Lane Kiffin "You might as well be in different leagues, not conferences, different leagues…”

[chaseball]

A lot of really frustrated SEC coaches.
Guy has a point, Ole Miss is #8 in FPI, #5 in F+ (clear playoff team) not even a back end playoff team but a clear top 10 team being left out for G5, Big12, and ACC junk that belongs nowhere near the playoff.

 

[chaseball]

What I fear is going to happen is that a legit playoff team this year is going to get super lucky with a G5 opponent a ACC opponent a big 12 opponent and then only have one really competitive game in the entire playoff while other teams are going through the SEC and Big ten gauntlet at the top.

It's going to hurt the integrity of the trophy if that's the case.

And honestly that team could be Notre Dame.

 

[Golson5]

What I fear is going to happen is that a legit playoff team this year is going to get super lucky with a G5 opponent a ACC opponent a big 12 opponent and then only have one really competitive game in the entire playoff while other teams are going through the SEC and Big ten gauntlet at the top.

It's going to destroy the integrity of the national championship trophy

If those teams are so bad as you say they won't make it to the 3rd round and that point goes out the window

 

[chaseball]

If those teams are so bad as you say they won't make it to the 3rd round and that point goes out the window

All it takes is a upset from one of those conference champions that get a first round bye

 

[Golson5]

Lane needs to focus on not losing 3x to unranked teams

 

[Golson5]

All it takes is a upset from one of those conference champions that get a first round bye

Then tell those great teams don't get upset by a team you consider inferior. Very simple. Don't tell me you're great, go out and win against those teams. Period

 

[chaseball]

I'd rather just see the 12 best teams in the playoff The games will be more exciting and the team that prevails the tournament will get far more respect as a national champion

 

[Granite45]

A lot of really frustrated SEC coaches.
Guy has a point, Ole Miss is #8 in FPI, #5 in F+ (clear playoff team) not even a back end playoff team but a clear top 10 team being left out for G5, Big12, and ACC junk that belongs nowhere near the playoff.

Then he and his team should win their conference.

 

[Granite45]

I'd rather just see the 12 best teams in the playoff The games will be more exciting and the team that prevails the tournament will get far more respect as a national champion

Your arguments have not been for the best 12 teams, but for the SEC and Big10 to declare a system and champion of their own.

 

[NIN Irish]

Mississippi lost 3 games. One was to 4-8 Kentucky at home. Tough luck Lane.

 

[savvyandsassier]

What I fear is going to happen is that a legit playoff team this year is going to get super lucky with a G5 opponent a ACC opponent a big 12 opponent and then only have one really competitive game in the entire playoff while other teams are going through the SEC and Big ten gauntlet at the top.

It's going to hurt the integrity of the trophy if that's the case.

And honestly that team could be Notre Dame.

The playoff would have no integrity at all if there were not automatic bids. It's not a playoff anymore it's just an unnecessary spectacle for the fans and should not be considered a national championship at all, it would be a so called invitational. And the SEC is better but they're not that much better. And Lane Kiffin is a complete useless bitch, why would anyone care what he says. He's grown up a lot, I suppose, but he's still a little bitch at heart and that's very evident. I wouldn't even say he's grown up much at all. Just enough to get him over the line where his behavior is minimally tolerable.

So the solution is to have a superconference, or super league, for better competitive balance. That's obvious. Even a bimbo like Kiffin can grasp that. Otherwise deal with the imperfect 12 team playoff, and keep your fat effin' mouth shut.

 

[NDinNJ]

A lot of really frustrated SEC coaches.
Guy has a point, Ole Miss is #8 in FPI, #5 in F+ (clear playoff team) not even a back end playoff team but a clear top 10 team being left out for G5, Big12, and ACC junk that belongs nowhere near the playoff.

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My response to Lane kiffin. Quit whining and don't lose to 4-8 Kentucky, 8-4 LSU, and 7-5 Florida.

 

[NDinNJ]

Then he and his team should win their conference.

...or go independent, and not lose to 4-8 Kentucky. 😂

 

[FightingIrish44]

Hey SEC coaches, stop being pansies and PLAY those “lowly” teams out of conference. It should be easy, right? Stop scheduling FCS teams and play Nebraska, Virginia, Iowa State, etc and build your résumé.

