Will Kizer regress in 2016?

[jameskroner3]

Here Decker. Because I am not sure you could figure out that you can click the quote to make it bigger:

LOL
More deflection, instead of addressing the topic
Try again, extra slow this time:
You're expectations don't matter for sh*t: Why? Because you say so?

You don't get to jump from bad to amazing...especially not with the restrictions ND self imposes: LOL. Yes. The restrictions. Yet Stanford has even more restrictions yet has accomplished a hell of a lot more and came from a worse place than ND in the last 8 years.

ND needs to be consistently solid with some very good eats before we'll be able to be constantly very good with sole great years: So what is your timeline on this? 6 years isn't enough? ND has had 1 great year under Kelly. 1 good year. 4 mediocre.

That's what we're seeing: No we are not as just explained.

Pointing out that Kelly is the first coach for decades to bring that kind of consistency is far from a bad thing or a cop out...since it's not the final step/goal...and Kelly has already shown (repeatedly) that the program is capable of more with him at the helm: Like I said. If your are satisfied with consistent 8 win years good for you.

But I wouldn't expect someone associated with a troll as old as cash to understand that: Like it or not Cash knows more about football than you ever will. Plus, unlike you, he actually played football so he kind of understands the game better too.

Hell, cash has been trolling here even before I was around: You say troll, I see facts and conversation. Instead of jumping all over anybody who doesn't agree with your orange sliced sunshine pumping views, I can actually sift through it all and come to a unbiased conclusion

Dude is an old school troll: And you are one of the least liked ND posters in the history of Rivals so you got that going for you

 

[twalsh]

Hell, cash has been trolling here even before I was around: You say troll, I see facts and conversation. Instead of jumping all over anybody who doesn't agree with your orange sliced sunshine pumping views, I can actually sift through it all and come to a unbiased conclusion.

"I"???

 

[TheDecker]

My God you are an insufferable ****. I'm not sure why I am bothering because all you will do is tell me how right you are.

Usual type of response from someone that can't defend their point of view

1. Stanford came from a similar place, and spent almost all of Harbaugh's time there tenure there with 8 wins or fewer.....because it takes time time build.

In fact, in the 1st 6 years of Harbaugh/Shaw Stanford average 8.5 Wins/Season and had 3 10+ win seasons
In Kelly's 1st 6 Years at Notre Dame he's averaged 9.2 Wins/Season and had 2 10+ win seasons

But you praise Harbaugh/Shaw as great coaches and try to fault Kelly at every turn

That's just another example of you pathetic logic............................lulz





The best part of this is you tying yourself to Cash....................that's nothing but PURE GOLD right there

Really says all that needs to be said about your total lack of understanding

 

[TheDecker]

Must be rough getting slapped around as often as you do Kroner

I'd be interested in hearing how someone as mentally feeble as you deals with being CONSTANTLY put in his place by people who know far more than him

Please share...

 

[TheDecker]

Here Decker. Because I am not sure you could figure out that you can click the quote to make it bigger:


ND needs to be consistently solid with some very good eats before we'll be able to be constantly very good with sole great years: So what is your timeline on this? 6 years isn't enough? ND has had 1 great year under Kelly. 1 good year. 4 mediocre.

That's what we're seeing: No we are not as just explained.

Pointing out that Kelly is the first coach for decades to bring that kind of consistency is far from a bad thing or a cop out...since it's not the final step/goal...and Kelly has already shown (repeatedly) that the program is capable of more with him at the helm: Like I said. If your are satisfied with consistent 8 win years good for you.

Shall we rip apart another section of this gem........just for fun??

My timeline is exactly what's happening

Every coach who has proven the ability to win wherever he goes should get 5 years to turn the program around and make it a consistent winner
(Very, very commonly held belief......by basically anyone smarter than you and not an intentional troll like Cash)

After that, to continue on, they need to show that they can make the program a "high level" winner....regularly returning 10+ win seasons with playoff births, NC's, etc. thrown in as well



Examples of this:
Harbaugh/Shaw - Stanford
Dantonio - Michigan State
Sweeney - Clemson
etc.

