S.I.'s 10 Top Heisman Candidates for 2016

[TheDecker]

Wow.

It's like @Duo was just to dumb to read how I said (over and over) that Hogan had the game of his life and that he was the difference for Stanford....and instead managed to employ @cgvr levels of stupidity and apply the fact that 1 single player was ineffective to an emigre team

That was perhaps the most pathetic post in this entire thread @Duo amdnthats saying something considering the BS that @cgvr has been spewing here

 

[TheDecker]

Yep, McCaffrey accounted for 40% of Stanford's yards. That kind of makes you.... well you know.....

On 40% or more of their touches?

You really have no idea what being an effective player means, do you??

And let me guess....you're trying to count Special Teams yards the same as offensive yards again, aren't you???

My God @cgvr you and @Duo ate locked in an intense battle for the stupidest post in this thread

You may have just retaken the lead!

Lol at the pair of idiots
@Duo
@cgvr

 

[cgvr]

On 40% or more of their touches?

You really have no idea what being an effective player means, do you??

And let me guess....you're trying to count Special Teams yards the same as offensive yards again, aren't you???

My God @cgvr you and @Duo ate locked in an intense battle for the stupidest post in this thread

You may have just retaken the lead!

Lol at the pair of idiots
@Duo
@cgvr

Why don't you define the parameters of being an effective player. PS When it comes to calculating all purpose yards they are equal. Would you care to contact the NCAA and other groups to tell them why they shouldn't be included in APY stats? Keep your roll going it's an awesome display.

 

[TheDecker]

Why don't you define the parameters of being an effective player. PS When it comes to calculating all purpose yards they are equal. Would you care to contact the NCAA and other groups to tell them why they shouldn't be included in APY stats? Keep your roll going it's an awesome display.

It's obvious, efficiently and effectively altering the outcome of plays, above the level of what a replacement level player would (in the same position).

McAffery didn't do that against ND
He failed to generate much offensive production and was very inefficient

And I LOVE watching you continue to pretend Special Teams yardage is the same as Offensive Yardage..........lol
(as if a 25 Yard KR is the same as a 25 Yard Rush)

God............PLEASE keep posting...........you humiliate yourself more with every single post!!

lol @cgvr

 

[TheDecker]

I think we may need to start a poll of who has humiliated themselves more ITT

I think @cgvr would take the vote, but @Duo would defintely give him a run for his money!

 

[cgvr]

It's obvious, efficiently and effectively altering the outcome of plays, above the level of what a replacement level player would (in the same position).

McAffery didn't do that against ND
He failed to generate much offensive production and was very inefficient

And I LOVE watching you continue to pretend Special Teams yardage is the same as Offensive Yardage..........lol
(as if a 25 Yard KR is the same as a 25 Yard Rush)

God............PLEASE keep posting...........you humiliate yourself more with every single post!!

lol @cgvr

You are one strange dude. First off, you stated that special teams yards equals other yards if:

“If you score the TD on Special Teams it's equally valuable”.

You are parsing and it's really fun to watch.

Tell me why a punt fielded at the 50 and returned to the 1 yard line is not as valuable as a guy rushing from the 50 to the 1 or a guy receiving a catch at the 50 and getting to the 1 yard line.

Popcorn time....

PS McCaffrey had a monster game against us and amassed 40% of his teams all purpose yards. He contributed greatly to the massive possession time dominance by Stanford and their win.

 

[TheDecker]

You are one strange dude. First off, you stated that special teams yards equals other yards if:

“If you score the TD on Special Teams it's equally valuable”.

You are parsing and it's really fun to watch.

Tell me why a punt fielded at the 50 and returned to the 1 yard line is not as valuable as a guy rushing from the 50 to the 1 or a guy receiving a catch at the 50 and getting to the 1 yard line.

Popcorn time....

PS McCaffrey had a monster game against us and amassed 40% of his teams all purpose yards. He contributed greatly to the massive possession time dominance by Stanford and their win.

Because it's much easier to have a 30 Yard KR from the 1-Yard-Line than it is to have a 30 Yard Rush from the 1-Yard-Line.
The difference of a replacement level player from each of those players described above.....it much greater for the RB

This is the OBVIOUS fact that you haven't been able to understand....and why trying to argue that McAffery was effective based on decent Special Teams play is SO UNBELIEVABLY MORONIC!!!