All Ole Miss did was schedule Wake Forest, the perennially least talented team in the ACC.

Complete loser coaches in that conference.

 

[Holycrossover3]

I'd rather just see the 12 best teams in the playoff The games will be more exciting and the team that prevails the tournament will get far more respect as a national champion

So why even play the games in the regular season? Does this mean ND should be 12-0 since our F+ ranking is so far of NIU? The F+ rankings I’m looking at:

1. Ohio State (haha)
2. Oregon
3. Texas
4. Notre Dame
5. Ole Miss

Ole Miss lost to LSU, Florida, & Kentucky. F+ rankings of 17, 24, & 44.

Ole Miss should be in the playoffs because why again? Because on paper they “should” have won those games. I should be a billionaire! Where’s my money!?!

 

[BGI User 756]

Figures that Chass would take up the whining argument that both Lane and SJB advocate

Birds of a feather…

Ole Miss had an easier in conf and OOC schedule compared to some peers …and got beat by 4 loss LSU, 5 loss Florida, and 8 loss UK.

They had a great win against UGA and a very good win against So Carolina.

If he wins even one of those 3, his argument is much stronger. But he lost THREE times, that is not an aberration. Furman, Middle Tenn, WF, Ga Southern, 9 loss MSU, 6 loss Okie and 6 loss Arky is 7 guaranteed wins

 

[savvyandsassier]

Hey SEC coaches, stop being pansies and PLAY those “lowly” teams out of conference. It should be easy, right? Stop scheduling FCS teams and play Nebraska, Virginia, Iowa State, etc and build your résumé.

All Ole Miss did was schedule Wake Forest, the perennially least talented team in the ACC.

Complete loser coaches in that conference.

That is absolutely true. They could drop 1-AA teams, that they religiously schedule each year like it's an honored conference tradition or something. And while they would typically win two out three times vs ACC and Big 12 opponents, the losses would continue to pile up. And they'd be even worse off.

 

[chaseball]

Your arguments have not been for the best 12 teams, but for the SEC and Big10 to declare a system and champion of their own.

You mean I've commented on the rumors from a CBS article published back in October about the SEC & BIG10 forming their own exclusive scheduling agreement right?

https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...-with-focus-on-revenue-solidifying-cfp-spots/

I've recently posted some data about these conferences. The SEC was 13-6 (only team with a winning record in interconference P4 matchups) and miles ahead of the other conferences from top to bottom. I think 15 of 16 SEC teams finished inside the top 50 in F+ and the next closest was the big 10 with 11.

 

[stu4don]

Lane needs to focus on not losing 3x to unranked teams

This. And to two 4-loss team. One of which lost to USC.

 

[IrishMike409]

What I fear is going to happen is that a legit playoff team this year is going to get super lucky with a G5 opponent a ACC opponent a big 12 opponent and then only have one really competitive game in the entire playoff while other teams are going through the SEC and Big ten gauntlet at the top.

It's going to hurt the integrity of the trophy if that's the case.

And honestly that team could be Notre Dame.

You "fear" that. Grow up. Act like a man. It's college football. Stop "fearing" things that are completely and totally out of your control.

You "fear" it, then run to a message board to whine about it. Soft way to live.

Better you than me.....

 

[Pennick4]

Lane is a whiny bitch.

 

[chaseball]

So why even play the games in the regular season? Does this mean ND should be 12-0 since our F+ ranking is so far of NIU? The F+ rankings I’m looking at:

1. Ohio State (haha)
2. Oregon
3. Texas
4. Notre Dame
5. Ole Miss

Ole Miss lost to LSU, Florida, & Kentucky. F+ rankings of 17, 24, & 44.

Ole Miss should be in the playoffs because why again? Because on paper they “should” have won those games. I should be a billionaire! Where’s my money!?!

Ole Miss is 9-3 and has 3 losses by a total of 13 points to LSU#17, Florida#22, and Kentucky#44 any of these 3 games could have gone either way.

They ran over 2 top 15 teams by a total of 40+ points: South Carolina#13, and Georgia#8

And they have good wins against competitive teams OU#31, Arkansas#39

This entire body of work has earned them a top 5 F+ ranking.

