Geez, man, I know you don't like Kelly but you've got to give him some credit. Oklahoma was about # 5 when we played them. We whipped them. And MSU improved as the season went on. We beat them too. Enjoy the wins when they come along.
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Geez, man, I know you don't like Kelly but you've got to give him some credit. Oklahoma was about # 5 when we played them. We whipped them. And MSU improved as the season went on. We beat them too. Enjoy the wins when they come along.
Going in ND was #5 and oklahoma was # 8 at 5-1.
After the game ND bumped to # 4 and Oklahoma dropped to # 14.
That was by far and away my favorite game of kelly's. We really had it together and played as well rounded a game as I had seen in years.
That's very cool. The atmosphere looked electric. That was a phenomenal patient coaching/team effort at a very tough place to win. The 4th 1/4 is up there as an all time highlight. Wood's run and Brown's catch brought back memories of a lot of glory.
It was a great time. We happened to hook up with some really nice OU fans who treated us like kings. After the game, they were quite magnanimous and effusive in their praise for ND. A lot of them came back to South Bend and joined up with us the followng year. Needless to say, the final result was not as good.
Good for you guys. There's a guy out here that's an oklahoma grad/anesthesiologist. World class values....lot's of fun. I've met a few others and they're right in line with your experience. I don't know why...maybe the switzer years... I expected something different. That next game was rough stuff....
Yeah, I have been to a lot of places over the years to see ND play. The Oklahoma fans are among the top 4 fanbases I have ever encountered.
they were 3 for 3 in the red zone @ the fiesta bowl. What was terrible... special teams ugh! The D was average DKizer was not good; he improved a little as the game went on but he was short arming or over throwing the ball and holding the ball too long
That's usually what happens in a coaches first 4-5 years. Almost everyone old enough to leave the program for the NFL is by definition recruited by the previous regime.
Your trying to bash Kelly for developing the players on the team enwas handed into more 1st Round draft picks than all the coaches since Holtz, combined...........lol
And now he's going to have 2-3 of his own recruits go in the 1st Round of the draft too
Kelly is trending towards having the talent on the team get back to where it was with Holtz.
I bet that really burns you up dormant it??
I love how you just can't handle actual facts and have to try to post some skewed crap to try and cope
Reality is a tough, tough place for losers like you
Ahhhhh the old "replay the game in a hypothetical and change the outcome" maneuver
That's a classic for people who's point has been completely and totally debunked but still can't cope with reality
Do the padded walls feel like they're closing in on you when you try to ignore reality like that?
I've always wondered...??
It's called a factual recap of the circumstances surrounding the game. You're incapable of debunking anything and are apparently unglued.
Just the facts....the 4 first rounders kelly stated weren't his guys. You can take that up with him.
It really burns you that the 4 guys you referenced were recruited by weis and insulted by kelly....
Why do you keep saying that? I go to games all the time and the first thing I do when I get home is watch the televised game. I enjoy going to games, but outside of wide receivers, I can see more on TV. I'm glad you went to the game. I love going to the games for atmosphere, etc. And I'm sure you don't get as much of a chance being in Zona. I just don't get the idea of thinking you see more in person. Even coaches comment they need to watch the film.
That's the only one he has on the road. I say give him a lifetime contract for it.
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not sure why this would bother you. The view I had was outstanding. and they had tv screens. So how else should I have framed it not to upset you geez
"Factual Recap" = Ignoring the facts, that were clearly played out on the field, and deciding the team THATBLOST THE GAME was better because T fits your agenda
You've been debunked
Time to hang it up skippy
That's literally always true (by definition) when a coach takes over a new program. All the guys that go to the NFL the first 3-5 years "aren't his guys"
Martin and Eifert never played a snap for Weiss
Stanley, Jaylon, and maybe Fuller with be 1st Round Picks and "Kelly Guys"
Plus...many of the draft picks you pointed to weren't there coaches guys...but logical inconsistencies like that seem sloth ft to your tiny mind, don't they??
Basic facts like these must really burn you
Kelly is generating more talent in the program than all the coaches since Holtz combined, and trending back towards Holtz level of talent
Deal with it!
For a guy that can’t count to 4 you sure are feisty. Let me make this real easy for you.
On Sept 21, 2013 # 22 ranked Notre Dame beat unranked msu. Here is a link to the season long rankings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_rankings
As you can see in weeks 1, 2, 3 & 4 michigan state was not ranked. Notre Dame started ranked # 14 and had dropped to # 22.