 

[TheDecker]

Hell, cash has been trolling here even before I was around: You say troll, I see facts and conversation. Instead of jumping all over anybody who doesn't agree with your orange sliced sunshine pumping views, I can actually sift through it all and come to a unbiased conclusion

Dude is an old school troll: And you are one of the least liked ND posters in the history of Rivals so you got that going for you

I can't believe you're publicly tying yourself in with Cash.....and trying to claim one of the oldest trolls on Rivals isn't a troll

I'm honestly impressed by this level of stupidity
I didn't think anyone could be this dumb and still type....but wow....congratulations

 

[jameskroner3]

Must be rough getting slapped around as often as you do Kroner

I'd be interested in hearing how someone as mentally feeble as you deals with being CONSTANTLY put in his place by people who know far more than him

Please share...

LOL. You haven't once put me in my place.

 

[jameskroner3]

Shall we rip apart another section of this gem........just for fun??

My timeline is exactly what's happening

Every coach who has proven the ability to win wherever he goes should get 5 years to turn the program around and make it a consistent winner
(Very, very commonly held belief......by basically anyone smarter than you and not an intentional troll like Cash)

After that, to continue on, they need to show that they can make the program a "high level" winner....regularly returning 10+ win seasons with playoff births, NC's, etc. thrown in as well



Examples of this:
Harbaugh/Shaw - Stanford
Dantonio - Michigan State
Sweeney - Clemson
etc.

Harbaugh inherited a 1-11 team. By year 4 he was 12-1 and won a BCS bowl. Stanford has just rolled on ever since. So Harbaugh/Shaw have accomplished much, much more than Kelly at ND with much, much more restrictions.

Dantonio took over from a complete buffoon. By 2010(Year 4) he was winning double digits. 2011, 2012, 2014, 2015 he once again won double digits. He is now 63-16 since 2010. Not much mediocrity in there old chap.

Swinney(Spelled this way BTW). Year 4 was like Dantonio/Harbaugh & Shaw regime, the beginning of many double digit win seasons. Since that year he is 56-11.

So. All of these guys by Year 4 and on were consistently winning double digits, one with way more obstacles to clear to get football players admitted. So your claim that ND is doing too is absolutely such a lie. Kelly, Year 3 did go 12-0. So let's say a year ahead of schedule. He proceeded to win a very pedestrian 8 & 9 games. Now he wins 10 in Year 6 and as you say, ND is following these guys blue print for success.

Do you even fact check or just make sh*t up? Dude, you are a complete loser who has been picked apart by Irish fans for your faulty statistics and Irish temper. It's funny to watch some of these posters stick up for you like this as if you are some sort of ND expert. When the reality is you have been beaten up, chewed, and spit out on every premium ND site around because no one can stand your giant sized ego cramped up in that little head.

This was fun but I probably wasted too much time today responding to your delinquent little rants and faulty statistics. I'm gonna go meet up with some friends at the club for some drinks. All CFB fans BTW so undoubtedly we will be filtering through these threads laughing @TheDecker Another egotistical move by a guy with Napoleon's complex. The? My God.

 

[Golfnut34]

As Kroner pointed out historical marginal programs like Stanford, MSU and Clemson all started with less yet built up the program's faster and better than Kelly. All three of those programs won BCS games and or playoff games yet Kelly never has done either. Look at Harbaugh already winning a January bowl game in his 1st year yetbKelly has never accomplished that at any school.

We looked at historically marginal programs that have achieved greater things than Kelly in shorter time, now let's look at the historical great programs like bama, USC , osu and even nd when they hired great coaches. Bama hires Saban and by year 3 a championship, USC hires Carroll by year 3 championship , osu hires tressel and Meyer and by year 3 championships. Meyer of course won a championship at Florida in year 2 also. Look at ND after Faust , they hire Holtz and year 3 championship.

In summary Kellys accomplishments in year 6 pales in comparison to the coaches and programs mentioned despite following a great recruiter with NFL talent. Kelly still has not won anything of significance such as a BCS , playoff, title or January Bowl game. He has beat very few teams to finish the season ranked and has lost almost every major game to a power 5 school. How long will ND fans be happy he is better than Davie, Weis and Ty and start expecting more than just wins vs navy, wake and Umass?

 

[jameskroner3]

As Kroner pointed out historical marginal programs like Stanford, MSU and Clemson all started with less yet built up the program's faster and better than Kelly. All three of those programs won BCS games and or playoff games yet Kelly never has done either. Look at Harbaugh already winning a January bowl game in his 1st year yetbKelly has never accomplished that at any school.

