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The popularity contest continues...The beauty pageant rolls on....

Let's take the top 6 and dissect the sham

#1 Oregon
They played two games I would consider tough. Just two. Both at home.
Ironically both were won via field goal. One that was made as time expired and one that never happened as time expired.
Boise State and Ohio State
Should they be #1? You be the judge on that.

#2 Georgia
Oh the good old trendy favoritism continues.
Beat Clemson at a neutral by a good margin. I don't know the intangibles there..but it was 6-0 at the half.
Since that win they beat Kentucky by 1 point. Yes KU! By ONE!
They were down 30-7 at the half to an average Alabama team. Lost by seven points at the end to a Bama team that should have 3 losses!
Beat a very bad MSU team by 10
Beat a Texas team on the road but this Texas team was riding excitement and trendy rah rah. Texas should NOT have been #1 nor a top 5 team.

#3 PSU
Might have the best resume at present..or the second best. At the very least they should be ranked #2.
No losses, Beat a ranked Illinois team by 14, Beat USC which does have some athletes on the road..
If they can finally get over the OSU hump they should be #1 and will stay there the rest of the year. NO Michigan on the schedule this year.
Not saying they're the best team but at this point probably has the strongest cleanest unbeaten resume.

#4 OSU
They've played one tough game. Just one. At Oregon and they lost. Coulda, woulda, but didn't....
Should be ranked higher than Georgia..

#5 Texas
one tough game and a 15 point loss at home. The rest of their schedule to this point has been WEAK!
They are not a #5 team.

#6 Miami
Can you spell lucky? That said they haven't lost yet.


At this point in the year the undefeated teams should never be ranked lower than a 1 loss team.

This will all sort itself by year's end but half way through the year 1 one loss teams should be lining up behind the undefeated teams. Period!

Army, Navy..
More love for them please!!! Nobody in the top ten would want anything to do with them...
They need ranked higher. period!

If OSU is ranked #4 then Boise State should be no lower than 6th
Again a big game loss on the road that was nearly identical to OSU's only loss.
Yet Boise State isn't in the trendy beauty club. Another reason why we need even more than 12 playoff teams.
Would you like to play Boise State? I promise you Oregon and any other top ten teams want no part of that.

Let's talk about our beloved.
#12

We can run the ball. Perhaps the best in the country.
We CAN'T PASS the ball. The worst thing that happened was Michigan winning last year showing you can win a title being a running team. That's fine but J.J. could throw the ball when needed. Real passes.
RL can't make those throws when needed. Plus Michigan didn't lose. We already lost one.
Defense we are a top 5 unit.
We just don't have the pretty style points and when we HAVE to throw the ball to steal a game...one of those games that always comes up...we will be in trouble.

Where should we be right now?
Who knows..Does it really matter if we are #8 or #14? If we deserve to be in the top 12 it will sort itself out by years end.
The USC game if we get through the academies will be everything and USC playing with motivation to ruin our chances.
Can we get there with only one loss....

That FSU game still scares me. Maybe it shouldn't and perhaps FSU has given the coach the deaf ear and written the season off but that will be a cool fall night game.
Laws of averages can kick in too...as in if they don't win again until then they will be due.
FSU is 1-6
If we sleepwalk in that game it could be a problem.
 
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88ND said:
The popularity contest continues...The beauty pageant rolls on....

Let's take the top 6 and dissect the sham

#1 Oregon
They played two games I would consider tough. Just two. Both at home.
Ironically both were won via field goal. One that was made as time expired and one that never happened as time expired.
Boise State and Ohio State
Should they be #1? You be the judge on that.

#2 Georgia
Oh the good old trendy favoritism continues.
Beat Clemson at a neutral by a good margin. I don't know the intangibles there..but it was 6-0 at the half.
Since that win they beat Kentucky by 1 point. Yes KU! By ONE!
They were down 30-7 at the half to an average Alabama team. Lost by seven points at the end to a Bama team that should have 3 losses!
Beat a very bad MSU team by 10
Beat a Texas team on the road but this Texas team was riding excitement and trendy rah rah. Texas should NOT have been #1 nor a top 5 team.