After Notre Dame’s win the Chicago Tribune’s article headlined: “Irish work in progress takes another step It's hard to know if Notre Dame's 17-13 victory over Michigan State was hard-fought or just plain luck”
Here’s the link:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...0922_1_zack-martin-irish-work-davaris-daniels
The article contained the following among other things:
“After a barge-load of miscues and grime from both sides, the No. 22 Irish survived with a 17-13 victory over Michigan State. If the result is all that matters, the story pretty much ends there.”
If you continue with the 2013 rankings you will see that msu made its’ debut in the top 25 on October 27th (Week 9). They cracked the top ten at # 10 in week 14 (Dec 1) by week 16 they were #3..
So, the best win of kelly’s 6 year tenure came against an unranked team which finally became ranked a month later and climbed to number 3 months after the game..
Had msu been ranked # 3 heading into the ND contest kelly would have pooped himself. You may disagree with me on that, but I have history on my side….
I never said that msu was better that day. You just enjoy making things up. The final polls had them at # 3 and us at # 20. It was a big win for ND, but no one knew it at the time....
As for being debunked, it’s fascinating that you go to other fans sites, make an idiot out of yourself and get banned. Holy crap, a poster came over here to call you out. How many handles do you operate under? You are quite the ignorant turd. Try to debunk that….
Thanks for the continued chuckles.
PS In October 2011 it was nice to see kelly have to apologize for disrespecting all of weis' recruits. He made it clear that Manti, others... weren't his guys....
Manti Te’o tweeted “Playin for my bros and that’s it!!!!”
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LOL
Nothing better than an idiot claiming the hypothetical loss.....to a team we actually beat on the field.....saying he has history on his side
That's the kind of super-retard-power you usually have to pay extra for
You logical inconsistency is AMAZING
- You want to discredit ND's win over a Michigan State team that finished in the Top5, won the Big10, won the Rose Bowl, etc......because they weren't ranked when we beat them (lol @ that type of logic btw.....it's beyond stupid)
- You want to discredit ND's win over Oklahoma (@Oklahoma) because they ended up losing more games and dropping in the rankings after we beat them
- Same with ND's win over a ranked USC, Georgia Tech, Stanford, LSU, Michigan, etc....because they ended up dropping in the rankings
Sorry that history isn't on your side, at all
I did not discredit the win I put it in correct historical context. In fact I have recognized the msu game as kelly's best win while at ND along with Stanford '12 and oklahoma. You just like to make stuff up and then name call.
Do I believe that kelly would have beaten msu if they had come in at # 3? Of course not. He consistently melts under the brightest lights.
Name a team that was in the top 10 when we've played that kelly has beaten.
I'm pretty sure Oklahoma was # 8 and we were # 5.
btw Holtz aveaged 6.7 players drafted into the NFL per annum...
kelly isn't close and he's barely outpacing willingham...
Thanks for the guffaws. PS your use of the word "retard" is unfortunate, but you've proven your ignorance on ND, its policies and accomplishments over and over to the point where you are getting tossed off of our rivals message boards. You are less than bright and quite frankly deranged and ignorant....
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LOL
I love how you keep trying to defend you logical inconsistencies, and continue to make up absolute bullsh*t........it's pure gold
Notre Dame beat Michigan State, end of story
Michigan State won the Big10, won the Rose Bowl, and finished in the Top5.......and Notre Dame beat them
As far as your "Kelly Can't Beat Highly Ranked Teams at the Time" claim...........thanks for tossing more BS out there
Oklahoma was ranked 8th when we beat them in 2012
Michigan State was ranked 10th when we beat them in 2012
Utah was ranked 14th when we beat them in 2010
Stanford was ranked 14th when we beat them in 2014
Georgia Tech was ranked 14th when we beat them in 2015
Michigan State was ranked 15th when we beat them in 2011
Michigan was ranked 18th when we beat them in 2012
Stanford was ranked 17th when we beat them in 2012
Arizona State was ranked 22nd when we beat them in 2013
LSU was ranked 23rd when we beat them in 2014
So other than beating multiple Top10 teams, several Top25 teams, and at least 1 "Ranked at the Time Team" every single year............you totally have a valid point
Dude
You get what you earn
Your total lack of any basis in fact or reality and complete inability to be logically consistent make you an idiot
Tell me, prior to Kelly
He needs to take the next step to be a "Holtz Level" coach, but he's got the program headed in that direction
Sorry these facts seem to irk you so badly
- How far back do you have to go to find a 6-Year span with 10+ wins over team ranked in the Top25 at the time of the game?