We looked at historically marginal programs that have achieved greater things than Kelly in shorter time, now let's look at the historical great programs like bama, USC , osu and even nd when they hired great coaches. Bama hires Saban and by year 3 a championship, USC hires Carroll by year 3 championship , osu hires tressel and Meyer and by year 3 championships. Meyer of course won a championship at Florida in year 2 also. Look at ND after Faust , they hire Holtz and year 3 championship.

In summary Kellys accomplishments in year 6 pales in comparison to the coaches and programs mentioned despite following a great recruiter with NFL talent. Kelly still has not won anything of significance such as a BCS , playoff, title or January Bowl game. He has beat very few teams to finish the season ranked and has lost almost every major game to a power 5 school. How long will ND fans be happy he is better than Davie, Weis and Ty and start expecting more than just wins vs navy, wake and Umass?

Welcome @Golfnut34

Unfortunately fools like Decker just want to be filled with information that paints ND and Kelly in a positive light. While there are absolutely positives there are very concerning negatives.

For instance why are Killy offenses so terrible in the RZ year in and year out despite personnel changes? That falls squarely on the play caller. Yet Kelly always says execution is the problem.

Again. Lots to like about Kelly but there is unfortunately many other things that seem to prevent them from taking the next step. His ability to add has also been a problem in key situations.

 

[Golfnut34]

Kroner ,
Actually I have been a long time lurker for a few years using this site for informative purposes as I am huge cfb fan. I chimed in only because I couldn't stand seeing this decker guy pound his chest any longer spewing BS. He has been used and abused in this thread like a $20 street walker.
Most posters in here understand while Kelly has made improvements at ND, he still is far behind the program's mentioned especially the elite. Kelley himself said he came to ND with a 5 minute plan and by that standard he failed miserably. Maybe he needs more RKG's as his next man in philosophy is failing miserably.
I am surprised more ND fans are not screaming for change with Kelly's inability to beat good power 5 programs combined with his game prep for big ganes as his teams never look prepared.
I assume next year Kelly needs to get into the playoffs or at least win his first ever January bowl game to keep his job.

 

[NDSMC78]

Kroner ,
Actually I have been a long time lurker for a few years using this site for informative purposes as I am huge cfb fan. I chimed in only because I couldn't stand seeing this decker guy pound his chest any longer spewing BS. He has been used and abused in this thread like a $20 street walker.
Most posters in here understand while Kelly has made improvements at ND, he still is far behind the program's mentioned especially the elite. Kelley himself said he came to ND with a 5 minute plan and by that standard he failed miserably. Maybe he needs more RKG's as his next man in philosophy is failing miserably.
I am surprised more ND fans are not screaming for change with Kelly's inability to beat good power 5 programs combined with his game prep for big ganes as his teams never look prepared.
I assume next year Kelly needs to get into the playoffs or at least win his first ever January bowl game to keep his job.

Where do we get these guys?

 

[Pennick4]

Where do we get these guys?

Great question.

 

[twalsh]

What is the fixation with January bowl games? The Tax Slayer a Bowl is a bigger game if it's played on January 1st instead of December 31st like the Peach/ChikFilA is every year?

 

[NDSMC78]

What is the fixation with January bowl games? The Tax Slayer a Bowl is a bigger game if it's played on January 1st instead of December 31st like the Peach/ChikFilA is every year?

Exactly.

 

[cgvr]

What is the fixation with January bowl games? The Tax Slayer a Bowl is a bigger game if it's played on January 1st instead of December 31st like the Peach/ChikFilA is every year?