#3 PSU
Might have the best resume at present..or the second best. At the very least they should be ranked #2.
No losses, Beat a ranked Illinois team by 14, Beat USC which does have some athletes on the road..
If they can finally get over the OSU hump they should be #1 and will stay there the rest of the year. NO Michigan on the schedule this year.
Not saying they're the best team but at this point probably has the strongest cleanest unbeaten resume.

#4 OSU
They've played one tough game. Just one. At Oregon and they lost. Coulda, woulda, but didn't....
Should be ranked higher than Georgia..

#5 Texas
one tough game and a 15 point loss at home. The rest of their schedule to this point has been WEAK!
They are not a #5 team.

#6 Miami
Can you spell lucky? That said they haven't lost yet.


At this point in the year the undefeated teams should never be ranked lower than a 1 loss team.

This will all sort itself by year's end but half way through the year 1 one loss teams should be lining up behind the undefeated teams. Period!

Army, Navy..
More love for them please!!! Nobody in the top ten would want anything to do with them...
They need ranked higher. period!

If OSU is ranked #4 then Boise State should be no lower than 6th
Again a big game loss on the road that was nearly identical to OSU's only loss.
Yet Boise State isn't in the trendy beauty club. Another reason why we need even more than 12 playoff teams.
Would you like to play Boise State? I promise you Oregon and any other top ten teams want no part of that.

Let's talk about our beloved.
#12

We can run the ball. Perhaps the best in the country.
We CAN'T PASS the ball. The worst thing that happened was Michigan winning last year showing you can win a title being a running team. That's fine but J.J. could throw the ball when needed. Real passes.
RL can't make those throws when needed. Plus Michigan didn't lose. We already lost one.
Defense we are a top 5 unit.
We just don't have the pretty style points and when we HAVE to throw the ball to steal a game...one of those games that always comes up...we will be in trouble.

Where should we be right now?
Who knows..Does it really matter if we are #8 or #14? If we deserve to be in the top 12 it will sort itself out by years end.
The USC game if we get through the academies will be everything and USC playing with motivation to ruin our chances.
Can we get there with only one loss....

That FSU game still scares me. Maybe it shouldn't and perhaps FSU has given the coach the deaf ear and written the season off but that will be a cool fall night game.
Laws of averages can kick in too...as in if they don't win again until then they will be due.
FSU is 1-6
If we sleepwalk in that game it could be a problem.
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Stopped reading when you said Ped State might have the best resume

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Right now there isn't really a clear best team IMO. So putting Oregon #1 is fine, since they're undefeated, with the big win over Ohio State. But do I think they're really the best team? No. I think Georgia is, personally. Going into Texas and winning like that was impressive.

Georgia has a really tough schedule this year, with games against Clemson, Alabama, Texas, Ole Miss and Tennessee.
 
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Polls dont get serious until the last couple weeks of the season. As much as people bitch about the new playoff format when the middle of November rolls around and there is 16-20 fanbases with hopes of making playoffs the engagement, hype and debate will be off the charts.
 
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echowaker said:
I think OSU boat races them.
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That has become a helmet game for PSU.
They've been better in many years and still find a way to lose that game. JF is a bit like Brian Kelly was here ...
still struggling to win those "big games"
 
popularity contests are what they are

and now they do not matter at all as regards the NC which is good
 
raulduke_007 said:
Polls dont get serious until the last couple weeks of the season. As much as people bitch about the new playoff format when the middle of November rolls around and there is 16-20 fanbases with hopes of making playoffs the engagement, hype and debate will be off the charts.
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Engagement, hype and debate, that's what it's all about. It's what this country was built on.
 
88ND said:
The popularity contest continues...The beauty pageant rolls on....

