not so fast.....

[perseverare]

whoa! put the brakes on people!

Nothing has changed except the QB! And in fact the offense may be more diverse, not being so reliant on 1 player.

Kizer has the ability to get the job done. He is different than MZ or EG; he is a combo of the two.
Kizer is not the runner like MZ but he is sufficiently mobile to extend plays; ND has the recievers (TE's and WR's) to get plenty of offense. Having DK at QB is certainly not the end to the season or hopes! And Wim at BU is like having a starter on the bench.

 

[IrishMike409]

whoa! put the brakes on people!

Nothing has changed except the QB! And in fact the offense may be more diverse, not being so reliant on 1 player.

Kizer has the ability to get the job done. He is different than MZ or EG; he is a combo of the two.
Kizer is not the runner like MZ but he is sufficiently mobile to extend plays; ND has the recievers (TE's and WR's) to get plenty of offense. Having DK at QB is certainly not the end to the season or hopes! And Wim at BU is like having a starter on the bench.

Well said, Pers. I remember you, 3 years ago, insisting that Stanley was an all out stud, and needed to get on the field. I think you'll be right about DK too!

 

[tkirish]

whoa! put the brakes on people!

Nothing has changed except the QB! And in fact the offense may be more diverse, not being so reliant on 1 player.

Kizer has the ability to get the job done. He is different than MZ or EG; he is a combo of the two.
Kizer is not the runner like MZ but he is sufficiently mobile to extend plays; ND has the recievers (TE's and WR's) to get plenty of offense. Having DK at QB is certainly not the end to the season or hopes! And Wim at BU is like having a starter on the bench.

Pers, I hope your right. I'm feeling pretty down right now. Going into the spring this team had so much promise. Then Golson leaves. Then, Bryant is ruled out. Folston is out. Not to mention Jaron Jones and Crawford. It is only the second game and this team is severely depleted. I do not see how they win more than 7 games. I know I'm a pessimist. But I've seen this movie before and it never ends well. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Toby Smart]

The threat of a running QB is no more. You don't want Kizer running the ball. That squeezes the playbook. If Kiz goes down, then I don't know what. We got the runners. We got the Receivers. This OL has to be more productive in short yardage. It can be done.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

W/Kizer the playboy is not more open. Kizer isn't a slouch though

 

[deadirishpoet]

The threat of a running QB is no more. You don't want Kizer running the ball. That squeezes the playbook. If Kiz goes down, then I don't know what. We got the runners. We got the Receivers. This OL has to be more productive in short yardage. It can be done.

Coach Kelly might not be able to help himself. A blocking back (TE) if no fullback is available couldn't hurt on short yardage/redzone situations

 

[HRC08]

I appreciate you trying to rally the troops, perse, but idk. I'd feel a lot better if ND were playing UMass next week instead of Georgia Tech. Is there anyway we can get Kizer exempted from classes next week so he can practice 72 hrs? He looked so awkward running the zone read option and that pass that should have been intercepted was cringe worthy. And wtf happened to Josh Adams and Corey Robinson? Did they have the flu and we weren't told about it? I actually hope that's the case.

 

[Toby Smart]

Josh seemed to be running timid today. Dancing. Not the same back as last week.

 

[ThunderStorm21]

Agreed Kizer was solid, of course he will make mistakes but all is not lost. Our secondary needs to be fixed though. Virginia shredded it and we almost lost we the WR dropped the pass in the endzone. That actually is more of a worry than our QB situation. From here on out running the ball down our opponents throats is the best option on offense.

 

[ThunderStorm21]

Agreed Kizer was solid, of course he will make mistakes but all is not lost. Our secondary needs to be fixed though. Virginia shredded it and we almost lost we the WR dropped the pass in the endzone. That actually is more of a worry than our QB situation. From here on out running the ball down our opponents throats is the best option on offense.

 

[Bodizephax]

Kizer showed what he can do today. Perform in the clutch. Much like Joe Montana.

 

[justacollegefan]

Kizer showed what he can do today. Perform in the clutch. Much like Joe Montana.

And this idiot strikes again.... how many accounts do you have because you said the same "Joe Montana" idiotic statement on my thread under another name.

Regardless, it seems like some keep forgetting that Kizer doesn't play in that terrible secondary, doesn't rush the QB, doesn't make play calls, and Kelly isn't changing the offense for one player because he is stubborn.