- How far back do you have to go to find a 6-year span with 10+ wins over teams that finished ranked in the Top25?
- How far back do you have to go to find a 6-Year span with no fewer than 8 wins per season?
- How far back do you have to go to find a 6-Year span with 6+ 1st Round draft picks?
- How far back do you have to go to find a 6-Year span with 30+ NFL Draft Picks?
- etc.
- etc.
- etc
He needs to take the next step to be a "Holtz Level" coach, but he's got the program headed in that direction
Sorry these facts seem to irk you so badly
Kelly is the best ND coach since Holtz" who said he wasn't? That is a very low bar by the way.
Even weis made it to 2 major bowl games.... The 8 win per season stat is bolstered by more games played. plus 8-5 seasons are .615 winning percentage which blows by ND historic standards. Keep up the chest thumping though.
4 of the first round picks were not kelly's guys...ask him.... Let's see how this draft pans out before you give kelly 2.
Where are you getting 30 draft picks from? from '02-'07 we had 30.....
LOL
Logical inconsistencies? How come msu isn't on your list, bama? clemson?....
I asked you to "Name a team that was in the top 10 when we've played that kelly has beaten."You avoided that question like the plague. He wilts....
Here's your murderer's row.... thanks for the continued laughs... 5 of your 10 teams finished unranked, 2 were above 20.... It's nice how you don't want to use msu's '13 game day ranking, but use their final ranking....
How come you aren't using final rankings for this list....
...pretty inconsistent on your part No?
You are an ignoramus....
Utah was ranked 14th when we beat them in 2010 finished unranked
Michigan State was ranked 15th when we beat them in 2011 finished # 11
Oklahoma was ranked 8th when we beat them in 2012 finished 15
Michigan State was ranked 10th when we beat them in 2012 finished unranked
Michigan was ranked 18th when we beat them in 2012 finished # 24
Stanford was ranked 17th when we beat them in 2012 finished # 7
Arizona State was ranked 22nd when we beat them in 2013 finished # 21
Stanford was ranked 14th when we beat them in 2014 finished unranked
LSUwas ranked 23rd when we beat them in 2014 finished unranked
Georgia Tech was ranked14th when we beat them in 2015 currently unranked
cgvr I get it you do not like Kelly. He does recruit well. I get we have not been over hump yet. to me the only elite teams are Ohio State and Alabama and may be LSU There are no other teams recruiting like them, It has nothing to do with coaching. Even Urban left Florida imho when he was not getting top recruits for what ever reason. Kelly's offense is pretty good. We recruit well on the O. We need better and more front 7 players. this nonsense about how many draft pics who has when is rubbish. what needs to be addressed is Defense , D coaching, scheme on the D and establishing who is the QB is for next season. Now if Kelly somehow gets an NFL offer 2016 could be interesting. Other than that I actually like your posts some are very funny and imformative.
Hey, we're just having some fun here and trying to keep the record somewhat straight.
Please note that I did not introduce the NFL into the discussion. However, I did respond with an accurate ND NFL accounting. I have never said that weis, willingham or davie were better coaches than kelly. I have said that perhaps among if not the worst coach in college football history did mange to get us into 2 BCS games and was a "bush push" from NC consideration. When one considers that southern cal had a 12? pt lead with approximately 6 minutes to go and blew it, it makes me wonder how we would have fared if fate got us there...... Also, in '12 had a couple of teams held form kelly may have slipped a NC through....
In addition, I have always touted msu '13, Oklahoma '12, Stanford '12 among kelly's best wins.
kelly needs an epiphany and I believe the onus is on swarbrick, like any manager/director, to provide the resource(s) to elevate his skill set. That can be done by hiring outside consultants to evaluate, provide training and direction (among other things).
The Fiesta Bowl was a huge opportunity for us and things went to he** pretty quickly.
We simply have to become more physical and more consistent throughout.
As close and frustrating as the near misses are our top Bowl win under kelly is the Music City.....
PS Here's the first of a number of posts that introduced the NFL....into the discussion....
"Is the current regime bringing in more talent and developing it better (both into NFL talent and 10+ win season) a good thing or a bad thing?