Let's take the top 6 and dissect the sham

#1 Oregon
They played two games I would consider tough. Just two. Both at home.
Ironically both were won via field goal. One that was made as time expired and one that never happened as time expired.
Boise State and Ohio State
Should they be #1? You be the judge on that.

#2 Georgia
Oh the good old trendy favoritism continues.
Beat Clemson at a neutral by a good margin. I don't know the intangibles there..but it was 6-0 at the half.
Since that win they beat Kentucky by 1 point. Yes KU! By ONE!
They were down 30-7 at the half to an average Alabama team. Lost by seven points at the end to a Bama team that should have 3 losses!
Beat a very bad MSU team by 10
Beat a Texas team on the road but this Texas team was riding excitement and trendy rah rah. Texas should NOT have been #1 nor a top 5 team.

#3 PSU
Might have the best resume at present..or the second best. At the very least they should be ranked #2.
No losses, Beat a ranked Illinois team by 14, Beat USC which does have some athletes on the road..
If they can finally get over the OSU hump they should be #1 and will stay there the rest of the year. NO Michigan on the schedule this year.
Not saying they're the best team but at this point probably has the strongest cleanest unbeaten resume.

#4 OSU
They've played one tough game. Just one. At Oregon and they lost. Coulda, woulda, but didn't....
Should be ranked higher than Georgia..

#5 Texas
one tough game and a 15 point loss at home. The rest of their schedule to this point has been WEAK!
They are not a #5 team.

#6 Miami
Can you spell lucky? That said they haven't lost yet.


At this point in the year the undefeated teams should never be ranked lower than a 1 loss team.

This will all sort itself by year's end but half way through the year 1 one loss teams should be lining up behind the undefeated teams. Period!

Army, Navy..
More love for them please!!! Nobody in the top ten would want anything to do with them...
They need ranked higher. period!

If OSU is ranked #4 then Boise State should be no lower than 6th
Again a big game loss on the road that was nearly identical to OSU's only loss.
Yet Boise State isn't in the trendy beauty club. Another reason why we need even more than 12 playoff teams.
Would you like to play Boise State? I promise you Oregon and any other top ten teams want no part of that.

Let's talk about our beloved.
#12

We can run the ball. Perhaps the best in the country.
We CAN'T PASS the ball. The worst thing that happened was Michigan winning last year showing you can win a title being a running team. That's fine but J.J. could throw the ball when needed. Real passes.
RL can't make those throws when needed. Plus Michigan didn't lose. We already lost one.
Defense we are a top 5 unit.
We just don't have the pretty style points and when we HAVE to throw the ball to steal a game...one of those games that always comes up...we will be in trouble.

Where should we be right now?
Who knows..Does it really matter if we are #8 or #14? If we deserve to be in the top 12 it will sort itself out by years end.
The USC game if we get through the academies will be everything and USC playing with motivation to ruin our chances.
Can we get there with only one loss....

That FSU game still scares me. Maybe it shouldn't and perhaps FSU has given the coach the deaf ear and written the season off but that will be a cool fall night game.
Laws of averages can kick in too...as in if they don't win again until then they will be due.
FSU is 1-6
If we sleepwalk in that game it could be a problem.
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What I don't understand, you say the academies should be ranked higher, yet discuss the top 5 hasn't played anyone. Have you seen the teams the academies have played. Look, as for the academies, I respect what they do, their service to our country, but their football glory ended decades ago.
 
88ND said:
The popularity contest continues...The beauty pageant rolls on....

Let's take the top 6 and dissect the sham

#1 Oregon
They played two games I would consider tough. Just two. Both at home.
Ironically both were won via field goal. One that was made as time expired and one that never happened as time expired.
Boise State and Ohio State
Should they be #1? You be the judge on that.

