you post here before. Now, in every post you make, you voice your agreement with cash. I guess I will have to regard you as just another flamer.

 

[allaboutthecash]

After reading all these posts it is obvious that the ND fans had lowered their expectations and standards because of the previous coaches. ND fans are arguing that winning 10 games is great despite the best win being vs Navy and losing to the only 3 teams with a pulse. ND fans are now happy with winning 8-10 games, losing basically every major game to a power 5 team as long as they aren't as bad as TY, Davie and Weis.
6 years later Kelly has beat a remarkably low percentage of teams to finish ranked but that is ok with ND fans as long as he wins 8 or more beating up the likes of Umass , army, navy, Air Force , Purdue, wake forest etc.
ND new slogan "win like a champion at least 8 times a year and ND fans will now be happy"!!

 

[jameskroner3]

I like how you call a consensus all American, the Butkus award winner, and a 1st round draft pick "barley scratching the surface"

What would you have acknowledged as acceptable play from Jaylon? Being the greatest LB to ever play? Only exclusive defensive player to win the Heisman?

Dear God man.....you've completely jumped the shark now

I'm In embarrassed for you

I'm embarrassing? That's hilarious coming from you. BTW. You can be all those things mentioned and still just be scratching the surface. I see you took that as a knock to Jaylon too didn't you? Also, I am definitely not the only one with that assessment.

 

[jameskroner3]

You're expectations don't matter for sh*t

You don't get to jump from bad to amazing...especially not with the restrictions ND self imposes

ND needs to be consistently solid with some very good eats before we'll be able to be constantly very good with sole great years

That's what we're seeing

Pointing out that Kelly is the first coach for decades to bring that kind of consistency is far from a bad thing or a cop out...since it's not the final step/goal...and Kelly has already shown (repeatedly) that the program is capable of more with him at the helm

But I wouldn't expect someone associated with a troll as old as cash to understand that

Hell, cash has been trolling here even before I was around

Dude is an old school troll

The anger at which you speak is hilarious.

 

[jameskroner3]

This is really a bunch of crap. Funny--up until the past few days, I never saw you post here before. Now, in every post you make, you voice your agreement with cash. I guess I will have to regard you as just another flamer.

That's because I pay for premium access. And I am far from a flamer.

 

[BGI User 1596]

After eating all these posts it is obvious that the ND fans had lowered their expectations and standards because of the previous coaches. ND fans are arguing that winning 10 games is great despite the best win being vs Navy and losing to the only 3 teams with a pulse. ND fans are now happy with winning 8-10 games, losing basically every major game to a power 5 team as long as they aren't as bad as TY, Davie and Weis.
6 years later Kelly has beat a remarkably low percentage of teams to finish ranked but that is ok with ND fans as long as he wins 8 or more beating up the likes of Umass , army, navy, Air Force , Purdue, wake forest etc.
ND new slogan "win like a champion at least 8 times a year and ND fans will now be happy"!!

Not all ND fans have settled for the New Normal - lots of defenders of mediocrity on the board reflecting there lowest common denominator backgrounds.

 

[NDSMC78]

That's because I pay for premium access. And I am far from a flamer.

Disagree.

 

[jameskroner3]

Disagree.

Maybe you should find the definition of a flamer and then go read my posts and let me know which ones were flames. I'll wait.

See, the thing is people don't like facts that don't jive with their point of view. When confronted with them they proclaim that the poster is a flamer.

 

[NDSMC78]

Maybe you should find the definition of a flamer and then go read my posts and let me know which ones were flames. I'll wait.

See, the thing is people don't like facts that don't jive with their point of view. When confronted with them they proclaim that the poster is a flamer.

Oh, bullshit. Critical viewpoints are frequently basis for good discussion and not flames. But that is not the case here.
Cash has been posting nothing but flames for days here. It has nothing to do with his "point of view." He is posting merely to stir the pot and get a rise out of people. Saying "Kelly sucks" over and over is not legitimate discussion. Saying "Kelly hasn't won any big games" over and over is not only wrong, but is not a basis for legitimate discussion. Maybe this is what passes for good discussion on the pay board---it doesn't cut it here.
You have repeatedly stated your approval of his posts and added what a great guy you think he is. Birds of a feather, as they say...

 

[jameskroner3]

Oh, bullshit. Critical viewpoints are frequently basis for good discussion and not flames. But that is not the case here.
Cash has been posting nothing but flames for days here. It has nothing to do with his "point of view." He is posting merely to stir the pot and get a rise out of people. Saying "Kelly sucks" over and over is not legitimate discussion. Saying "Kelly hasn't won any big games" over and over is not only wrong, but is not a basis for legitimate discussion. Maybe this is what passes for good discussion on the pay board---it doesn't cut it here.
You have repeatedly stated your approval of his posts and added what a great guy you think he is. Birds of a feather, as they say...

