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[cgvr]

And when you get undressed in a conversation, you switch topics...........typical

McAffery had an ineffective game where he was held under 100 yards and 25 yards passing with less than 4 YPC.......that's ineffective

Hogan had a FANTASTIC game against ND, where he barely missed a single throw (and that was the difference in the game)

I didn't switch topics at all and was hardly undressed. I thought you gave up as you didn't respond to:

"And his worst production of the entire season last year.......... Came against ND"

Production is all purpose yards. Included in all purpose yards are punt, kick returns, int returns, misc yds.....

Lastly, Northwestern had the # 13 total D last year. ND was # 45 and UCF was # 114.

McCaffrey was still playing in the 4th quarter versus UCF.

I'd posit that with those rankings as a background his worst game was against UCF.

NW 66 yds rushing, 23 receiving, 90 KO return, -8 PR 171 yds (Stanford lost)
UCF 58 rushing yds, 59 receiving, 17 KO return, 32 PR 166 yards
ND 94 Rushing, 19 receiving, 109 Kick off return, 6 PR 228 yards

PS He also had 136 all purpose yards versus Washington State & 197 versus Colorado. So, maybe Washington State was his worst game, but I don't know how much he played....

 

[TheDecker]

I didn't switch topics at all and was hardly undressed. I thought you gave up as you didn't respond to:

"And his worst production of the entire season last year.......... Came against ND"

Production is all purpose yards. Included in all purpose yards are punt, kick returns, int returns, misc yds.....

Lastly, Northwestern had the # 13 total D last year. ND was # 45 and UCF was # 114.

McCaffrey was still playing in the 4th quarter versus UCF.

I'd posit that with those rankings as a background his worst game was against UCF.

NW 66 yds rushing, 23 receiving, 90 KO return, -8 PR 171 yds (Stanford lost)
UCF 58 rushing yds, 59 receiving, 17 KO return, 32 PR 166 yards
ND 94 Rushing, 19 receiving, 109 Kick off return, 6 PR 228 yards

PS He also had 136 all purpose yards versus Washington State & 197 versus Colorado. So, maybe Washington State was his worst game, but I don't know how much he played....

You can keep reposting the same thing over and over agian.........but it's not getting any more correct and it's not helping you save any face here

It's worse than just an undressing.....you're getting out and out exposed as a moron and humiliated ....and what's worse is you can't even see it

I HAVE TOLD YOU AGAIN AND AGAIN, MCAFFERY WAS INEFFECTIVE AS AN RB AGAINST ND
(Special Teams stats have nothing to do with being an RB)

McAffery's RB stats for the game:
94 Rushing Yards
3.5 Yards/Carry
0 Rushing TD
3 Receptions
6.3 Yards/Reception
0 Receiving TDs

Those stats speak an RB having a game with middling prodcution and down-right poor efficency with a total lack of scoring

So yes, McAffery was ineffective as an RB against
(he was good on Special Teams)


Try to learn something this time

 

[cgvr]

You can keep reposting the same thing over and over agian.........but it's not getting any more correct and it's not helping you save any face here

It's worse than just an undressing.....you're getting out and out exposed as a moron and humiliated ....and what's worse is you can't even see it

I HAVE TOLD YOU AGAIN AND AGAIN, MCAFFERY WAS INEFFECTIVE AS AN RB AGAINST ND
(Special Teams stats have nothing to do with being an RB)

McAffery's RB stats for the game:
94 Rushing Yards
3.5 Yards/Carry
0 Rushing TD
3 Receptions
6.3 Yards/Reception
0 Receiving TDs

Those stats speak an RB having a game with middling prodcution and down-right poor efficency with a total lack of scoring

So yes, McAffery was ineffective as an RB against
(he was good on Special Teams)


Try to learn something this time

Where did I say McCaffrey was effective as a RB against ND? I pointed out his numbers and even educated you on the fact that ND snapped his 100 yard rushing per game streak. Typical you, make something up, argue against it, declare yourself a winner.... Thanks for the ongoing chuckles...

The fact is that the OP referenced "production". He did not reference "offensive production" which you have now narrowed down to RB production. Even there UCF outperformed our D. Plus, UCF and Northwestern both held him to less rushing yards.