#2 Georgia
Oh the good old trendy favoritism continues.
Beat Clemson at a neutral by a good margin. I don't know the intangibles there..but it was 6-0 at the half.
Since that win they beat Kentucky by 1 point. Yes KU! By ONE!
They were down 30-7 at the half to an average Alabama team. Lost by seven points at the end to a Bama team that should have 3 losses!
Beat a very bad MSU team by 10
Beat a Texas team on the road but this Texas team was riding excitement and trendy rah rah. Texas should NOT have been #1 nor a top 5 team.

#3 PSU
Might have the best resume at present..or the second best. At the very least they should be ranked #2.
No losses, Beat a ranked Illinois team by 14, Beat USC which does have some athletes on the road..
If they can finally get over the OSU hump they should be #1 and will stay there the rest of the year. NO Michigan on the schedule this year.
Not saying they're the best team but at this point probably has the strongest cleanest unbeaten resume.

#4 OSU
They've played one tough game. Just one. At Oregon and they lost. Coulda, woulda, but didn't....
Should be ranked higher than Georgia..

#5 Texas
one tough game and a 15 point loss at home. The rest of their schedule to this point has been WEAK!
They are not a #5 team.

#6 Miami
Can you spell lucky? That said they haven't lost yet.


At this point in the year the undefeated teams should never be ranked lower than a 1 loss team.

This will all sort itself by year's end but half way through the year 1 one loss teams should be lining up behind the undefeated teams. Period!

Army, Navy..
More love for them please!!! Nobody in the top ten would want anything to do with them...
They need ranked higher. period!

If OSU is ranked #4 then Boise State should be no lower than 6th
Again a big game loss on the road that was nearly identical to OSU's only loss.
Yet Boise State isn't in the trendy beauty club. Another reason why we need even more than 12 playoff teams.
Would you like to play Boise State? I promise you Oregon and any other top ten teams want no part of that.

Let's talk about our beloved.
#12

We can run the ball. Perhaps the best in the country.
We CAN'T PASS the ball. The worst thing that happened was Michigan winning last year showing you can win a title being a running team. That's fine but J.J. could throw the ball when needed. Real passes.
RL can't make those throws when needed. Plus Michigan didn't lose. We already lost one.
Defense we are a top 5 unit.
We just don't have the pretty style points and when we HAVE to throw the ball to steal a game...one of those games that always comes up...we will be in trouble.

Where should we be right now?
Who knows..Does it really matter if we are #8 or #14? If we deserve to be in the top 12 it will sort itself out by years end.
The USC game if we get through the academies will be everything and USC playing with motivation to ruin our chances.
Can we get there with only one loss....

That FSU game still scares me. Maybe it shouldn't and perhaps FSU has given the coach the deaf ear and written the season off but that will be a cool fall night game.
Laws of averages can kick in too...as in if they don't win again until then they will be due.
FSU is 1-6
If we sleepwalk in that game it could be a problem.
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A dork.
 
NDinNJ said:
What I don't understand, you say the academies should be ranked higher, yet discuss the top 5 hasn't played anyone. Have you seen the teams the academies have played. Look, as for the academies, I respect what they do, their service to our country, but their football glory ended decades ago.
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That's two fold.

I didn't suggest Army and Navy be #1 and #2

They don't get the athletes they once got.
Now there's many reasons for that and we could discuss for hours. How the family and individual has turned yellow and lost its spine to just simply being a selfish me first world today that also begins from the top down, i.e. family.

Second issue...
Just as the voters love propping up teams based on reputation and perception they also look down on the academies simply by default.
While they pad a ranking based on what a team has done lately, (as in the previous 5 years)
the voters also thumb their nose at the academies.

That also doesn't help the academies get better athletes.
And one day this playoff will be a 16 team and eventually a 24 team playoff..
God forbid they include the best academy as an automatic.
I'd be all for that and something that wouldn't hurt in the least those teams getting some better players periodically.
Never a bad thing.
 
88ND said:
The popularity contest continues...The beauty pageant rolls on....

Let's take the top 6 and dissect the sham

#1 Oregon
They played two games I would consider tough. Just two. Both at home.
Ironically both were won via field goal. One that was made as time expired and one that never happened as time expired.
Boise State and Ohio State
Should they be #1? You be the judge on that.

