not so fast.....

[Upperrwestsidetrojan]

What it comes down to is, the trojan fan doesnt think Kizer can compete at the same level as MZ, and therefore cant lead ND to a BCS playoff berth.

Pure speculation, speaking his word as if its gospel. You cant speak with facts on this, you can only guess what Kizer will do. Is it so hard to understand that we as ND fans are hopeful that Kizer with only 3 games less experience that MZ can come in and get comfortable relatively quickly?

Did you think your point of view would be welcomed? Did you expect us to say, yeah you're right, Kizer will fail, all hail the trojan fan? You may end up being right, but you could just as well be wrong, so dont try to speak as if you know whats going to happen, you dont.

The odds are against ND, but we did pretty good with an inexperienced qb a few seasons ago, I think we went 12-0 or something like that....

You just said that the odds are against nd. That is what I am saying. Zaire is a year older and has played in games and is way ahead of Kizer. Zaire was so good that he came on late last yr and started to take over. Yes, I do expect that other points of view will be welcomed. It is message board. Or would rather everyone just close their and only talk about the positives. Not sure why people take such offense. I say plenty of good things about nd. I am a fan of nd. And I was upset when Zaire went down. We all give facts to back up our opinion. People take it personally and start using profanity and name calling to get a reaction. You have me on the fact that golson did pretty well as a young player a few years ago. Although I do think that ND was overrated. And that is evidenced by the fact that they were actually manhandled against bama. And they won they won the stanford, but stanford clearly scored. It was not called a td, but stanford absolutely got in. But yes that was a good season. But to me that team felt more like a 10-3 team vs a 12-1. And I would not be surprised if ND went 10-3 this year. 12-1 is possible, but highly unlikely.

No problem. I agree, it could happen. The next 2 weeks witll be a good test. Good luck.

 

[cgvr]

You just said that the odds are against nd. That is what I am saying. Zaire is a year older and has played in games and is way ahead of Kizer. Zaire was so good that he came on late last yr and started to take over. Yes, I do expect that other points of view will be welcomed. It is message board. Or would rather everyone just close their and only talk about the positives. Not sure why people take such offense. I say plenty of good things about nd. I am a fan of nd. And I was upset when Zaire went down. We all give facts to back up our opinion. People take it personally and start using profanity and name calling to get a reaction. You have me on the fact that golson did pretty well as a young player a few years ago. Although I do think that ND was overrated. And that is evidenced by the fact that they were actually manhandled against bama. And they won they won the stanford, but stanford clearly scored. It was not called a td, but stanford absolutely got in. But yes that was a good season. But to me that team felt more like a 10-3 team vs a 12-1. And I would not be surprised if ND went 10-3 this year. 12-1 is possible, but highly unlikely.

No problem. I agree, it could happen. The next 2 weeks witll be a good test. Good luck.

Stanford did not score until after the whistle had blown. There is a replay where the ref at the top of the screen and on the line is signalling the play dead before he got in. That is why you see Te'o disengage. A whistle had blown.
kelly totally mismanaged the qb situation last year. Zaire's "meaningful" minutes came in the last game of the season with the score 35-0 in the second 1/4. His MVP performance in the Bowl game left me scratching my head on what other team talent has Kelly potentially buried.....? In fact, after the southern cal and bowl performances, I was posting that the job was now Zaire's to lose. Then Kelly started Golson in the spring game.....
PS kelly's benching of other players after mistakes while letting Golson get away with murder is a divisive tactical head coaching blunder. It's favoritism.... In light of Zaire's performances it is also another example of poor coaching....

 

[Pennick4]

usc recruits the best players every year. same type of academics as nd. they recruit much better students than they allow into bama. and nd has incredible national appeal. why? because parents love great academics and kids love great football tradition. just like usc.

Same type of academics.... What color is the sky in your world?

 

[Upperrwestsidetrojan]

Same type of academics.... What color is the sky in your world?

nd is ranked 18 and usc is ranked 23 in us news. and I seen othe ranking that out sc higher. but that is pretty close and those ranking change every yr. but usc is still an elite school and is very hard to get into It has many great undergrad schools, grad programs etc. Some are ranked higher than nd's. So yes the schools are similar. But if you want to say that nd is better, no problem.

 

[perseverare]

how schools rank for the general population, is not a true meadure as to the education requirements attributed to the football team. pulllleeeese! with the comparison ND : USC academics applicable to athletes!

 

[mbd11]

nd is ranked 18 and usc is ranked 23 in us news. and I seen othe ranking that out sc higher. but that is pretty close and those ranking change every yr. but usc is still an elite school and is very hard to get into It has many great undergrad schools, grad programs etc. Some are ranked higher than nd's. So yes the schools are similar. But if you want to say that nd is better, no problem.

Nobody's questioning that USC has fine academics. The difference is what we require of our student-athletes. Our grad rate is consistently among the highest in FBS, usually around 95%. USC's is below average. According to this article from a few years ago, it was 53%, which ranked 11th in the Pac-12.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/oc...usc-football-graduation-success-rate-20131025

 

[SALittleGiant513]

Same type of academics.... What color is the sky in your world?

It is not blue. But then again the way he will define academics is probably going to change when people start giving him the statistics.

 

[Upperrwestsidetrojan]

Nobody's questioning that USC has fine academics. The difference is what we require of our student-athletes. Our grad rate is consistently among the highest in FBS, usually around 95%. USC's is below average. According to this article from a few years ago, it was 53%, which ranked 11th in the Pac-12.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/oc...usc-football-graduation-success-rate-20131025

dont forget a lot of these the guys who leave early count against that. and yes, usc players are probably more concerned about going to the nfl than they are about graduating. usc is football factory and has the most players in the pros, the hall of fame etc. but nd is still an easy place to recruit because it has a such a national appeal. for example, nd does better in ca than schools like fl, fsu, bama. Even when those schools win championships they don't recruit as well as nd does in ca. a ton of top recruits have nd in their top 5. probably more top recruits have usc and nd in their top 5 than other schools. maybe bama would be in their too. but they dont go out west up to big ten country too often.

changing subject. who do think will give nd the most trouble this year?