 

[theskibro]

I like your thinking.

whoa! put the brakes on people!

Nothing has changed except the QB! And in fact the offense may be more diverse, not being so reliant on 1 player.

Kizer has the ability to get the job done. He is different than MZ or EG; he is a combo of the two.
Kizer is not the runner like MZ but he is sufficiently mobile to extend plays; ND has the recievers (TE's and WR's) to get plenty of offense. Having DK at QB is certainly not the end to the season or hopes! And Wim at BU is like having a starter on the bench.

You better be right or I am coming to jersey for a refund. Lol

 

[beachcardinal]

The threat of a running QB is no more. You don't want Kizer running the ball. That squeezes the playbook. If Kiz goes down, then I don't know what. We got the runners. We got the Receivers. This OL has to be more productive in short yardage. It can be done.

This is a big issue. You just can't take chances with your QBs now. It limit your play calling

 

[zuskie]

This is a big issue. You just can't take chances with your QBs now. It limit your play calling

Yep, the D can key on the RB in the ground game more.

 

[BGI User 348]

Pers is a BIG Kizer fan...hope he is right. Loved his demeanor today.....practiced all summer to start.


BEAT gt!!!

 

[ftnfan62]

DK was offered by almost every SEC, Big 10 and Big 12 schools.....he must be pretty good....just needs the rep's....EG took reps away from him in the spring.....should be farther along...

 

[Nocalirish]

OhioSt did it last year. ND can do it this year.

 

[Toby Smart]

This still doesn't solve the short yardage, Red Zone, Field Goal, and Secondary situation let alone the DL pressure not finishing the job. What good is running the whole playbook if all this stuff is going to be a ball and chain for our new young QB?

 

[Howard Hall 74]

Kizer is going to prove his natural talents. Much better skill sets than Zaire and much higher up side - IF - Kelly can develop (and teach) rather than destroy his confidence.

 

[IrishBlooded]

Well I said before the season that by game 12 Wimbush would be the back up. Didn't expect it to happen this way though.

 

[BGI User 1596]

Well I said before the season that by game 12 Wimbush would be the back up. Didn't expect it to happen this way though.

You were only off by 10 games.

 

[floridairish]

The thing that solves the short yardage problem is getting a hat on a hat and having the RB run until he hears glass breaking.

It's not scheme, it's not play calling, it's execution and attitude. Period.

 

[Upperrwestsidetrojan]

DK was offered by almost every SEC, Big 10 and Big 12 schools.....he must be pretty good....just needs the rep's....EG took reps away from him in the spring.....should be farther along...

What schools that recruit great pro style or great dual threat qb's was he offered by? None. Both bama and lsu have trouble landing good qb's as they are not qb centric offenses and do not have many of their qb's go to the pros. They are great programs, but really cant land the best qb's. The best pro style guys don't want to go to those schools. And the top dual threat or spread teams like Oregon, Texas a and m, Baylor, Auburn, Ohio State etc. did not offer him. He is from Ohio and Meyer dd not offer him. He is a 4 star with a good amount of total offers, but he is very inexperienced and does not have a very impressive offer list. He was totally clutch against uva so maybe he is really good. But he is big step down from Zaire becuase of experience.

 

[perseverare]

well, this is a what have you done lately world; and what has he done lately?

 

[ftnfan62]

What schools that recruit great pro style or great dual threat qb's was he offered by? None. Both bama and lsu have trouble landing good qb's as they are not qb centric offenses and do not have many of their qb's go to the pros. They are great programs, but really cant land the best qb's. The best pro style guys don't want to go to those schools. And the top dual threat or spread teams like Oregon, Texas a and m, Baylor, Auburn, Ohio State etc. did not offer him. He is from Ohio and Meyer dd not offer him. He is a 4 star with a good amount of total offers, but he is very inexperienced and does not have a very impressive offer list. He was totally clutch against uva so maybe he is really good. But he is big step down from Zaire becuase of experience.

You can go to rivals and look at his offer list, and yes, Bama was on there....along with Arkansas, LSU, Louisville, Nebraska, Penn State, Illinois, North Western, Tennessee and Wisconsin....along with many more.....

Here is the link....unless I'm reading it wrong...


https://rivals.yahoo.com/notredame/football/recruiting/player-DeShone-Kizer-133108

 

[Upperrwestsidetrojan]

You can go to rivals and look at his offer list, and yes, Bama was on there....along with Arkansas, LSU, Louisville, Nebraska, Penn State, Illinois, North Western, Tennessee and Wisconsin....along with many more.....