But the playoff committee are still living in the stone ages basically ranking teams as if all P4 losses and wins are the same with only slight deviation from that methodology

Essentially what this means is that if you compete in a conference void of any good teams and your schedule is weak you can skate through into the playoffs while the SEC and to lesser extent the BIG10 are cancelling each other out in really competitive games vs each other every week. The playoff committee is too stupid to incorporate the quality of opponents into their ranking though (not all wins and losses are the same). Its going to ruin the integrity of the NT trophy and add more fuel to the fire of these conferences breaking off to form their own league/playoff.

 

[Holycrossover3]

Ole Miss is 9-3 and has 3 losses by a total of 13 points to LSU#17, Florida#22, and Kentucky#44 any of these 3 games could have gone either way.

They ran over 2 top 15 teams by a total of 40+ points: South Carolina#13, and Georgia#8

And they have good wins against competitive teams OU#31, Arkansas#39

This entire body of work has earned them a top 5 F+ ranking.

But the playoff committee are still living in the stone ages basically ranking teams as if all P4 losses and wins are the same with only slight deviation from that methodology

Essentially what this means is that if you avoid any losses (regardless of how easy your opponents are) you will get into the playoffs. Making it so teams in really competitive conferences like the SEC and to a lesser extent the BIG10 have an unfair mountain to climb to get to the playoff.

You play to win the games, simple as that. Schedule variance is far too vast in college football to say, well, Ole Miss’ 2 losses are still better than (fill in blank) team’s wins. In your world we would just take the team’s recruiting rankings and throw the top 12 in the playoff.

The beautiful thing about sports is you still have to make the play, even if you’re supposed to make it. If we had a 24 team playoff you’d still be whining about something.

If you want to say Ole Miss should be in over Bama, that’s fine, but miss me with the whole, “on paper they’re better.”

 

[NIN Irish]

Ole Miss is 9-3 and has 3 losses by a total of 13 points to LSU#17, Florida#22, and Kentucky#44 any of these 3 games could have gone either way.

They ran over 2 top 15 teams by a total of 40+ points: South Carolina#13, and Georgia#8

And they have good wins against competitive teams OU#31, Arkansas#39

This entire body of work has earned them a top 5 F+ ranking.

But the playoff committee are still living in the stone ages basically ranking teams as if all P4 losses and wins are the same with only slight deviation from that methodology

Essentially what this means is that if you compete in a conference void of any good teams and your schedule is weak you can skate through into the playoffs while the SEC and to lesser extent the BIG10 are cancelling each other out in really competitive games vs each other every week. The playoff committee is too stupid to incorporate the quality of opponents into their ranking though (not all wins and losses are the same). Its going to ruin the integrity of the NT trophy and add more fuel to the fire of these conferences breaking off to form their own league/playoff.

Face it chase. Ole miss just doesn't deserve it, based on their resume of losing to teams that have also lost a total of 17 games. Losing multiple games like that has to matter. Deal with it.

 

[chaseball]

Brian Kelly's take (video is time stamped):

 

[hvillebill]

A lot of really frustrated SEC coaches.
Guy has a point, Ole Miss is #8 in FPI, #5 in F+ (clear playoff team) not even a back end playoff team but a clear top 10 team being left out for G5, Big12, and ACC junk that belongs nowhere near the playoff.

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You should be a fan of one of those teams instead of wasting your time here.

 

[chaseball]

Funny enough, Brian Kelly is making the argument to diminish his own latter ND tenure where if strength of schedule was taken into consideration his own ND teams would have been left out of the playoff for better teams who simply played tougher schedules and racked up more losses.

 

[BGI User 756]

I’m enjoying watching Chass be the pansy he is

 

[NDSMC78]

Funny enough, Brian Kelly is making the argument to diminish his own latter ND tenure where if strength of schedule was taken into consideration his own ND teams would have been left out of the playoff for better teams who simply played tougher schedules and racked up more losses.

Just the latest occasion of this so-called ND fan slamming ND.

 

[NDinNJ]

Ole Miss is 9-3 and has 3 losses by a total of 13 points to LSU#17, Florida#22, and Kentucky#44 any of these 3 games could have gone either way.