McAffery was ineffective against ND.........it's as simply as that

 

[TheDecker]

McCaffrey had a monster game against us

HOLY SH*T

THAT MORON @cgvr JUST TOPPED HIMSELF WITH THIS GEM!!!

An RB that didn't have:

1. 100 Yards Rushing
2. 3.5 Yards/Carry
3. A single TD

Had a monster game

My GOD he just never stops topping himself............it just gets dumber and dumber

Please keep this ish coming

This board needs a laughing-stock like you @cgvr

 

[TheDecker]

McCaffrey had a monster game against us

Wow.

This gem of a comment deserves 2x the attention

The stupidity that @cgvr is putting out here just can't be matched!!

 

[scotchirishblood]

I guess many were just hoping Mo1e would never be back or even dead, but like a fungus or a bad rash, it is hard to kill!

More embarrassing rhetoric from you. Wishing people dead. Don't know much about this Mole player but judging from your obsession with him I'm guessing he had your number and owned you. I think you have him confused with your soul mate and clone. This Big Fella idiot. It appears most here wish he would disappear. At least that seems to be the general consensus everytime he shows his ass.

 

[cgvr]

HOLY SH*T

THAT MORON @cgvr JUST TOPPED HIMSELF WITH THIS GEM!!!

An RB that didn't have:

1. 100 Yards Rushing
2. 3.5 Yards/Carry
3. A single TD

Had a monster game

My GOD he just never stops topping himself............it just gets dumber and dumber

Please keep this ish coming

This board needs a laughing-stock like you @cgvr

"It's obvious, efficiently and effectively altering the outcome of plays, above the level of what a replacement level player would (in the same position)."
Wow! So, your premise hinges on a replacement player's value. That is awesome.
Do you know the difference between a punt and a kick off?
Thanks for the continued chuckles. Yep, McCaffrey was so inefficient that he accounted for 40 percent of Stanford's production. What would an efficient game's percentage be?

 

[Bodizephax]

The Cos(Mr. Huxtebal) will be in jail in a few months. Doubt he can post his blabber from there.

I was wondering why he was so pissed off when we beat Temple..

 

[cgvr]

I was wondering why he was so pissed off when we beat Temple..

Listen up lech. "Turnovermachine always has awesome avatars. They make me drool." 10Bodizephax

Here's the guy that got pissed off at temple. It was quite a show.

 

[TheDecker]

"It's obvious, efficiently and effectively altering the outcome of plays, above the level of what a replacement level player would (in the same position)."
Wow! So, your premise hinges on a replacement player's value. That is awesome.
Do you know the difference between a punt and a kick off?
Thanks for the continued chuckles. Yep, McCaffrey was so inefficient that he accounted for 40 percent of Stanford's production. What would an efficient game's percentage be?

More than 3.5 yards per carry
Or
More than 100 yards rushing
Or
More than 5 yards per reception
Or
More than 25 yards receiving

Damn....he had one ineffective game

Thanks for punting that again!!

You et dumber by the post @cgvr

 

[echowaker]

He did not return a KO for a TD against ND. Again, I've never denied his impact on the game but this thread is about production. There are outliers when you look at his season stats, the dude flat out produced all year yet the ND game is one 2-3 games that was an outlier when compared to the rest of the season. Again, he had ample opportunity to make plays- 35 touches is a ton. His production against ND with plenty of opportunities doesn't jive with his production in the rest of the games.

Hypothetically, can you imagine if an ND running back who is arguably the best in the country, running behind one of the best O-Lines in the nation ran for 3.5 YPC in the biggest game of the year? Win or lose, this board would lose its mind on the ineffectiveness of BK and the running game. Highly doubtful we would be applauding his decoy abilities.

my bad on the KO return. doesn't change my point that statistics are often skewed. great players impact games all the time without touching the ball.

 

[echowaker]

I can't decide what's more incorrect.........your claim that McAffery scored a KR TD against ND............or all the other BS you're spewing

In reality, it's all equally made up and incorrect

Congrats on exposing yourself as being factually wrong and exposing and have an extremely poor understanding of games

yes, my bad on the KO return. i'm spot on about great players impacting games without having the ball though. you either are stubborn or just don't understand the nuances of the game. i'm betting on the latter.