Here is the link....unless I'm reading it wrong...


https://rivals.yahoo.com/notredame/football/recruiting/player-DeShone-Kizer-133108

Yes, I saw those schools. Those schools do not have the ability to recruit the best qb's. He had a lot of offers, but they were not elite pro style or dual threat type schools. See my post above where I explain this.

 

[88ND]

whoa! put the brakes on people!

Nothing has changed except the QB! And in fact the offense may be more diverse, not being so reliant on 1 player.

Kizer has the ability to get the job done. He is different than MZ or EG; he is a combo of the two.
Kizer is not the runner like MZ but he is sufficiently mobile to extend plays; ND has the recievers (TE's and WR's) to get plenty of offense. Having DK at QB is certainly not the end to the season or hopes! And Wim at BU is like having a starter on the bench.

Question...if we sputter do you think he may bring Wimbush in? Like 2012 switching Rees and Golson at times.

 

[Bodizephax]

What schools that recruit great pro style or great dual threat qb's was he offered by? None. Both bama and lsu have trouble landing good qb's as they are not qb centric offenses and do not have many of their qb's go to the pros. They are great programs, but really cant land the best qb's. The best pro style guys don't want to go to those schools. And the top dual threat or spread teams like Oregon, Texas a and m, Baylor, Auburn, Ohio State etc. did not offer him. He is from Ohio and Meyer dd not offer him. He is a 4 star with a good amount of total offers, but he is very inexperienced and does not have a very impressive offer list. He was totally clutch against uva so maybe he is really good. But he is big step down from Zaire becuase of experience.

Bama landed Blake Barnett--not too shabby.

 

[perseverare]

I think for '15 the QB duties will include KizWim

 

[BGI User 1596]

At the quarterback position, maybe other than Ohio State, I would take our two quarterbacks,” Kelly said.

 

[Upperrwestsidetrojan]

I think for '15 the QB duties will include KizWim

Barnett was rated really highly by rivals, but I am curious why he had only 11 total offers. And why no offer from usc. And the top qb's out west get offers from every pac 12 school for the most part as well. So although schools like ucla and oregon were recruiting him, were their offers for real? I have no knowledge either way. He did have some good offers and was rated no 2, but the answer on how highly coaches really rated him was murky. But regardless, the offers that Kizer had were not schools that generally recruit and land the best qb's. Based on his offer list he looks like he will eventually be a good, but not great qb. Obviously this is all speculation on my part. But who knows, he could win the Heisman some day.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

At the quarterback position, maybe other than Ohio State, I would take our two quarterbacks,” Kelly said.

Oh how quickly things change... Kelly probably doesn't feel exactly that same way now.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

Barnett was rated really highly by rivals, but I am curious why he had only 11 total offers. And why no offer from usc. And the top qb's out west get offers from every pac 12 school for the most part as well. So although schools like ucla and oregon were recruiting him, were their offers for real? I have no knowledge either way. He did have some good offers and was rated no 2, but the answer on how highly coaches really rated him was murky. But regardless, the offers that Kizer had were not schools that generally recruit and land the best qb's. Based on his offer list he looks like he will eventually be a good, but not great qb. Obviously this is all speculation on my part. But who knows, he could win the Heisman some day.

You don't buy into the fact that he shut his recruiting down after committing both times contributed to the minimal offers?

 

[Upperrwestsidetrojan]

You don't buy into the fact that he shut his recruiting down after committing both times contributed to the minimal offers?

Yes. That is possible. But those top qb's get a million offers during their junior yr. He did not commit that early. I follow west coast recruiting religiously. And I remember Barnett being rated as a good, but not great qb. Even when top guys commit, they usually get a lot of offers. My whole point is that Kizer might turn out to be a good qb, but he is a major step down from Zaire right now. He has no experience and is not the runner zaire is. I thought nd was a top 5 team this year, but without mz it might be tough.