 

[john0gaunt]

^^^You claim to have a undergrad and post graduate degree from 2 fairly prestigous universities, but you are not able to put together a sentence that even resembles correct grammar. I'm sure you're for real though. You probably are an astronaut in your spare time. ^^^

Go Irish!
Beat GT

 

[Upperrwestsidetrojan]

It is not blue. But then again the way he will define academics is probably going to change when people start giving him the statistics.

USC and nd are both very good academic schools. Do you dispute that? ND is ranked a little higher in us news. Do you dispute that? Those rankings change every year. Do you dispute that? Or do you prefer to just insult me. I am not an outsider. I am a nd graduate. Are you?

 

[SALittleGiant513]

dont forget a lot of these the guys who leave early count against that. and yes, usc players are probably more concerned about going to the nfl than they are about graduating. usc is football factory and has the most players in the pros, the hall of fame etc. but nd is still an easy place to recruit because it has a such a national appeal. for example, nd does better in ca than schools like fl, fsu, bama. Even when those schools win championships they don't recruit as well as nd does in ca. a ton of top recruits have nd in their top 5. probably more top recruits have usc and nd in their top 5 than other schools. maybe bama would be in their too. but they dont go out west up to big ten country too often.

changing subject. who do think will give nd the most trouble this year?

Why do you feel the need to inflate the USC stats when they are already good man. USC does not have the most players in the pros, LSU does.

Also the reason FSU, Florida and Bama don't do better in CA is because they aren't pushing as hard there when they are locking down the south. You idea of ND recruiting stuck in the early 90's my friend.

 

[Upperrwestsidetrojan]

^^^You claim to have a undergrad and post graduate degree from 2 fairly prestigous universities, but you are not able to put together a sentence that even resembles correct grammar. I'm sure you're for real though. You probably are an astronaut in your spare time. ^^^

Go Irish!
Beat GT

You are correct. I am a hs dropout. This is a message board and I am typing on my iphone. This is so pointless. I came here to discuss football. Have it your way.

 

[Upperrwestsidetrojan]

Why do you feel the need to inflate the USC stats when they are already good man. USC does not have the most players in the pros, LSU does.

Also the reason FSU, Florida and Bama don't do better in CA is because they aren't pushing as hard there when they are locking down the south. You idea of ND recruiting stuck in the early 90's my friend.

I never said the most current players in the pros. See below. But usc is probably no 1 all time and in the last decade. USC has had the most drafted all time. USC is a football factory. And so is ND. See you in south bend.

http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2013/04/usc_ohio_state_notre_dame_lead.html

 

[mbd11]

Well, that's one reason we play a national schedule and go to Cali every year - recruiting. ND has always recruited nationally.

As far as this year, GTech and SC are our 2 toughest games IMO. Fortunately, we have them both at home, but those will both be battles.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

"USC has the most players in the Pros"...

 

[Upperrwestsidetrojan]

"USC has the most players in the Pros"...

See below. It says usc has the most currently in the NFL too. LSU is 3rd.

http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/wh...d-the-most-active-nfl-players.html/?a=viewall

 

[SALittleGiant513]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ams-with-the-most-alums-on-nfl-week-1-rosters

Never heard of Cheatsheet.com but it can be a legit source that does their hw. I think the NFL though is probably going to be a bit more correct with their research. Its also like 2nd hit on google. Didn't have to search that hard for it man. Like I said USC has such good numbers no need to inflate them.

 

[Upperrwestsidetrojan]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ams-with-the-most-alums-on-nfl-week-1-rosters

Never heard of Cheatsheet.com but it can be a legit source that does their hw. I think the NFL though is probably going to be a bit more correct with their research. Its also like 2nd hit on google. Didn't have to search that hard for it man. Like I said USC has such good numbers no need to inflate them.

I am not inflating anything. 2 months usc was no1 now it is somebody else. OK at this exact time usc is not first. Come on man. This is absurd. The fact is usc is the no 1 football out there. On average sc had had more players in the nfl than any team. I don't know how this got to be about this. You are twisting my words. Like I said, I never said this yr. It was general statement was vague. For the last 10 or years or so I ave heard that sc has had the most guys in the pros. And that is fact. My point is that usc is a football factory. And ND is easy to recruit for.

See you in South Bend.

 

[john0gaunt]

You are correct. I am a hs dropout. This is a message board and I am typing on my iphone.

It's better to be honest and this is perhaps the only honest post you have made. Except the iphone part, the iphone will auto correct all your problems.

BTW, it doesn't prevent you from being an effective troll. Kudos. Or should I say, Troll On.

Go Irish!
Beat GT

 

[cgvr]

I am not inflating anything. 2 months usc was no1 now it is somebody else. OK at this exact time usc is not first. Come on man. This is absurd. The fact is usc is the no 1 football out there. On average sc had had more players in the nfl than any team. I don't know how this got to be about this. You are twisting my words. Like I said, I never said this yr. It was general statement was vague. For the last 10 or years or so I ave heard that sc has had the most guys in the pros. And that is fact. My point is that usc is a football factory. And ND is easy to recruit for.

See you in South Bend.

Here's a good link for you on players in the NFL by school.

When ND plays southern cal which team do you root for? (I think i know the answer, but does it change if one is out of the NC hunt?)

http://espn.go.com/nfl/college/_/letter/u