Cash is a great guy. As loyal as a person as you will find. He is also very fair. In fact after the FSU game last year he legitimately praised ND and Kelly with their play and play calling. Unfortunately like many, he was fooled once again.

As far as big wins, Oklahoma was a big win in 2012, MSU in 2013. Then what do we have? Stanford also 2012. ND and a lot of their fans seem to be king of the moral victory, which admittedly there has been some "almost" games.

 

[NDSMC78]

Cash is not a great guy. He is a dick. The fact that you repeatedly said that he is a great guy tells me all I need to know about you.

 

[Classic Irish]

Cash is not a great guy. He is a dick. The fact that you repeatedly said that he is a great guy tells me all I need to know about you.

Isn't it obvious that jameskroner3 and allaboutthecash are one in the same?

 

[NDSMC78]

Isn't it obvious that jameskroner3 and allaboutthecash are one in the same?

The thought crossed my mind, but I am giving him the benefit of the doubt for now.

 

[Classic Irish]

Not all ND fans have settled for the New Normal - lots of defenders of mediocrity on the board reflecting there lowest common denominator backgrounds.

You mistake the realistic and pragmatic as being defenders of mediocrity. Too many of the anti-Kelly crowd (dare I say most) still think that Urban Meyer, Jon Gruden, or Nick Saban would come to ND if we offered the job. This is complete nonsense. I'm still waiting to hear of a realistic alternative to Kelly that would be an improvement and would take take the job. Names like Tom Herman and Matt Rhule are intriguing but are far from being a guaranteed improvement. In other words, I need to see more from these coaches. Critics also mention Mike Sanford. Haven't we learned from Bob Davie and Charlie Weis that ND is not the place to start one's career as a head coach? Ultimately, I think there's a difference between being critical of Kelly and being irrational.

 

[IrishBlessings]

The thought crossed my mind, but I am giving him the benefit of the doubt for now.

Its the same person. Ignore their dribble.

 

[twalsh]

Cash is a great guy. As loyal as a person as you will find.

Are you freakin' serious??? Loyal to whom? If 95% of the threads a poster starts are negative in tone or substance, you are either a flamer, a troll, a miserable SOB, or some combination of all of those. Being truthful or "calling a spade a spade" means recognizing both the positives and negatives of a situation. It doesn't mean harping incessantly on what you view as the negatives and ignoring the positives. There are sunshine pumpers and black cloud pumpers, and neither brings any more value than the other.

 

[jameskroner3]

Isn't it obvious that jameskroner3 and allaboutthecash are one in the same?

Obvious would mean there is truth to that. There is zero truth there.

 

[jameskroner3]

The thought crossed my mind, but I am giving him the benefit of the doubt for now.

At least you have some sense to you.

 

[jameskroner3]

Are you freakin' serious??? Loyal to whom? If 95% of the threads a poster starts are negative in tone or substance, you are either a flamer, a troll, a miserable SOB, or some combination of all of those. Being truthful or "calling a spade a spade" means recognizing both the positives and negatives of a situation. It doesn't mean harping incessantly on what you view as the negatives and ignoring the positives. There are sunshine pumpers and black cloud pumpers, and neither brings any more value than the other.

Yes. Very serious.

 

[Classic Irish]

Obvious would mean there is truth to that. There is zero truth there.

Sure, whatever you say. It's funny that you think you have any credibility. Lol

 

[TheDecker]

The anger at which you speak is hilarious.

Exactly the response exepcted by those in WAY over their heads

Re-posting for a better response. Take your time with this:


You're expectations don't matter for sh*t

You don't get to jump from bad to amazing...especially not with the restrictions ND self imposes

ND needs to be consistently solid with some very good eats before we'll be able to be constantly very good with sole great years

That's what we're seeing

Pointing out that Kelly is the first coach for decades to bring that kind of consistency is far from a bad thing or a cop out...since it's not the final step/goal...and Kelly has already shown (repeatedly) that the program is capable of more with him at the helm

But I wouldn't expect someone associated with a troll as old as cash to understand that

Hell, cash has been trolling here even before I was around

Dude is an old school troll

 

[TheDecker]

Maybe you should find the definition of a flamer and then go read my posts and let me know which ones were flames. I'll wait.

See, the thing is people don't like facts that don't jive with their point of view. When confronted with them they proclaim that the poster is a flamer.