 

[IRISHJD98]

What schools that recruit great pro style or great dual threat qb's was he offered by? None. Both bama and lsu have trouble landing good qb's as they are not qb centric offenses and do not have many of their qb's go to the pros. They are great programs, but really cant land the best qb's. The best pro style guys don't want to go to those schools. And the top dual threat or spread teams like Oregon, Texas a and m, Baylor, Auburn, Ohio State etc. did not offer him. He is from Ohio and Meyer dd not offer him. He is a 4 star with a good amount of total offers, but he is very inexperienced and does not have a very impressive offer list. He was totally clutch against uva so maybe he is really good. But he is big step down from Zaire becuase of experience.

While Zaire is a big loss, he wasn't exactly seasoned with experience. He had three starts - including the game he was injured in - plus meaningful time against USC. That's pretty much it. He's had 75 career NCAA pass attempts. Performance wise, we really don't know what we had. He had a great game against Texas, but struggled throwing against Virginia.

Losing Zaire hurts because he's a strong leader and fierce competitor.

Kizer's offer list might not be "elite", but he had more offers than our last three starters (Rees, Golson, and Zaire).. And we don't need Kizer to be elite. We just need him to be pretty good, which is all the post you responded to was suggesting.

We all know that USC is the king of recruiting elite quarterbacks. Seems like they should have won more championships.

 

[Upperrwestsidetrojan]

While Zaire is a big loss, he wasn't exactly seasoned with experience. He had three starts - including the game he was injured in - plus meaningful time against USC. That's pretty much it. He's had 75 career NCAA pass attempts. Performance wise, we really don't know what we had. He had a great game against Texas, but struggled throwing against Virginia.

Losing Zaire hurts because he's a strong leader and fierce competitor.

Kizer's offer list might not be "elite", but he had more offers than our last three starters (Rees, Golson, and Zaire).. And we don't need Kizer to be elite. We just need him to be pretty good, which is all the post you responded to was suggesting.

We all know that USC is the king of recruiting elite quarterbacks. Seems like they should have won more championships.

Zaire is a year older and has a lot more game experience. He pretty much beat out golson. Golson knew that and transferred. Kizer was not even in the competition to start. If Zaire were healthy every ND fan would be singing his praises. He is a huge loss. Kizer has very little experience and is not nearly as good as Zaire at the current stage. Plus Zaire is really big and fast. Kind of like Brett Hundley. He moves very well for a 225 pounder. But I think the fact that Kizer can't run like Zaire will make your offense one dimensional. I am so glad that sc is finally recruiting dual threat qb's.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

Just so I can understand your argument what schools are ones that elite pro-type QB's are attracted too so that we can tell if a QB is good?

 

[Upperrwestsidetrojan]

Just so I can understand your argument what schools are ones that elite pro-type QB's are attracted too so that we can tell if a QB is good?

Stanford, USC, FSU(they are a multiple offense, but kizer had no offer there either), Georgia, OKla, Miamai. Granted some of these these schools use multiple formations, but they put a lot of Qb's in the pros. Plus Kizer was listed as a dual threat guy and that seems like what brian kelly wants. So where are the top dual threat school offers. Oregon, Texas a and m, Baylor, Auburn, Ohio State etc. did not offer him. He is from Ohio and Urban Meyer dd not offer him. Where are the pac 12 offers? Pac 12 always goes after every good qb they can fiond as they are the passing conference. Pac 12 is an average running conf, but it is great passing conf. And if he is more of a pro style guy where are the schools that offer and get the best pro style and multiple style qb's? He has a very solid offer mid tier offer list. So I stand by what I said. And most importantly it is highly unlikely that he will be good this year. He may be great as a junior or senior, but experience counts.

 

[Nocalirish]

Stanford, USC, FSU(they are a multiple offense, but kizer had no offer there either), Georgia, OKla, Miamai. Granted some of these these schools use multiple formations, but they put a lot of Qb's in the pros. Plus Kizer was listed as a dual threat guy and that seems like what brian kelly wants. So where are the top dual threat school offers. Oregon, Texas a and m, Baylor, Auburn, Ohio State etc. did not offer him. He is from Ohio and Urban Meyer dd not offer him. Where are the pac 12 offers? Pac 12 always goes after every good qb they can fiond as they are the passing conference. Pac 12 is an average running conf, but it is great passing conf. And if he is more of a pro style guy where are the schools that offer and get the best pro style and multiple style qb's? He has a very solid offer mid tier offer list. So I stand by what I said. And most importantly it is highly unlikely that he will be good this year. He may be great as a junior or senior, but experience counts.

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You are nothing but a flamer and dont know shite.
Go back to the UOJ board. Now on ignore.