 

[echowaker]

Obviously

But a couple trolls don't want to admit this and a couple morons can't see it
(and some people like @cgvr fall into both categories)

McAffery was ineffective against ND.........plain and simple

Hogan had the game of his life, and was the difference for Stanford

again, define "ineffective " ?

 

[echowaker]

More than 3.5 yards per carry
Or
More than 100 yards rushing
Or
More than 5 yards per reception
Or
More than 25 yards receiving

Damn....he had one ineffective game

Thanks for punting that again!!

You et dumber by the post @cgvr

wow ! you've obviously never broken down film. stats rarely if ever tell the WHOLE story. if you knew as much as you think you do you would know that. no credibility.

 

[echowaker]

More than 3.5 yards per carry
Or
More than 100 yards rushing
Or
More than 5 yards per reception
Or
More than 25 yards receiving

Damn....he had one ineffective game

Thanks for punting that again!!

You et dumber by the post @cgvr

More than 3.5 yards per carry
Or
More than 100 yards rushing
Or
More than 5 yards per reception
Or
More than 25 yards receiving

Damn....he had one ineffective game

Thanks for punting that again!!

You et dumber by the post @cgvr

if a running back has one 85 yard run and 19 additional carries totaling 25 yards would you call his 110 yards and 5.5 yards per carry "efficient" or"effective" ?

 

[captstabbin]

I can't believe you dolts are still arguing over this. And nobody has given an inch. Go bang hour heads against a wall for a while.....you will get better results.

 

[cgvr]

More than 3.5 yards per carry
Or
More than 100 yards rushing
Or
More than 5 yards per reception
Or
More than 25 yards receiving

Damn....he had one ineffective game

Thanks for punting that again!!

You et dumber by the post @cgvr

"It's obvious, efficiently and effectively altering the outcome of plays, above the level of what a replacement level player would (in the same position)."

Apparently, you have an inability to qualify or quantify your remark/stat. It's one your best efforts. I suggest you call your "efficiency" stat:
"Decker's Opinion Players Efficiency" AKA "DOPE"

McCaffrey had the most dominant all purpose yardage game of the season versus ND by 49 yards. He was monstrous. Here are our opponents best 2015 APY production by game.

Ohio State 179/661 Elliott (27%)
Stanford McCaffrey 228/559 (41%) next closest Cajuste at 125
BC Walker 110/420 (26%)
Wake Bell 103/395 (26%)
Pitt Boyd 126/398 (32%)
Temple Bryant 91/295 (31%)
Southern cal Jackson 193/590 (33%)
Navy Romine 136/340 (40%)
Clemson Scott 171/424 (40%)
Umass Isabella 115/450 (25%)
GaTech Skov 105/337 (31%)
Va Severin 153/416 (37%)
Texas Johnson 109/163 (67%)

 

[echowaker]

the only people who know for CERTAIN how effective or efficient mcaffery was against nd are david shaw and his staff. they graded the film of the game. statistics, good or bad are not the sole criteria for grading game film. far from it.

 

[cgvr]

the only people who know for CERTAIN how effective or efficient mcaffery was against nd are david shaw and his staff. they graded the film of the game. statistics, good or bad are not the sole criteria for grading game film. far from it.

Yep.

PS Cajuste had a career breakout performance. I'd bet a lot that our coach and coordinators know why.....

"Cajuste, a senior, played perhaps the finest game of his career. In addition to the 27-yard catch that set up the winning field goal, he had four other catches for 98 yards."

"He hasn't really had a breakout game all year,'' Shaw said. "And today was the day. The coverage dictated it.''

 

[TheDecker]

@cgvr still trying to argue that this guy had an effective game

RB Stats
94 Yards Rushing
3.5 Yards/Carry
0 TDs
19 Yards Receiving
5 Yards/Reception
0 TDs

All those touches, and minimal production................ND was McAffery's least effective game of the entire 2015 season

lol @cgvr

 

[TheDecker]

Remember when @cgvr tried to claim that an RB rushing for less than 100 yards at less than 3.5 YPC had a "Monster Game"

Good times, good times

Can't make up the stuff that this moron (@cgvr ) comes up with!!