Maybe some folks don't know this, but the Peach is now part of the playoff picture along with the Orange, Rose, Sugar, Fiesta and Cotton. Factoid: There are semifinal games scheduled on Dec 30 or Dec 31 for the next 5 years.... I hope we're playing in them... imo Winning any of these six is a noteworthy accomplishment as they are CFB "crown jewel" bowl games. I guess somehow I'll have to get used to the Peach Bowl in that company....
Page down on this link and you can see future dates.
http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/future-sites-and-schedules

 

[cgvr]

Kroner ,
Actually I have been a long time lurker for a few years using this site for informative purposes as I am huge cfb fan. I chimed in only because I couldn't stand seeing this decker guy pound his chest any longer spewing BS. He has been used and abused in this thread like a $20 street walker.
Most posters in here understand while Kelly has made improvements at ND, he still is far behind the program's mentioned especially the elite. Kelley himself said he came to ND with a 5 minute plan and by that standard he failed miserably. Maybe he needs more RKG's as his next man in philosophy is failing miserably.
I am surprised more ND fans are not screaming for change with Kelly's inability to beat good power 5 programs combined with his game prep for big ganes as his teams never look prepared.
I assume next year Kelly needs to get into the playoffs or at least win his first ever January bowl game to keep his job.

In 2007 Harbaugh blew apart carroll's "mighty/cheating/roided out" trogans in the greatest college upset in football history. Unranked Stanford beat # 1 ranked southern cal. southern cal and carroll were riding a 35 game winning streak and a 24 game Pac 12 winning streak at home. They went into the game as 41 point favorites. The win shocked the CFB world.

"It's the game that epitomizes everything we love about sports: dreams come true, drama, the ultimate Cinderella story, miracle play after miracle play working against all odds, and sports serving as a mere conduit for larger truths: courage, heroism, raw emotion. Future games will remind us of this October day, but nothing we see will ever top, match, or even come close to what we witnessed at the Coliseum on that October evening." We used to do stuff like that.... Yeah yeah Clemson 2 pts blah blah blah.... We lost....

In 2009 Harbaugh engineered a 55-21 masterpiece leaving 10th ranked southern cal smoldering to the point where poodle was seen whimpering, "what's your deal?" Harbaugh basically told him to f' off....

In Harbaugh's last season at Stanford 12-1 he delivered their best winning percentage since their undefeated season in 1940. He also delivered an Orange Bowl W. Shaw has delivered 2 Rose Bowls while losing a Rose and Fiesta. After this year they will have Top 10 finishes 4 of the last 6 seasons 4, 7, 7, & ?,. (1 not ranked and a # 11.)

Importantly, they have established a brand of football on both sides of the ball..... Their 21 billion $ endowment and commitment to winning football makes them a major force. They're pushing the envelope with S&C, nutrition, mental training and pioneering virtual reality techniques headed up by former Stanford QB and great guy Trent Edwards....

Their not so secret weapon Turley was recognized as the 2013 College Strength and Conditioning Coach of the Year by the National Strength and Conditioning Association (NSCA)

 

[cgvr]

Its the same person. Ignore their dribble.

 

[jameskroner3]

View embedded media

How Pistol Pete made that look so simple I'll never know. RIP Pistol.

 

[twalsh]

Maybe some folks don't know this, but the Peach is now part of the playoff picture along with the Orange, Rose, Sugar, Fiesta and Cotton. Factoid: There are semifinal games scheduled on Dec 30 or Dec 31 for the next 5 years.... I hope we're playing in them... imo Winning any of these six is a noteworthy accomplishment as they are CFB "crown jewel" bowl games. I guess somehow I'll have to get used to the Peach Bowl in that company....
Page down on this link and you can see future dates.
http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/future-sites-and-schedules

Peach/ChikFilA has been just as good a bowl as say the Outback or Citrus for several years, even though they are played in January.

 

[twalsh]

How Pistol Pete made that look so simple I'll never know. RIP Pistol.

He was amazing. And amazingly fun to watch.

 

[cgvr]

How Pistol Pete made that look so simple I'll never know. RIP Pistol.

Phenomenal talent ... a true maverick...

He averaged 44.2 ppg at LSU scoring 3,667 points....That's crazy.

He did it in 3 years...& is still the all time D1 leading scorer. Plus, there was no 3 pt line...

Of the top 25 scorers in NCAA history he played the fewest games.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_I_men's_basketball_career_scoring_leaders

Collegiate records

• Points, career: 3,667 (three seasons)
• Highest scoring average, points per game, career: 44.2 (3,667 points/83 games)
• Points, season: 1,381 (1970)
• Highest scoring average, points per game, season: 44.5 (1,381/31) (1970)
• Games scoring 50 or more points, career: 28
• Games scoring 50 or more points, season: 10 (1970)
• Field goals made, career: 1,387
• Field goals made, season: 522 (1970)
• Field goal attempts, career: 3,166
• Field goal attempts, season: 1,168 (1970)
• Free throws made, game: 30 (in 31 attempts), vs. Oregon State, December 22, 1969

 

[cgvr]

Peach/ChikFilA has been just as good a bowl as say the Outback or Citrus for several years, even though they are played in January.