You're the one ignoring actual facts

And I can tell you're a flamer....but that has nothing to do with your posting style

 

[jameskroner3]

Exactly the response exepcted by those in WAY over their heads

Re-posting for a better response. Take your time with this:


You're expectations don't matter for sh*t

You don't get to jump from bad to amazing...especially not with the restrictions ND self imposes

ND needs to be consistently solid with some very good eats before we'll be able to be constantly very good with sole great years

That's what we're seeing

Pointing out that Kelly is the first coach for decades to bring that kind of consistency is far from a bad thing or a cop out...since it's not the final step/goal...and Kelly has already shown (repeatedly) that the program is capable of more with him at the helm

But I wouldn't expect someone associated with a troll as old as cash to understand that

Hell, cash has been trolling here even before I was around

Dude is an old school troll

There is a reason you are laughed at and banned on every pay board. It's because you are a clown and incapable of discussion without getting irate. I used to avoid threads with you in them and could never understand the disdain people had for you. But I see it now. You really are just an angry man with Napoleon's Complex. Anytime anyone remotely challenges you on anything or disagrees you try to use the Peacock method of spreading your tail. Presumably while standing on a chair shouting at the computer.

 

[hvillebill]

Since Kelly's arrival all his 1st year year QB's had success. Crist, Rees and Golson all started off very successful but as ND fans know all 3 of these ended quite badly. Every Qb under Kelly has regressed in their second year. Kizer had one of his worse games vs OSU despite OSU missing 3 starting Dlineman.
When Kelly has a 1st year qb he simplifies things and it goes well, the second year he opens up the playbook has the qb thinking too much and that is when disaster has set in. The QB's than start turning the ball over, holding onto the ball to long etc and making bad decisions.

I know Zaire will fight for the starting job but Kizer was great this year it will be difficult to take his job unless of course he regresses in his 2nd year as all of Kelly's QB's have done.

Here's a question for you:

Will Treon Harris regress in 2016?

Whoops; too late. He already did.

 

[TheDecker]

There is a reason you are laughed at and banned on every pay board. It's because you are a clown and incapable of discussion without getting irate. I used to avoid threads with you in them and could never understand the disdain people had for you. But I see it now. You really are just an angry man with Napoleon's Complex. Anytime anyone remotely challenges you on anything or disagrees you try to use the Peacock method of spreading your tail. Presumably while standing on a chair shouting at the computer.

LOL

More deflection, instead of addressing the topic

Try again, extra slow this time:



You're expectations don't matter for sh*t

You don't get to jump from bad to amazing...especially not with the restrictions ND self imposes

ND needs to be consistently solid with some very good eats before we'll be able to be constantly very good with sole great years

That's what we're seeing

Pointing out that Kelly is the first coach for decades to bring that kind of consistency is far from a bad thing or a cop out...since it's not the final step/goal...and Kelly has already shown (repeatedly) that the program is capable of more with him at the helm

But I wouldn't expect someone associated with a troll as old as cash to understand that

Hell, cash has been trolling here even before I was around

Dude is an old school troll

 

[jameskroner3]

LOL
More deflection, instead of addressing the topic
Try again, extra slow this time:
You're expectations don't matter for sh*t: Why? Because you say so?

You don't get to jump from bad to amazing...especially not with the restrictions ND self imposes: LOL. Yes. The restrictions. Yet Stanford has even more restrictions yet has accomplished a hell of a lot more and came from a worse place than ND in the last 8 years.

ND needs to be consistently solid with some very good eats before we'll be able to be constantly very good with sole great years: So what is your timeline on this? 6 years isn't enough? ND has had 1 great year under Kelly. 1 good year. 4 mediocre.

That's what we're seeing: No we are not as just explained.

Pointing out that Kelly is the first coach for decades to bring that kind of consistency is far from a bad thing or a cop out...since it's not the final step/goal...and Kelly has already shown (repeatedly) that the program is capable of more with him at the helm: Like I said. If your are satisfied with consistent 8 win years good for you.

But I wouldn't expect someone associated with a troll as old as cash to understand that: Like it or not Cash knows more about football than you ever will. Plus, unlike you, he actually played football so he kind of understands the game better too.

Hell, cash has been trolling here even before I was around: You say troll, I see facts and conversation. Instead of jumping all over anybody who doesn't agree with your orange sliced sunshine pumping views, I can actually sift through it all and come to a unbiased conclusion

Dude is an old school troll: And you are one of the least liked ND posters in the history of Rivals so you got that going for you

My God you are an insufferable ****. I'm not sure why I am bothering because all you will do is tell me how right you are.