 

[cgvr]

Remember when @cgvr tried to claim that an RB rushing for less than 100 yards at less than 3.5 YPC had a "Monster Game"

Good times, good times

Can't make up the stuff that this moron (@cgvr ) comes up with!!

Yep, he had 228 all purpose yards which was the best of the season versus ND by 49 yards. You may take issue with the adjective, but the results speak for themselves. He was a workhorse.

PS "It's obvious, efficiently and effectively altering the outcome of plays, above the level of what a replacement level player would (in the same position)." bwahahahahaha

 

[bizzybecknd]

1 punt return for 6 yds was his 5th best of the season? Sounds like a John Goodman.. The kickoff returns are a unbelievably mis-leading statistic. Did his 5 kick off returns and 1 punt return that accounted for 50% of his yardage have an impact on the game? No. He just should have stayed in the end zone and he would have gained 3 yards by getting the ball to the 25.. Poor choice Christian.

 

[Epictitus]

Cgvr is just stupid.

 

[cgvr]

1 punt return for 6 yds was his 5th best of the season? Sounds like a John Goodman.. The kickoff returns are a unbelievably mis-leading statistic. Did his 5 kick off returns and 1 punt return that accounted for 50% of his yardage have an impact on the game? No. He just should have stayed in the end zone and he would have gained 3 yards by getting the ball to the 25.. Poor choice Christian.

Every time he touches the ball he's a threat to score. He's the most prolific player in CFB. Everything he does impacts the game. His leadership skills are superior as is his sense of team. He's a monstrous talent.

35:59 to 24:01.....

 

[bizzybecknd]

We can now agree on something:
1) he's a monstrous talent
2) everything he does impacts the game
3) he's a threat to score every time he touches the ball

But in no way do these statements impact the discussion at hand. Wait... And Stanford won right? Add that.

 

[ForeverNole22]

Cgvr is just stupid.

And you are balls to the wall crazy. A true lunatic.

 

[scotchirishblood]

And you are balls to the wall crazy. A true lunatic.

But, but we learn so much from him. His contributions of ND and college FB in general are without parallel. He's the prototypical ND fan. What would this site be without his input? He's perfected the art of name calling. We have a legend (in his own mind) among us. He completes us. Be grateful. Without his crazy lunacy (as you point out) none of us would know what "normal" is.

 

[Epictitus]

Right, I'm crazy, FSU doesn't cheat and Winton was innocent! Too funny, next you'll try to say cgvr isn't an asshole!

 

[scotchirishblood]

Right, I'm crazy, FSU doesn't cheat and Winton was innocent! Too funny, next you'll try to say cgvr isn't an asshole!

Read more and post less. The board provides the narative about you , and you provide the proof to back them up. Nice job.

Calling you crazy is giving you the benefit of the doubt. For example, no one mentioned FSU or Winston in this thread except you. Who cares? Whether cgvr is an asshole or not is immaterial. He has your number and totally owns you.

 

[Epictitus]

cgvr owns me? Or anyone for that matter; that is funny.

No single person, with the possibility of the late Mo1e, has been more devoid of the truth or decency that cgvr. While ForeverMole and scottsirish are trying hard to get to a new low, they are imposters who just jump on the bandwagon in an attempt to deflect me and many others from truth telling.

I suppose the next thing we will hear is that Bowden is honest and Jumbo is a credit to the game.

 

[echowaker]

Right, I'm crazy, FSU doesn't cheat and Winton was innocent! Too funny, next you'll try to say cgvr isn't an asshole!

when was he proven guilty ?

cgvr owns me? Or anyone for that matter; that is funny.

No single person, with the possibility of the late Mo1e, has been more devoid of the truth or decency that cgvr. While ForeverMole and scottsirish are trying hard to get to a new low, they are imposters who just jump on the bandwagon in an attempt to deflect me and many others from truth telling.

I suppose the next thing we will hear is that Bowden is honest and Jumbo is a credit to the game.

and epictitus is sane !

 

[scotchirishblood]

cgvr owns me? Or anyone for that matter; that is funny.

No single person, with the possibility of the late Mo1e, has been more devoid of the truth or decency that cgvr. While ForeverMole and scottsirish are trying hard to get to a new low, they are imposters who just jump on the bandwagon in an attempt to deflect me and many others from truth telling.