I remember when the Gator was the first notch down. Beating PSU in it in '76 was pretty cool.

Now it's the Tax Slayer...

 

[TheDecker]

Holy crap

Not reading all this crap

But I haven't seen @allaboutthecash post under his @Golfnut34 handle in quite a while

And both on the same thread...

@jameskroner3 and @cgvr shoukd feel special to be involved with this clas of double troll

It takes a special kind of worthless idiot to reach that level

CONGRATS GUYS!!

 

[TheDecker]

Harbaugh inherited a 1-11 team. By year 4 he was 12-1 and won a BCS bowl. Stanford has just rolled on ever since. So Harbaugh/Shaw have accomplished much, much more than Kelly at ND with much, much more restrictions.

Dantonio took over from a complete buffoon. By 2010(Year 4) he was winning double digits. 2011, 2012, 2014, 2015 he once again won double digits. He is now 63-16 since 2010. Not much mediocrity in there old chap.

Swinney(Spelled this way BTW). Year 4 was like Dantonio/Harbaugh & Shaw regime, the beginning of many double digit win seasons. Since that year he is 56-11.

So. All of these guys by Year 4 and on were consistently winning double digits, one with way more obstacles to clear to get football players admitted. So your claim that ND is doing too is absolutely such a lie. Kelly, Year 3 did go 12-0. So let's say a year ahead of schedule. He proceeded to win a very pedestrian 8 & 9 games. Now he wins 10 in Year 6 and as you say, ND is following these guys blue print for success.

Do you even fact check or just make sh*t up? Dude, you are a complete loser who has been picked apart by Irish fans for your faulty statistics and Irish temper. It's funny to watch some of these posters stick up for you like this as if you are some sort of ND expert. When the reality is you have been beaten up, chewed, and spit out on every premium ND site around because no one can stand your giant sized ego cramped up in that little head.

This was fun but I probably wasted too much time today responding to your delinquent little rants and faulty statistics. I'm gonna go meet up with some friends at the club for some drinks. All CFB fans BTW so undoubtedly we will be filtering through these threads laughing @TheDecker Another egotistical move by a guy with Napoleon's complex. The? My God.

So let me get this straight

You agree that Kelly at ND has a better wins/season average through his first 6 years than HARBAUGH/Shaw have at Stanford?

And you agree it took Kelly less time to get a 10+ win season at ND than it took HARBAUGH at Stanford?

So your blathering on because you don't lie pin find out your "Kelly isn't doing nearly as well as they did" like is going up in smoke....??



Dude, do you always get owned this badly??

 

[TheDecker]

As Kroner pointed out historical marginal programs like Stanford, MSU and Clemson all started with less yet built up the program's faster and better than Kelly. All three of those programs won BCS games and or playoff games yet Kelly never has done either. Look at Harbaugh already winning a January bowl game in his 1st year yetbKelly has never accomplished that at any school.

We looked at historically marginal programs that have achieved greater things than Kelly in shorter time, now let's look at the historical great programs like bama, USC , osu and even nd when they hired great coaches. Bama hires Saban and by year 3 a championship, USC hires Carroll by year 3 championship , osu hires tressel and Meyer and by year 3 championships. Meyer of course won a championship at Florida in year 2 also. Look at ND after Faust , they hire Holtz and year 3 championship.

In summary Kellys accomplishments in year 6 pales in comparison to the coaches and programs mentioned despite following a great recruiter with NFL talent. Kelly still has not won anything of significance such as a BCS , playoff, title or January Bowl game. He has beat very few teams to finish the season ranked and has lost almost every major game to a power 5 school. How long will ND fans be happy he is better than Davie, Weis and Ty and start expecting more than just wins vs navy, wake and Umass?

Ahhhh @allaboutthecash go back to your original handle

You're not dealing with newbies here

We're well aware of who this is

Try again...