#2 Georgia
Oh the good old trendy favoritism continues.
Beat Clemson at a neutral by a good margin. I don't know the intangibles there..but it was 6-0 at the half.
Since that win they beat Kentucky by 1 point. Yes KU! By ONE!
They were down 30-7 at the half to an average Alabama team. Lost by seven points at the end to a Bama team that should have 3 losses!
Beat a very bad MSU team by 10
Beat a Texas team on the road but this Texas team was riding excitement and trendy rah rah. Texas should NOT have been #1 nor a top 5 team.

#3 PSU
Might have the best resume at present..or the second best. At the very least they should be ranked #2.
No losses, Beat a ranked Illinois team by 14, Beat USC which does have some athletes on the road..
If they can finally get over the OSU hump they should be #1 and will stay there the rest of the year. NO Michigan on the schedule this year.
Not saying they're the best team but at this point probably has the strongest cleanest unbeaten resume.

#4 OSU
They've played one tough game. Just one. At Oregon and they lost. Coulda, woulda, but didn't....
Should be ranked higher than Georgia..

#5 Texas
one tough game and a 15 point loss at home. The rest of their schedule to this point has been WEAK!
They are not a #5 team.

#6 Miami
Can you spell lucky? That said they haven't lost yet.


At this point in the year the undefeated teams should never be ranked lower than a 1 loss team.

This will all sort itself by year's end but half way through the year 1 one loss teams should be lining up behind the undefeated teams. Period!

Army, Navy..
More love for them please!!! Nobody in the top ten would want anything to do with them...
They need ranked higher. period!

If OSU is ranked #4 then Boise State should be no lower than 6th
Again a big game loss on the road that was nearly identical to OSU's only loss.
Yet Boise State isn't in the trendy beauty club. Another reason why we need even more than 12 playoff teams.
Would you like to play Boise State? I promise you Oregon and any other top ten teams want no part of that.

Let's talk about our beloved.
#12

We can run the ball. Perhaps the best in the country.
We CAN'T PASS the ball. The worst thing that happened was Michigan winning last year showing you can win a title being a running team. That's fine but J.J. could throw the ball when needed. Real passes.
RL can't make those throws when needed. Plus Michigan didn't lose. We already lost one.
Defense we are a top 5 unit.
We just don't have the pretty style points and when we HAVE to throw the ball to steal a game...one of those games that always comes up...we will be in trouble.

Where should we be right now?
Who knows..Does it really matter if we are #8 or #14? If we deserve to be in the top 12 it will sort itself out by years end.
The USC game if we get through the academies will be everything and USC playing with motivation to ruin our chances.
Can we get there with only one loss....

That FSU game still scares me. Maybe it shouldn't and perhaps FSU has given the coach the deaf ear and written the season off but that will be a cool fall night game.
Laws of averages can kick in too...as in if they don't win again until then they will be due.
FSU is 1-6
If we sleepwalk in that game it could be a problem.
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Navy: They need ranked higher period !
 
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I'll repeat my take on a 12 team playoff: it's really about getting the best 6-8 teams. The last 4 will have more consequential margin for error...the price for not being in the top 6-8.
 
NDinNJ said:
This didn't age well. Kinda like RL being 1st round talent. 😂
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You're such a dope.

I was mocking 88nd from his original post that Navy should be ranked higher !!

🤣🤣🤣

You can't win tonight loser

Still struggling with reading I see
 
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Fightingirish595 said:
I don’t care about the polls but I can’t wait to see what the voters cook up to keep us out of the top 10
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I think ND will still be #12 or perhaps #11. Everyone else won. LSU will drop behind ND but Indiana will probably jump ND.

I just don’t want to see A&M jump ND. Outside of a 12-1 record, A&M has no business being ahead of ND.
 
