He's a freak athlete and special talent
Deuce Knight
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Does anyone care that Bryce Young, KVA, Lambert or Cam Williams were 5 stars or high 4 stars last year?
Who the hell cares 🤣
They are big time prospects. They are going to be big time players at ND. It doesn't matter
I already posted this in another thread a few months back, but it might be worth repeating here.
Here's a comparison of the top 10 recruits and their positions by composite ranking in the combined 2023 & 2024 classes and the combined 2016 & 2017 classes.
2016/2017:
1. OT (26)
2. TE (71)
3. OT (79)
4. TE (82)
5. OG (84)
6. WR (108)
7. OT (120)
8. LB (132)
9. DL (147)
10. OT (166)
2023/2024:
1. LB (41)
2. OT (46)
3. WR (47)
4. OT (61)
5. QB (68)
6. DL (73)
7. RB (79)
8. CB (103)
9. LB (106)
10. RB (119)
Yet you do it every time you orgasm over the commitments that the “top 4-7” sign…
lol you are a fraud
Can you please explain what the parentheses numbers are representing ? its kind of confusing to understand what you are presenting here.
Sure, the parentheses show the overall composite ranking of the player in his own year. So the top player in the 2016/2017 column is Tommy Kraemer, who was the composite #26 overall player in 2016. The top player in the 2023/2024 column is KVA, who was #41 overall in 2024. I can see where that's a bit confusing as I combined two years.
The point I hope to make is that recruiting has been more balanced under Freeman than Kelly. Other years were less extreme than 2016/2017, but generally Kelly's recruiting rankings depended heavily on offensive linemen and tight ends with relatively poor recruiting at other positions.
If recruiting under Brian Kelly "...generally depended on the OL and TE positions..," with "...poor recruiting at other positions..," why did Kelly's teams earn 4-team CFB Playoff berths in 2018 and 2020?
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Cool, thanks for the explanation.
I think class balance is an overrated concept because so many of the prospects are likely to never make an impact, several will change positions, etc. so what does it matter if your prospects are spread out more evenly by position?
Maybe over a greater sample size, like say 4 years, class balance starts to make more sense.
Also, is there any reason why you are using 2016 & 2017 as opposed to 2021 and 2022 in the Brian Kelly example? I think the landscape in recruiting has changed so much in the last 5 years that anything before 2020 doesn't really apply in 2024
Because the player development under BK was spectacular, and NDs ACC schedule has been dogturd so ND was able to go unchallenged for most of the regular season and lucked into playoff spots they didn't deserve and predictably got ran over by more talented teams when they eventually faced them in the playoff.
You can't develop 3 & 4 star players better than the competition can develop 4 & 5 star players no matter how good the coaching is.
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OK....what do you want me to do? Stop watching? Stop attending the 1-2 games each year at ND stadium or in a big city? Stop coming here to read about and talk ND? Stop listening to Driskell podcasts?
I don't know how to "hold ND accountable".
I like Freeman. I appreciate the things he's done. The trajectory is heading in the right direction for me. I love the program.
The QB room is loaded. The OL recruiting continues to be good. The DC is locked up, and that unit continues to recruit well. We'll be in the playoff hunt and in the hunt for a title.
I'm good with us never being Georgia or tOSU.
Chase
If you coached a game vs Nick Saban
And you had all 5 stars at every position
And Saban had all 3 stars at every position
You think you would win ?
I think spectacular is a stretch. Iwould say very good. We recruited well usually (8 thru 16) and that's about where we were for most of the Kelly years
The most important position is where the development or recruiting were lacking
No, of course not, but I'm not an FBS head coach.
Would some average G5 head coach with all 5 stars beat a Saban team full of 3 stars ? .. yes I think so at least the large majority of time
The rest of your narrative is that Alabama won the title game 52-24 over Ohio St in 2021, Clemson won the title game 44-16 over Alabama in 2019.
Notre Dame faced iconic, championship teams in both semi's.
I said "relatively poor recruiting at other positions," meaning that everything not TE or OL was poor relative to those two position groups. I think you could make an argument that TE/OL recruiting in the Kelly era was the best in the country - at least top 3. I think all other position groups together were probably around 15th or 20th. That's enough to get to the playoffs occasionally when mid-rated recruits like Julian Love turn out to be elite.
The 2018 playoffs are a great example of the problem. We all remember what an enormous difference it made when Julian Love went down in that playoff game. Having such a major drop off from the starter to the 2nd string guy is a sign that a position group hasn't been recruited well enough.
Fair reply. I used 2-year sample sizes simply because we only have 2 complete classes that are 100% Freeman's. I will fully acknowledge that I used 2016/2017 for Kelly because it was the most extreme example. OL/TE were the strongest overall position group for just about any pair of years, though, which can make it difficult to get your 22 best players on the field.
Clemson beat the crap out of Alabama in the title game.
Losing 30-3 in the semi was not an embarrassment, relative to the title game.
If you want an abundance of 5-Stars, don't make the kids attend class.
Do it like Ohio St and Georgia does.
I think ND is like 1-15 vs top 5 competition and have been outscored in those games by like a -300 point differential over the last 20 some years (I'm shooting from the hip with these numbers, but im probably pretty close).
That should say it all.
That should say it all.
QB Stetson Bennett won 2 titles, and attended Georgia for 6 years.
Again. 6 years.
Never graduated.
That's the culture in the SEC.
School is optional.
"We ain't come here to play school."
Cardale Jones--Quarterback--Ohio St.
Believe him.
Cardale Jones--Quarterback--Ohio St.
Believe him.
But they don't say that. Everyone knows when we sign the #10 player at a position there were nine higher ranking. People look at the guy we signed and talk about his good attributes.
And Michigan just showed what most suspected. A team that has all good players without anyone extremely great can beat the all 5 star squads at Bama.
On3 just ranked Deuce as the number 28 player overall in the country and would be a 5 star at their end of season rankings.
Is he now a better player today than yesterday because they told you so?
He's a 5star talent like I said a year ago. A freak of an athlete. Easy 5 star type player
I have read and listened to concerns about this kid as a Quarterback on the next level. Very raw as a QB according to those who evaluate these things. And to the point that many believe he won't beat out CJ Carr.
Now you're just running your mouth. He's not even a senior yet and every camp they go to says he's improving by the day. Including the OT7 camp where he was the best and the Elite 11 where he performed better than Carr did. He's also a way better athlete. 2 different QBs
What does it matter if he beats him out, he can play after him and with him. There will be packages for him that's a guarantee
Just be happy we are finally recruiting top level QBs instead of trying to put down an elite QB that we are getting.
I have no idea if this kid will be elite on the football field on Saturdays. No one does. Not you. Not me. Not Rivals. Not 247. Not On3. No one does.
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I have listened to those who attend Notre Dame practices and have seen Deuce Knight actually play say that CJ Carr is far, far more polished as a QB than Deuce Knight.
We will see.
You don't need to listen to anyone for that info, that's about as obvious as can be
I do need to listen. I do not attend Notre Dame practices, and watching a Spring game with vanilla defenses and zero game planning tells me nothing.
Since Deuce hasn't been at a ND practice that would tell you nothing. So you would have to watch film of him in HS and compare it to CJ in HS
And it's a obvious as can be. You don't need to be an expert to see
CJ is the most polished QB I've seen ND land since Clausen. Obvious as can be
I am not speaking for myself. Again, simply telling you what has been said. And pretty emphatically.
Deuce Knight has been described, with regards to actually playing in games, as raw. Extremely raw.
Jimmy Clausen is the best passing QB I have ever seen play at Notre Dame, and only played 3 seasons.
That's lofty company.