Lulz

 

[TheDecker]

Kroner ,
Actually I have been a long time lurker for a few years using this site for informative purposes as I am huge cfb fan. I chimed in only because I couldn't stand seeing this decker guy pound his chest any longer spewing BS. He has been used and abused in this thread like a $20 street walker.
Most posters in here understand while Kelly has made improvements at ND, he still is far behind the program's mentioned especially the elite. Kelley himself said he came to ND with a 5 minute plan and by that standard he failed miserably. Maybe he needs more RKG's as his next man in philosophy is failing miserably.
I am surprised more ND fans are not screaming for change with Kelly's inability to beat good power 5 programs combined with his game prep for big ganes as his teams never look prepared.
I assume next year Kelly needs to get into the playoffs or at least win his first ever January bowl game to keep his job.

Even more cash

We really miss you buddy

Your C+ trolling efforts are what make laughing at you so fun

Stick around!!

 

[TheDecker]

Where do we get these guys?

To be fair, it's just one guy

Cash has been trolling Rivals ND site for a very long time

He used to have multiple handles, golfnut was one of the early "alternates" after cash

You might not have seen these handles, as the got banned a while ago. But with be updated to the site, all the banned handles became usable again....so cash is bringing them back into the rotation

He's a fun troll to beat on if you get bored

 

[LosAngelesND]

Haven't you figured out everything I have posted is absolutely true?

You already lost right there. Anybody who posts that and really believes that is a loser who is incapable of a true debate. Newsflash: your opinions are not truth. Matter of fact, just reading a few of your posts, they are actually embarrassing in their lack of logic. You're not even a good troll, and it's easy to troll. Do better.

 

[jameskroner3]

So let me get this straight

You agree that Kelly at ND has a better wins/season average through his first 6 years than HARBAUGH/Shaw have at Stanford?

And you agree it took Kelly less time to get a 10+ win season at ND than it took HARBAUGH at Stanford?

So your blathering on because you don't lie pin find out your "Kelly isn't doing nearly as well as they did" like is going up in smoke....??



Dude, do you always get owned this badly??

You really are one dumb mother f*cker. You can't even figure it out even when it is spelled out for you.

Listen, you are a nut hugging, sunshine pumping, orange slice eating, know it all ND fan. @TheDecker knows more than anyone else.

You know how I know when someone doesn't know sh*t or thinks they know sh*t? When someone responds to your questions in a detailed factual manner and you have to go with the "You got owned". I haven't once gotten "owned" by you. Go back to your little one bed room and get started on that Texas preseason report there skippy. Everyone gets a good laugh out of those every year. It's hilarious to see you put so much time into something and come out so wrong.

 

[Golfnut34]

Ahhhh @allaboutthecash go back to your original handle

You're not dealing with newbies here

We're well aware of who this is

Try again...





Lulz

When someone proves you wrong, states facts and uses great examples to disprove your argument the childish response would be deckers. If you you need to end any discussion or disagreement with Lulz you already lost. Your childish behavior is boring. I already stated the facts proving lesser programs who started with less, improved quicker and accomplished much more than Kelly in 6 years. ND fans can take the facts and base their opinion of Kelly any way they prefer, but at the end of day, I think Kelly should be held accountable for grossly underachieving in his 6 years.

 

[twalsh]

You already lost right there. Anybody who posts that and really believes that is a loser who is incapable of a true debate. Newsflash: your opinions are not truth. Matter of fact, just reading a few of your posts, they are actually embarrassing in their lack of logic. You're not even a good troll, and it's easy to troll. Do better.

Cash struggles with the nuances and differences between facts and his opinions. Opinions are not true or false.

 

[NDSMC78]

Cash struggles with the nuances and differences between facts and his opinions. Opinions are not true or false.

A lot of posters, or at least of the screen names posting on this thread, seem to have that same problem.

 

[jameskroner3]

When someone proves you wrong, states facts and uses great examples to disprove your argument the childish response would be deckers. If you you need to end any discussion or disagreement with Lulz you already lost. Your childish behavior is boring. I already stated the facts proving lesser programs who started with less, improved quicker and accomplished much more than Kelly in 6 years. ND fans can take the facts and base their opinion of Kelly any way they prefer, but at the end of day, I think Kelly should be held accountable for grossly underachieving in his 6 years.