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FightingIrish44 said:
I think ND will still be #12 or perhaps #11. Everyone else won. LSU will drop behind ND but Indiana will probably jump ND.

I just don’t want to see A&M jump ND. Outside of a 12-1 record, A&M has no business being ahead of ND.
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I wouldn't be surprised if A&M jumped us and moved into the top 10. A few weeks ago, LSU did that very thing, after beating Ole Miss.

Some of these voters seem to want a certain number of SEC teams in the top 10, no matter what.

So we're unlikely to move up much today.
 
FightingIrish44 said:
I think ND will still be #12 or perhaps #11. Everyone else won. LSU will drop behind ND but Indiana will probably jump ND.

I just don’t want to see A&M jump ND. Outside of a 12-1 record, A&M has no business being ahead of ND.
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0 arguement for tennesse or clemson above ND.

Iowa state and BYU were above ND this week but below those two teams. Joke
 
Heather Dinich with no Notre dame in the top 12, but A and M number 6!. Refuse to post the link. She is the absolute worst what an embarassment to the univeristy she is
 
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Heather Dinich with no Notre dame in the top 12, but A and M number 6!. Refuse to post the link. She is the absolute worst what an embarassment to the univeristy she is
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She's the usual modern day clueless journalist. I don't know any really good writers right now, be it sports or other topics. The majority have an agenda...asserting the why, rather than who, what, when, and where.

I read The Athletic, but the same holds. Once upon a time journalists were vetted, took their time, and were decently paid. Today it's like real time thought propagation, publishing fast and furiously, with a social media edge...for a few dollars more.
 
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Fightingirish595 said:
0 arguement for tennesse or clemson above ND.

Iowa state and BYU were above ND this week but below those two teams. Joke
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I was only stating what I think the AP poll will do.

I think ND and Clemson have very similar résumés. It’s a coin flip IMO. If Clemson soundly beats Louisville, I’d have to put them over ND.
 
FightingIrish44 said:
I was only stating what I think the AP poll will do.

I think ND and Clemson have very similar résumés. It’s a coin flip IMO. If Clemson soundly beats Louisville, I’d have to put them over ND.
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I disagree about our resumes being similar. The only thing similar is the records. We've beaten 4 teams with winning records, including a very good Texas A&M team. Clemson hasn't beaten anybody with a current winning record. Their loss was to a much better team, but they got blown out. So I'm biased, but I think our resume's better overall.
 
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I disagree about our resumes being similar. The only thing similar is the records. We've beaten 4 teams with winning records, including a very good Texas A&M team. Clemson hasn't beaten anybody with a current winning record. Their loss was to a much better team, but they got blown out. So I'm biased, but I think our resume's better overall.
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Clemson is crushing people. ND lost to NIU. That’s why it evens out for me.

ND has the best wins in terms of “who”, but Clemson has been more impressive with how dominant they’ve been over Power 4 teams. My inclination would probably be to pick Clemson to win over ND but having Leonard at QB would make me re think that.

That’s why I want one more week of data to separate the two.
 
FightingIrish44 said:
Clemson is crushing people. ND lost to NIU. That’s why it evens out for me.

ND has the best wins in terms of “who”, but Clemson has been more impressive with how dominant they’ve been over Power 4 teams. My inclination would probably be to pick Clemson to win over ND but having Leonard at QB would make me re think that.

That’s why I want one more week of data to separate the two.
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It's a tough one...but speaks to how much harder it is to rank beyond the top 6 - 8.

I am clueless on who would win between ND and Clemson...all I can say is: play and see.

Really ND should have beaten NIU to alleviate any doubt about playoffs.

Now ND needs to win, which should be enough...but win with style points, leaving no stone unturned.
 
banmate6 said:
It's a tough one...but speaks to how much harder it is to rank beyond the top 6 - 8.

I am clueless on who would win between ND and Clemson...all I can say is: play and see.

Really ND should have beaten NIU to alleviate any doubt about playoffs.