Let me demonstrate how folks measure "production". McCaffrey broke Barry Sanders record for all purpose yards.

"Christian McCaffrey racks up 461 total yards, breaks Barry Sanders' mark" "McCaffrey dazzled in Saturday's conference title win with 461 all-purpose yards -- 207 rushing, 105 receiving, 120 kick return and 29 punt return -- and three touchdowns."

That's "production" whether you like it or not.

In fact here is how the NCAA measures a players yard production.
Feel free to page down on this link and have fun with it...
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/individual/20

Also, in 2015 McCaffrey had his 2nd lowest average rushing yards per carry versus ND.

For the 2015 season:
He had his 5th worst receiving average versus ND.
He had his 4th best kick return game versus ND.
He had his 5th best punt return game versus ND.
He had 4 games where he had less all purpose yards than against ND.

"And his worst production of the entire season last year.......... Came against ND"

By any count, the remark is not accurate.

If one would like to say that Christian McCaffrey had his 2nd lowest average rushing yards per carry versus ND last year that would be accurate. That hardly equates to "his worst production of the entire season last year.......... Came against ND"

Keep tilting at windmills. It's grand theater.

 

[coolirish9]

that list doesn't mean much as anybody can win the trophy with the way rbs seem to miss multiple games these days due to injuries. I agree that the candidates on that list probably should be the favorites but again there seems to be so many top rbs that miss multiple games these days due to injuries that almost anybody with a huge year on a good team could win

 

[Epictitus]

Poor cgvr getting schooled again.

 

[bizzybecknd]

Decker has just owned and dominated this thread.

 

[Duo]

I have no dog in this fight just a few thoughts.

OK, so he was held to under 100 yards, but 94 really isn't too bad especially considering his starting FB was out of the game. And he ran one back 109 for 6! So, I have to believe the pressure was on him big time. In that situation if I'm the coach McCaffrey would make a great decoy. However it was handled Stanford did it correctly and managed to win the game. And when it was all said and done my guess is Coach David Shaw gave McCaffrey a pat on the back and said well done. Only a guess.

If he had.......umm, say 24 yards rushing then I would call that ineffective. And FWIW, I consider making comparisons to other players in this game as irrelevant. McCaffrey did what he did, scored 6......game won, end of story. Just my opinion.

 

[cgvr]

I have no dog in this fight just a few thoughts.

OK, so he was held to under 100 yards, but 94 really isn't too bad especially considering his starting FB was out of the game. And he ran one back 109 for 6! So, I have to believe the pressure was on him big time. In that situation if I'm the coach McCaffrey would make a great decoy. However it was handled Stanford did it correctly and managed to win the game. And when it was all said and done my guess is Coach David Shaw gave McCaffrey a pat on the back and said well done. Only a guess.

If he had.......umm, say 24 yards rushing then I would call that ineffective. And FWIW, I consider making comparisons to other players in this game as irrelevant. McCaffrey did what he did, scored 6......game won, end of story. Just my opinion.

McCaffrey produced 228 all purpose yards versus ND which was his 5th lowest game for the 2015 season.

That renders the following declarative statement false.

"And his worst production of the entire season last year.......... Came against ND"

PS He did not score a TD versus ND.

 

[Duo]

OK, my bad. Thought he scored one on a kick off return.

"ND 94 Rushing, 19 receiving, 109 Kick off return, 6 PR 228 yards"

Still not too shabby though.

 

[bizzybecknd]

Kobe also scored 60 in his last game, but they were icing his elbow. 3.5 YPC is way more telling? He'll of a job as a decoy, must have been the Irish D loading the box up with 79 seconds left ha.. Yes undressed was a proper term Decker used

 

[cgvr]

Kobe also scored 60 in his last game, but they were icing his elbow. 3.5 YPC is way more telling? He'll of a job as a decoy, must have been the Irish D loading the box up with 79 seconds left ha.. Yes undressed was a proper term Decker used

228 yards of production and the honor of centering the ball for the game winning FG with his last 2.
kelly once again was owned by Shaw in the most demoralizing way.

The fact that a poster stated McCaffrey had:
"his worst production of the entire season last year.......... came against ND"
is flat out poppycock....

 

[cgvr]

OK, my bad. Thought he scored one on a kick off return.

