The Anthem
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I guess I can say the same to you. Just because the majority of people as you say think something is bad or wrong doesn't t mean it's against the law or a violation of some other kind. It's part of our freedoms. I don t care for the sitting one bit. Kneeling with a bowed head doesn't bother me in the least.
My point is that the majority of fans think it is disrespectful. It is not a win for the NFL. Of course they have the right to do it and fans have the right to boo or stop watching etc.
Absolutely. Again I think sitting is very disrespectful. Kneeling with head bowed, not at all.
When less than half the voters "elect" a moronic lying traitor it is hard to have respect for a flag that has a fake president representing values that dont actually represent the views
of a majority of its people.
of a majority of its people.
You can always count on the house moron to add something inane to the thread. He seldom disappoints.
Its too bad that you can't recognize the difference between a tirade and a statement. I have a very strong opinion as to the anthem and the pledge. You have a very strong opinion as to both also. Isn't that was our service members fought for - so we can have, and voice, differing opinions? How is exercising a right that is the linchpin of the Constitution considered to be disrespectful?
Hello, USMC here....
It's too bad you can't figure out that I'm not against the 1st amendment. There's a time and a place for your protests. The singing of the National Anthem isn't that time or place. There wouldn't be a 1st amendment without the sacrifices of our veterans. You should not be disrespecting the very people who've allowed you to have the ability to voice your opinions. If anything, that should be the part of your protest that you celebrate most.
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What with so much wrong in this country why don't you and all the bleeding heart liberals who fester in this cesspool of negativity take your idoligy and peddle it outside of this country. Let their citizens fight and die so you can vent your disrespect and doom and gloom? Oh yes, be sure to do it in a "safe" place.
Semper Fi!
very true. that's why protesters choose high visibility forums like the anthem. maximizes attention. It's why people collecting for charity go downtown
And for all the talk of "This isn't the right way" I haven't heard any suggestions of what would be acceptable
How many of those lime light protestors were on the streets at night during the big marches?
Does Colin K live in a black neighborhood?
Did Jerry Jones donate to Blue Live Matter?
Common sense and decency I believe. That is unless you're ok with the Westboro Church clan showing up at service member funerals to protest the war.... Can't have it both ways.
"Silly ritual to a piece of cloth"?
What a thing to say. Don't get me wrong, it's your right to say it, but it's my right to call you a jackass for doing so.
What a thing to say. Don't get me wrong, it's your right to say it, but it's my right to call you a jackass for doing so.
The same piece of clothing that covers the casket of my fallen brothers I find that comment extremely offensive.
That's a question better posed to the people who actually did the fighting to maintain those treasured rights that Americans have.
Duck, totally agree with your statement about differing opinions and the right to express same, and the fact our military service has and continues to sacrifice for us to enjoy this right. I totally disagree with your conclusion delivered as a question that suggests exercising this right can therefore never be disrespectful. Of course a given act can be disrespectful and ugly and vulgar and any variety of adjective, and still be exercised as one of our most important rights as guaranteed under the constitution. Burning the American flag as a statement of protest comes to mind.
When I was a little kid, maybe aged 7 or 8, me and my friends next door (a pair of twins my age) started standing for the National Anthem whenever it played on TV prior to a sporting event. The adults and older kids all looked at us like we were screwy. Lasted for about a month as I recall.
So for all of you out there who don't stand at home when the anthem plays, WHY DO YOU HATE OUR TROOPS?!!
So for all of you out there who don't stand at home when the anthem plays, WHY DO YOU HATE OUR TROOPS?!!
After repeatedly being referred to as a snowflake over the last year or so, I'm glad to see so many of my conservative fellow fans getting in touch with their sensitive sides and being indignant over someone else's actions and statements. Welcome to the Snowflake Train!
Can’t wait for the time when the anthem isn’t played at sporting events. A 100years from now, people will look back at this strange tradition and say, “I can’t believe people used to play a patriotic anthem before some game.” It will all be looked at as silly and rightfully so.
No. According to many in this thread, standing means you love and support the troops and not standing means you disrespect the troops and hate America.
Better get your butt out of that Lazy Boy during the SSB wicker or your neighbors are going to start to boycott your business.
You do realize that there were slaves already in the US during the War of 1812, and the British were promising slaves who fought for the crown freedom and transportation to a British colony?
The entire poem is about the bombardment of Fort McHenry by the British. I was responding to the point made about stanza 3. It is not about celebrating the death of slaves who joined the British. The British actually paritipated in more of a relocation effort than a fight for your freedom program. Around 4000 total were evacuated during the war. Some were re-enslaved on ships or in the Caribbean. Most estimate say the vast majority were transported to Bermuda and Nova Scotia. Around 200 fought in the Colonial Marines and a few hundred more were on ships in the British Navy. That being said, that particular stanza, as most of the poem is talking about the Americans and their withstanding of the shelling. It was actually a British Victory of sorts since they ran out of ammo and could not continue. But in the greater scheme of things, like most of the War it was a push as the Fort withstanding the Bombardment kept Baltimore in tact.
Damn right ! Trump didn't get five deferments so those overpaid sob's could take a knee !
Then what is it referring to?
"No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:"
So lemme get this right.
The Corps of Colonial Marines consisted of three units composed of runaway slaves.
At least one of those units was part of the Battle of Baltimore, which included the bombardment of Fort McHenry.
Key was a slave owner who utilized his position as District Attorney for the City of Washington to go after abolitionists. He even attempted to have an abolitionist hanged for handing out abolitionist pamphlets (US vs. Reuben Crandall).
Key made several statements on record about how he considered black people inferior.
Key was on the HMS Tonnant during the entire Battle of Baltimore. He was there negotiating a prisoner's release and wasn't allowed to leave because he knew the positions of the British army and navy. It has been noted that slaves fled to British ships during the battle to escape slavery.
He then throws in this line into his poem:
"No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave..."
Based on all of that, and considering that preceding lines on that stanza of the poem were talking trash to the British soldiers around him who thought the American forces would be easily routed, you don't think he's specifically talking trash any runaway slave he saw boarding British ships during the battle and saying there was nowhere for them to hide from the American forces other than the grave?
Sounds like he's gleefully wishing them dead to me. It might be a bit convoluted, but it's definitely smack talk for that time.
I'm curious, is kid rock's flag smock glorifying the flag or is it demeaning it? I would venture a guess that it's the former. R you really trying to draw a parallel to someone wearing the flag like a smock to these players turning their backs on the flag or kneeling while the anthem is played? These are opposites. One person is glorifying the flag, the others might as well be burning it. And if kid rock were a liberal and used the flag like a smock, I'd say the same thing. Although, if he were a liberal, he wouldn't do it cuz he'd be ripped to shreds by his fellow left wingers for doing so.
Ludicrous conjecture and more of the nonsensical attempt to rewrite history to suit the liberal "destroy America" agenda.
Meanwhile, Trump diverts attention from yet another failed attempt to repeal Obamacare (the guy has done nothing since being elected.) Spends time tweeting while the people of Puerto Rico are suffering...
And proposes a tax plan that will save him.... 1 Billion while the rest of us pay more and the deficit balloons...
And proposes a tax plan that will save him.... 1 Billion while the rest of us pay more and the deficit balloons...
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