They ran over 2 top 15 teams by a total of 40+ points: South Carolina#13, and Georgia#8

And they have good wins against competitive teams OU#31, Arkansas#39

This entire body of work has earned them a top 5 F+ ranking.
Too bad you're using g the wrong ranking system. Go F yourself and your F+
But the playoff committee are still living in the stone ages basically ranking teams as if all P4 losses and wins are the same with only slight deviation from that methodology

Essentially what this means is that if you compete in a conference void of any good teams and your schedule is weak you can skate through into the playoffs while the SEC and to lesser extent the BIG10 are cancelling each other out in really competitive games vs each other every week. The playoff committee is too stupid to incorporate the quality of opponents into their ranking though (not all wins and losses are the same). Its going to ruin the integrity of the NT trophy and add more fuel to the fire of these conferences breaking off to form their own league/playoff.

 

[BGI User 756]

Brian Kelly's take (video is time stamped):

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Kelly changing tune again. He also is saying the border is secure

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

I agree that Kiffin needs to suck it up and win enough to get into playoffs. But I also believe that the ranking system we have isn't an accurate reflection of who the best teams are. Boise State and Arizona State are ranked in the top 15. And good for them. They deserve it. However, does anyone think they are truly better than LSU or even Florida? Would BSU and ASU having this ranking if they played the schedule of LSU or Florida? Probably not. This brings up the issue of scheduling. Since the SEC and Big 10 loaded their conference with good programs, it leaves other conferences/schools with limited opportunities to state their case. When the conferences had 10-12 teams each, there was usually at least one legit top 10 school to play. In addition to the scheduling issue, they're made so far in advance you have no idea who is going to be good on your schedule. ND schedule for this year could have been very tough if Stanford, SC, and. FSU were all top 10 teams.

It's not gonna happen, but I would like to see no more than 12 teams a conference (to try to establish a balanced schedule for all teams), 12 game schedules, no conference champ games, no bowl games and a 16 team playoff just purely based on rankings. No tie-ins. I think that's about as fair as you can get.

 

[NDinNJ]

I agree that Kiffin needs to suck it up and win enough to get into playoffs. But I also believe that the ranking system we have isn't an accurate reflection of who the best teams are. Boise State and Arizona State are ranked in the top 15. And good for them. They deserve it. However, does anyone think they are truly better than LSU or even Florida? Would BSU and ASU having this ranking if they played the schedule of LSU or Florida? Probably not. This brings up the issue of scheduling. Since the SEC and Big 10 loaded their conference with good programs, it leaves other conferences/schools with limited opportunities to state their case. When the conferences had 10-12 teams each, there was usually at least one legit top 10 school to play. In addition to the scheduling issue, they're made so far in advance you have no idea who is going to be good on your schedule. ND schedule for this year could have been very tough if Stanford, SC, and. FSU were all top 10 teams.

It's not gonna happen, but I would like to see no more than 12 teams a conference (to try to establish a balanced schedule for all teams), 12 game schedules, no conference champ games, no bowl games and a 16 team playoff just purely based on rankings. No tie-ins. I think that's about as fair as you can get.

You do realize it was setup to include all conferences in the FBS to avoid lawsuits. That's why they are including a G5 team.

If they came out and said they are only including teams from the SEC and BIG10, the other conferences would immediately file lawsuits.

The only way the two super conferences could possibly get away with it, is if they broke away from the FBS and formed their own league, and even then their would most likely be lawsuits.

 

[PHJIndy]

Lame Kitten still believe that fans respect his opinions!

 

[christophero]

If your 3 losses are to Texas, Alabama and Georgia then you have a point. But not losing to unranked teams.

 

[sjb75]

...or go independent, and not lose to 4-8 Kentucky. 😂

Or play in the ACC.

9-3 Clemson was blown out by Georgia, lost recently at home to South Carolina, and if they beat SMU, they are in the CFB Playoff.

That’s a good deal.

 

[NDinNJ]

Or play on the ACC.

or schedule USC

 

[christophero]

The SEC got greedy and wanted this super conference. So they don't get to complain when these teams beat up on each other.

 

[Granite45]

Kelly changing tune again. He also is saying the border is secure

Your political jabs are no better than Chaseball's F+ nonsense.

 

[buckey]

A lot of really frustrated SEC coaches.
Guy has a point, Ole Miss is #8 in FPI, #5 in F+ (clear playoff team) not even a back end playoff team but a clear top 10 team being left out for G5, Big12, and ACC junk that belongs nowhere near the playoff.

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You can’t be as stupid as you present yourself to be. sec way overrated and big 10 even more