"ND 94 Rushing, 19 receiving, 109 Kick off return, 6 PR 228 yards"

Still not too shabby though.

No worries. The guy is a phenom. decker and many others in our fan base have been crying about our injuries and the like since the dawn of time. Never has our fan base made more crybaby excuses. It's embarrassing.

PS We played Stanford on 11/28 on 11/24 Stanford announced:

STANFORD -- Stanford fullback Daniel Marx will miss the rest of the season with a lower leg injury, head coach David Shaw announced Tuesday, a loss that will challenge the Cardinal's powerful run game and Christian McCaffrey's Heisman Trophy bid.

"It's tough," Shaw said. "Daniel has had a phenomenal year. This is a guy who is going to play on Sundays. He's that good -- a very versatile football player."

Stanford is one of the few remaining teams nationally that regularly uses a fullback, and Marx has often bulldozed with his 6-foot-2, 254-pound frame to pave the way for McCaffrey, who leads the Pac-12 with 1,546 rushing yards."

You didn't hear Stanford make a peep about his loss. They manned up.

 

[TheDecker]

I have no dog in this fight just a few thoughts.

OK, so he was held to under 100 yards, but 94 really isn't too bad especially considering his starting FB was out of the game. And he ran one back 109 for 6! So, I have to believe the pressure was on him big time. In that situation if I'm the coach McCaffrey would make a great decoy. However it was handled Stanford did it correctly and managed to win the game. And when it was all said and done my guess is Coach David Shaw gave McCaffrey a pat on the back and said well done. Only a guess.

If he had.......umm, say 24 yards rushing then I would call that ineffective. And FWIW, I consider making comparisons to other players in this game as irrelevant. McCaffrey did what he did, scored 6......game won, end of story. Just my opinion.

McAffery was ineffective as an RB in this game............simple as that
He was a good Special Teams player against ND in 2015, but really not much more

Hogan, his QB, had a fantastic game and that was really the difference in the ball game

You and @cgvr came into this thread with an argumnet.............got COMPLETELY DESTROYED and now are trying to switch to "He helped htem win behind hte scenes"

It's time to just admit that:
You were wrong
You didn't know what you were talking about
You ran your mouth anyways
In the future you'll post less, read more, and learn your place

That's about all that's left to be said for you two morons at this point

 

[cgvr]

McAffery was ineffective as an RB in this game............simple as that
He was a good Special Teams player against ND in 2015, but really not much more

Hogan, his QB, had a fantastic game and that was really the difference in the ball game

You and @cgvr came into this thread with an argumnet.............got COMPLETELY DESTROYED and now are trying to switch to "He helped htem win behind hte scenes"

It's time to just admit that:
You were wrong
You didn't know what you were talking about
You ran your mouth anyways
In the future you'll post less, read more, and learn your place

That's about all that's left to be said for you two morons at this point

No, you came into the thread and obviously don't understand the meaning of "production".

Let's hear you define "production" and why a players full body of work for a game doesn't fall under it. That'll be fun.

Irishblooded made an erroneous claim. He was corrected. Then you came in setting up strawmen....

 

[TheDecker]

McCaffrey produced 228 all purpose yards versus ND which was his 5th lowest game for the 2015 season.

That renders the following declarative statement false.

"And his worst production of the entire season last year.......... Came against ND"

PS He did not score a TD versus ND.

No it doesn't, not at all

Your childish assertion that all yardage is of exactly equal value and that efficiency doesn't play in either..............well it shows what a total moron you are

Keep outing yourself though, this ish is HYSTERICAL

lol @cgvr

 

[TheDecker]

OK, my bad. Thought he scored one on a kick off return.

"ND 94 Rushing, 19 receiving, 109 Kick off return, 6 PR 228 yards"

Still not too shabby though.

When you consider he was below 3.5 Yards/Carry and 5 Yards/Reception...........yeah, it's pretty poor

Like I've told you a few times, McAffery wasn't effective as an RB against ND
(he was solid on Special Teams though)

 

[TheDecker]

No, you came into the thread and obviously don't understand the meaning of "production".

Let's hear you define "production" and why a players full body of work for a game doesn't fall under it. That'll be fun.