23 TheDecker, Yesterday at 4:16 PM"
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Dude
Your inconsistency is INSANE
You seriously need to stop, back away, ask for professional help....and report back after receiving treatment
You brought up "Teams that were highly ranked when we played them, under Kelly"........and I didn't wilt at all
I LIST 10+ TEAMS THAT WERE RANKED WHEN WE BEAT THEM, 2 OF WHICH WERE TOP10 TEAMS
Now you suddenly are interested in where those teams finished???............lulz
You just can't take that Kelly has beaten lots of teams that were ranked highly at game time as well as lots of teams that finished ranked highly
I can understand why you can't handle it though........you've based your whole self-worth on the totally incorrect concept that Kelly isn't a high level CFB coach
Sorry to inform you.......Kelly is indeed a very high level CFB coach
Listing the "Teams Ranked when ND Beat Them" under Kelly........again......for the resident moron
Utah was ranked 14th when we beat them in 2010 finished unranked
Michigan State was ranked 15th when we beat them in 2011 finished # 11
Oklahoma was ranked 8th when we beat them in 2012 finished 15
Michigan State was ranked 10th when we beat them in 2012 finished unranked
Michigan was ranked 18th when we beat them in 2012 finished # 24
Stanford was ranked 17th when we beat them in 2012 finished # 7
Arizona State was ranked 22nd when we beat them in 2013 finished # 21
Stanford was ranked 14th when we beat them in 2014 finished unranked
LSUwas ranked 23rd when we beat them in 2014 finished unranked
Georgia Tech was ranked14th when we beat them in 2015 currently unranked
Utah was ranked 14th when we beat them in 2010 finished unranked
Michigan State was ranked 15th when we beat them in 2011 finished # 11
Oklahoma was ranked 8th when we beat them in 2012 finished 15
Michigan State was ranked 10th when we beat them in 2012 finished unranked
Michigan was ranked 18th when we beat them in 2012 finished # 24
Stanford was ranked 17th when we beat them in 2012 finished # 7
Arizona State was ranked 22nd when we beat them in 2013 finished # 21
Stanford was ranked 14th when we beat them in 2014 finished unranked
LSUwas ranked 23rd when we beat them in 2014 finished unranked
Georgia Tech was ranked14th when we beat them in 2015 currently unranked
Weis made 2 major bowl games.....but didn't produce the 8+ win seasons consistently nor the NFL prospects (talent in the program) that Kelly did
And I've already crushed you again, and again, and again on the fact that is doesn't matter that not all of Kelly's draft picks were "his guys" as that's true for every single CFB ever, in their first 3-5 years
It in no way, at all, reduces the value of Kelly developing those players into NFL draft picks
And the beatings continue with your moronic in ability to count:
22 NFL Draft Picks from 2010-2014 +
- Stanley (1st)
- Jaylon (1st)
- Fuller (1st/2nd)
- Day (2nd/3rd)
- Martin (2nd/3rd)
- Russell (3rd/5th)
- Prosise (3rd/5th)
- Okwara (3rd/5th)
- Shumate (4th/7th)
- Brown (6th/FA)
- Amir Carlislse (7th/FA)
And to call out even more of your BS...........Notre Dame ABSOLUTELY DID NOT have 30 players drafted from 01 to 06
So nice effort to support your point with total BS......but that's another failure by you?
I have to ask @cgvr do you do anything accept make crap up, flip flop opinions, and get embarrased by everyone you confront?
I'm assuming you must encounter someone so feeble, from time to time, that you can convince them you're not a total idiot.........right?
Do people that stupid actually exist???
I'm assuming you must encounter someone so feeble, from time to time, that you can convince them you're not a total idiot.........right?
Do people that stupid actually exist???
Decker,
He is a half wit. I think Kelly walked by him and didn't sign his hat. He is an angry old man.
The pictures you post on line make you a sophomoric internet nerd - I cannot think of a worse thing to be in life -- oh yeah who is the shithead in the cowboy hat ?? Is that the " bring em on " Fubar
Actually, you made up a quote and are attempting to attribute it to me.
I never wrote what you've quoted which makes you dishonest, "Teams that were highly ranked when we played them, under Kelly"
I wrote, "Name a team that was in the top 10 when we've played that kelly has beaten. I'm pretty sure Oklahoma was # 8 and we were # 5."
You came up with msu at # 10 in '12.
You went off on a wild little goose chase with some other events which was quite entertaining. It's hard to believe that 5 teams in your sample set ended up unranked.... It's even more difficult to believe that you don't know the meaning of top 10 which is what I asked for..... At least I know why sometimes my burger orders get messed up.
You still won't answer where msu was ranked the day of the 2013 game.... tough to find eh?
Why did you leave msu 2013 off your little list? 'bama? clemson? You aren't exactly a halogen....
kelly's a pipsqueak and no matter how hard you try to lie and bolster his accomplishments it ain't gonna work.
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