I suppose the next thing we will hear is that Bowden is honest and Jumbo is a credit to the game.

You can disagree with cgvr 'till the cows come home. You have that right and obviously you are in good company doing so. I don't agree with all his opinions either. However, you have yet to refute one thing he has said or rebuttle any opinion he may have with any factual statements or intelligent answers. The closest you have come is "cgvr is stupid", "cgvr is a pos" or "cgvr is a hater". Brilliant responses. Spare us the intellect and try to add something besides name calling to the discussion.

Yes, he owns you. In a big way. That's truth telling.

What does Bowden and Jumbo (whoever that is) have to do with this thread? Post less and you will embarrass yourself less. You really are insane or maybe just weird. You definitely aren't normal. I find it hard to believe you ever attended ND.

 

[cgvr]

We can now agree on something:
1) he's a monstrous talent
2) everything he does impacts the game
3) he's a threat to score every time he touches the ball

But in no way do these statements impact the discussion at hand. Wait... And Stanford won right? Add that.

The discussion was about production. The poster that made a point about McCaffrey subsequently admitted his error. It was then that "efficiency and effectiveness" entered the thread.

This descriptor, by another poster, of these is among the funniest things ever written.
"It's obvious, efficiently and effectively altering the outcome of plays, above the level of what a replacement level player would (in the same position)." Where are the data points? Oh, they don't exist.

At the end of the day McCaffrey has raised the production bar to the highest level the sport has ever seen. His 276 YPG is crazy. In fact, it was 74 yards per game higher than his nearest competitor. (San Jose State's Tyler Ervin) It was 93 yards PER Game higher than the third place finisher Leonard Fournette. That's unbelievable.

Echo attempted to educate some on the nuance of what McCaffrey's mere presence on the field does. Interestingly, McCaffrey's 276 yards per game makes 228 seem pedestrian.... He's guilty of being too good....

 

[cgvr]

cgvr owns me? Or anyone for that matter; that is funny.

No single person, with the possibility of the late Mo1e, has been more devoid of the truth or decency that cgvr. While ForeverMole and scottsirish are trying hard to get to a new low, they are imposters who just jump on the bandwagon in an attempt to deflect me and many others from truth telling.

I suppose the next thing we will hear is that Bowden is honest and Jumbo is a credit to the game.

This is among your greatest board contributions ever.

Epictitus

"I have had the opportunity of spending a lot of time with Coach Holtz and some of the comments here are simply not accurate. I would agree that he would be a task master to work for demanding perfection and adherence to a strict schedule and demands he sets for all, including himself. Some may not like such disciplines and they would be best served working for someone else who does not strive for such excellence in everything Lou Holtz sets his goals upon.

On a personal side I have golfed with him and had multiple dinners and lunches with him and find him to be a wonderful human being. Fun, full of life and a ton of anecdotal stories about his love of life, his experiences, people he met and more. He never seems to have a bad word about anyone and is always trying to teach people to be better than even they believe they can be. He happens to be extremely self deprecating and has encouraged me in my many ventures and has gone out of his way to be kind to my children three of whom serve our country.

While I am not saying some many not have another opinion, my guess is they are dealing in third party stories from people who hate ND and Holtz; there are many, some right here!"

2/13 11:58 AM|IP: Logged

Here's rare footage of your children in the military.

 

[cgvr]

You can disagree with cgvr 'till the cows come home. You have that right and obviously you are in good company doing so. I don't agree with all his opinions either. However, you have yet to refute one thing he has said or rebuttle any opinion he may have with any factual statements or intelligent answers. The closest you have come is "cgvr is stupid", "cgvr is a pos" or "cgvr is a hater". Brilliant responses. Spare us the intellect and try to add something besides name calling to the discussion.

Yes, he owns you. In a big way. That's truth telling.

What does Bowden and Jumbo (whoever that is) have to do with this thread? Post less and you will embarrass yourself less. You really are insane or maybe just weird. You definitely aren't normal. I find it hard to believe you ever attended ND.

argie's paranoia kicks in;

"My family was hopnored at a Notre Dame halftime. I have no reason and obvious reasons for not saying more given
the stalking and lies that punctuate these threads and the threats already hurled my way."