When Decker gets abused on these boards he acts like a petulant child. It's the main defense mechanism for people that have Napoleons Complex.

 

[cgvr]

You really are one dumb mother f*cker. You can't even figure it out even when it is spelled out for you.

Listen, you are a nut hugging, sunshine pumping, orange slice eating, know it all ND fan. @TheDecker knows more than anyone else.

You know how I know when someone doesn't know sh*t or thinks they know sh*t? When someone responds to your questions in a detailed factual manner and you have to go with the "You got owned". I haven't once gotten "owned" by you. Go back to your little one bed room and get started on that Texas preseason report there skippy. Everyone gets a good laugh out of those every year. It's hilarious to see you put so much time into something and come out so wrong.

When folks float that consecutive 8 wins stat they avoid the ugly flip side of that number.

Notre Dame has lost 5 or more games 23 times in over 127 years.

We have done it 9 times this century.

14 of the twenty 5 loss seasons are:

Kuharich (4)
Faust (4)
Weis (3)
Kelly (3)

Here are the 23 years of 5 plus losses:

1933 Andersen (coached 3 years)
1956 Brennan (coached 5 years)
1959 Kuharich (coached 4 years)
1960 Kuharich
1961 Kuharich
1962 Kuharich
1963 Devore (coached 2 years)
1981 Faust (coached 5 years)
1983 Faust
1984 Faust
1985 Faust
1986 Holtz (coached 11 years won NC)
1994 Holtz
1999 Davie (coached 5 years)
2001 Davie
2003 willingham (coached 3 years)
2004 willingham
2007 weis (coached 5 years)
2008 weis
2009 weis
2010 kelly
2011 kelly
2014 kelly

 

[twalsh]

When folks float that consecutive 8 wins stat they avoid the ugly flip side of that number.

Notre Dame has lost 5 or more games 23 times in over 127 years.

We have done it 9 times this century.

14 of the twenty 5 loss seasons are:

Kuharich (4)
Faust (4)
Weis (3)
Kelly (3)

Here are the 23 years of 5 plus losses:

1933 Andersen (coached 3 years)
1956 Brennan (coached 5 years)
1959 Kuharich (coached 4 years)
1960 Kuharich
1961 Kuharich
1962 Kuharich
1963 Devore (coached 2 years)
1981 Faust (coached 5 years)
1983 Faust
1984 Faust
1985 Faust
1986 Holtz (coached 11 years won NC)
1994 Holtz
1999 Davie (coached 5 years)
2001 Davie
2003 willingham (coached 3 years)
2004 willingham
2007 weis (coached 5 years)
2008 weis
2009 weis
2010 kelly
2011 kelly
2014 kelly

In a historical context, neither the number of wins nor the number of losses has much relevance. Kuharich's teams played ten games and didn't go to bowls. Every one of Kelly's teams has played 13 games. The law of averages would tell you that he should have more wins AND more losses than coaches from that era.

 

[schadenfreude]

No reason to think he would regress. If the O-line &/or running game is not as good, it might LOOK like he regresses. But it wouldn't be his fault.

 

[cgvr]

In a historical context, neither the number of wins nor the number of losses has much relevance. Kuharich's teams played ten games and didn't go to bowls. Every one of Kelly's teams has played 13 games. The law of averages would tell you that he should have more wins AND more losses than coaches from that era.

Of course that's the case.

However, there are posters here touting that 8 win per season as some sort of big accomplishment.

It translates to a .615 WP which is below our historical norm by more than a full percentage point.

 

[HuddleBurger]

This thread has high entertainment value IMO -- I have enjoyed perusing it from beginning to end.

That said, I do believe cgvr presents the best argument, based primarily in empirical data but acknowledging more emotionally-based anecdotal observations as well.

I think we're all excited that Kelly has made it 75% of the way up the mountain. The eternal hope is that he can close the next 25% and get to the top.

 

[cgvr]

This thread has high entertainment value IMO -- I have enjoyed perusing it from beginning to end.

That said, I do believe cgvr presents the best argument, based primarily in empirical data but acknowledging more emotionally-based anecdotal observations as well.

I think we're all excited that Kelly has made it 75% of the way up the mountain. The eternal hope is that he can close the next 25% and get to the top.