Now ND needs to win, which should be enough...but win with style points, leaving no stone unturned.
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My gut says Clemson is the more complete team but Leonard is the more dangerous QB which creates a bit of a wash.

If Clemson crushes Louisville then they should be ahead of ND IMO.
 
FightingIrish44 said:
Clemson is crushing people. ND lost to NIU. That’s why it evens out for me.

ND has the best wins in terms of “who”, but Clemson has been more impressive with how dominant they’ve been over Power 4 teams. My inclination would probably be to pick Clemson to win over ND but having Leonard at QB would make me re think that.

That’s why I want one more week of data to separate the two.
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Well, we've had one common opponent, Stanford. And we beat them worse - 49-7 vs 40-14.

They've played a bunch of bottom feeders from the ACC.

They have Louisville, Virginia Tech and Pitt left in conference - so they finally start playing some of the better ACC teams the next few weeks.
 
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mbd11 said:
Well, we've had one common opponent, Stanford. And we beat them worse - 49-7 vs 40-14.

They've played a bunch of bottom feeders from the ACC.

They have Louisville, Virginia Tech and Pitt left in conference - so they finally start playing some of the better ACC teams the next few weeks.
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Stanford is just one game and that’s just the score you cited.

I already said that ND has better wins in terms of “who”. Clemson crushed everyone they beat. Clemson crushed Appalachian State where ND lost to NIU. They’re pretty darn equal.
 
FightingIrish44 said:
Stanford is just one game and that’s just the score you cited.

I already said that ND has better wins in terms of “who”. Clemson crushed everyone they beat.
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We've been crushing teams lately too, though. So they didn't lose to one of their weaker opponents, like we did. But the teams they've beaten just aren't very good. Like I said, their 3 toughest ACC games are their last 3 coming up. So we'll see how they do there. They also play a decent South Carolina to end the season.

Their schedule's mostly backloaded, other than the Georgia game at the beginning.
 
FightingIrish44 said:
Not the way Clemson has and ND got lucky that Navy had six turnovers.
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Again, if they crush their last 3 ACC opponents, then I'll be more impressed. They all have winning records, and Pitt's undefeated.

I'm not ready to declare Clemson "back" until they beat some decent teams.
 
mbd11 said:
Again, if they crush their last 3 ACC opponents, then I'll be more impressed. They all have winning records, and Pitt's undefeated.

I'm not ready to declare Clemson "back" until they beat some decent teams.
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That’s fine. All I’m saying is that their resume is very comparable to ND’s.
 
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FightingIrish44 said:
I think ND will still be #12 or perhaps #11. Everyone else won. LSU will drop behind ND but Indiana will probably jump ND.

I just don’t want to see A&M jump ND. Outside of a 12-1 record, A&M has no business being ahead of ND.
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FightingIrish44 said:
I was only stating what I think the AP poll will do.

I think ND and Clemson have very similar résumés. It’s a coin flip IMO. If Clemson soundly beats Louisville, I’d have to put them over ND.
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mbd11 said:
Again, if they crush their last 3 ACC opponents, then I'll be more impressed. They all have winning records, and Pitt's undefeated.

I'm not ready to declare Clemson "back" until they beat some decent teams.
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Clemson? Their main talking point is that they got crushed by a really good team. They just did not come as close as Kentucky, Auburn, Bama MSST, Texas.
 
This is a really tough/odd year I think. I don't really see a clear cut favorite or any team that is standing out as the best team in the country.

I think Oregon is in control of their destiny at this point because their schedule is pretty soft to end the season. But, they will have a BIG title game to play.

Georgia still strikes me as the most complete team, though I believe their QB is suspect and might be their achilles heal.

PSU is the odd ball. I'm not sure what to think of them yet, even though they may have the best resume to this point. They need to beat OSU, end of story.

OSU could very run the table and beat everyone. I hate em, but they're always very good across the board.

I don't know how the playoff seeding will shake out, but at this point, I would not be surprised if its an OSU vs UGA title game.
 
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