Deuce Knight
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Yes the data is clear, MF is recruiting the best at ND since Weis but these classes are much more balanced so probably the best since Holtz.
It's very obvious
Deuce Knight is a freak athlete. Won't be surprised at all of multiple sites have him as a 5 star by the end of the cycle
I know right n if Leonard gets hurt long term I wouldn't be shocked to see Carr this year
Besides the fact that you state this about nearly every high 4 star prospect that commits to ND, what makes you think if he gets a 5th star he stays at ND?
ND is like 5* repellent or something. They are repulsed by a prospect that has a 5th star it seems lol
I have never watched CJ Carr play in an actual college game. Based on what I watched against Oregon State, I would not be shocked to see Steve Angeli be named the backup QB to Riley Leonard, and stay there all of 2024.
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Marcus Freeman's two complete classes:
9th in 2023, 12th in 2024
Brian Kelly's last two classes:
7th in 2022, 9th in 2021
Yea very obvious.
MF has 3 recruiting classes while he's been at ND
2024 275.6
2023 272.4
2022 275.44
Those 3 classes would rank with BKs classes in the last 15 years:
2nd, 3rd and 4th
So MFs 3 classes he's been on staff at ND is better than everyone of BKs classes except 1
So yes, it is very very obvious thar the talent is increasing. If you did the research it is very obvious
And the 25 class will be up there as well and he'll have 4 of the top 5 classes at ND in the last 15 years and all 4 of his classes will be in there
Much better
Yes. You could say that. I have listened to Brady Quinn talk at length how Notre Dame operates NIL. First. They follow the rules. And they administer NIL as it was intended.
And based on how well Notre Dame is recruiting, so far so good.
Has there ever been a 6’5 QB that can run a 4.4 and toss 71 yards who also happens to have won the Elite 11 by at least one service not be a 5 star? lol. It’s silly to me.
Very likely he gets bumped up by the end of it. On3 probably on their next update
Ole Miss had 3 decommits today including their 5 star WR
Yeah he has a lot of technical and mechanical things to work on. He's FAR from a finished product
But the talent is ridiculous. His upside is higher than any QB I ever seen at ND if he signs here
That was my point. My understanding is he is extremely raw as a QB, especially compared to CJ Carr.
Best case scenario is Deuce comes in and sits for 2 or 3 seasons. Learn the position, refine the required skills, then come in ready to go after Carr wins 30 games as a starter.
The recruiting ticked up from 10-15th, to 7-12th starting in 2020 with the '21 class. I think Marcus Freeman has had a net positive impact on recruiting at Notre Dame since he arrived but he doesn't get credit for classes where he was only the HC for 10% of the cycle.
Brian Kelly didn't leave until the very end of the '22 cycle. MF did a good job keeping that class together for the most part but that was Kelly's class
Final class score in this context is irrelevant--how well Notre Dame is doing relative to the rest of the pack is how to measure their year over year recruiting performance.
- '21 class (Brian Kelly head coach): #9
- '22 class (Brian Kelly head coach 90% of cycle): #7
- '23 class (Freeman HC): #9
- '24 class (Freeman HC): #12
- '25 class (Freeman HC): projected top 15 finish
- '25 class (Kelly HC @ LSU): projected top 5 finish
Cj is way more polished and has a higher floor. Huge fan.
Deuce Knight has more potential
If we can get Deuce to stay and wait his turn our QB room will be stacked for the next 5 years
MFs 3 recruiting classes would rank 2nd, 3rd and 4th in the last 15 years at ND
Our 25 class will be another top 10 class for sure
What you are saying is false and just laughable
It's very obvious to see
22 class was MFs. He was the reason for the uptick and the defensive players were his. He also got 2 guys after BK left and he kept the guys committed when they could have went with BK to LSU. They didn't. That was a MF class
And the start of the best 4 year run in recruiting since Weis
MF has had TWO full classes at ND .. he doesn't get credit for another HCs recruiting class just because the class leaned defense heavy and he was DC .. NDs classes were defense heavy before MF got here.
under BK, the defenses were really good from 2017-2020 well before MF came on board. NDs recruiting started improving back in 2020 after ND started to put a ton of wins together several years leading up to that class.
and a lot of teams class scores started to improve around the time of NIL because parody increased in college football recruiting ... that is why you use the Class Rank and not the Class Score to compare classes over that time period.
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MF has been apart of 3 recruiting classes so far since he has been at ND
They are 3 of the top 4 classes at ND in the last 15 years
It's over. Case closed
He wasn't a lousy recruiter at all. His classes lacked balance but he was a stud recruiter.
Individually he was a much better recruiter. Bk didn't like to recruit. He relied on his staff.
He hired a better staff than CW. He was a better coach than CW. He's a better CEO of the program than CW
But in terms of them recruiting individually, CW was better
Anything Brian Kelly is twisted by you to make Kelly look lazy, like a buffoon, and ill equipped to coach CFB.
You have zero clue. I was one of his biggest fans and defenders on this site. Look back at my posting history while he was here
So you are wrong again. If he was a better recruiter especially at the QB position and made a couple better coaching hires I think he would have won a NC here
You only read what you want to read
Only because you see what you want to see
When I say he was a good CEO of the program and coach you avoid reading that part
And he actually was a good recruiter when he wanted to be. He just wasn't always engaged in it
If he was a dawg in recruiting, he was a good enough coach to win a NC here
He did a lot of good at ND, he just had a few things that held him back from taking that final step
I thought he was going to get it done. I was wrong
He almost didn't. JS did save him but to BKs credit he ran with it
Why are you on this forum? You clearly aren't an ND fan. You don't get the school. You are a f'ng idiot. You've been dropped on your head too many times. You are mentally challenged, now go to the LSU forum with that other fool where you clearly belong.
I do not listen to On3.
I do listen to Eric Hansen, and many at Rivals. And what I hear is that Deuce Knight is extremely raw right now playing QB. Far from a polished QB. Great athlete.
CJ Carr? Polished.