Irishblooded made an erroneous claim. He was corrected. Then you came in setting up strawmen....

LOL

You still think all forms of yardage are exactly equal in "Production" and the number of touches that it takes to produce that yardage isn't a primary factor in evaluating it

The only "correcting" you've done in this thread is ensuring that everyone CORRECTLY sees what a total moron you are and CORRECTLY notes your complete lack of any football knowledge

lol @cgvr .....

 

[echowaker]

228 yards of production and the honor of centering the ball for the game winning FG with his last 2.
kelly once again was owned by Shaw in the most demoralizing way.

The fact that a poster stated McCaffrey had:
"his worst production of the entire season last year.......... came against ND"
is flat out poppycock....

owned by shaw ? can't agree with that. i will say using strictly statistics to try to analyze mccafferys impact on any game is silly. he's such a weapon that he's extremely effective even when not getting the ball. teams HAVE to game plan for him. he gets more attention than his teammates. statistics are so misleading a lot of the time.

 

[echowaker]

McAffery was ineffective as an RB in this game............simple as that
He was a good Special Teams player against ND in 2015, but really not much more

Hogan, his QB, had a fantastic game and that was really the difference in the ball game

You and @cgvr came into this thread with an argumnet.............got COMPLETELY DESTROYED and now are trying to switch to "He helped htem win behind hte scenes"

It's time to just admit that:
You were wrong
You didn't know what you were talking about
You ran your mouth anyways
In the future you'll post less, read more, and learn your place

That's about all that's left to be said for you two morons at this point

ineffective ? just the threat of him made his qb that much better. stats rarely tell the whole story.

 

[cgvr]

owned by shaw ? can't agree with that. i will say using strictly statistics to try to analyze mccafferys impact on any game is silly. he's such a weapon that he's extremely effective even when not getting the ball. teams HAVE to game plan for him. he gets more attention than his teammates. statistics are so misleading a lot of the time.

Thank you. That's exactly why I wrote:

"ND did a solid job against McCaffrey and held him 48 yards below his 276 YPG average."

"Stanford went 5 for 5 in the Red Zone scoring TDs each time. I'm quite certain McCaffrey was drawing tons of attention."

Obviously, I am in full agreement with your remarks.

I responded to a poster who wrote about McCaffrey :

"And his worst production of the entire season last year.......... Came against ND"

That's categorically false by any stretch.

PS Sure, the game was a nail biter, but in the closing moments/crunch time Shaw "owned" kelly and bvg.... Maybe there's a different word....

 

[cgvr]

LOL

You still think all forms of yardage are exactly equal in "Production" and the number of touches that it takes to produce that yardage isn't a primary factor in evaluating it

The only "correcting" you've done in this thread is ensuring that everyone CORRECTLY sees what a total moron you are and CORRECTLY notes your complete lack of any football knowledge

lol @cgvr .....

Where did I imply/state anything that you've written?

You apparently have no idea what production is.... Keep making stuff up though.

PS The only morons directly involved in the Stanford game were your heroes kelly and bvg.

 

[cgvr]

LOL

You still think all forms of yardage are exactly equal in "Production" and the number of touches that it takes to produce that yardage isn't a primary factor in evaluating it

The only "correcting" you've done in this thread is ensuring that everyone CORRECTLY sees what a total moron you are and CORRECTLY notes your complete lack of any football knowledge

lol @cgvr .....

Here's where you went off the rails.

"Kickoff and punt returns aren't offensive output and they're not performed against a defensive unit."

There isn't one post in this thread that says otherwise ergo weak straw man.....

Again, you came into the thread and obviously don't understand the meaning of "production". You wouldn't be a very good agent/player rep.

Let's hear you define "production" and why a players full body of work for a game doesn't fall under it.

That'll be fun. Thanks for the ongoing chuckles.

 

[TheDecker]

Here's where you went off the rails.

"Kickoff and punt returns aren't offensive output and they're not performed against a defensive unit."

There isn't one post in this thread that says otherwise ergo weak straw man.....

Again, you came into the thread and obviously don't understand the meaning of "production". You wouldn't be a very good agent/player rep.

Let's hear you define "production" and why a players full body of work for a game doesn't fall under it.

That'll be fun. Thanks for the ongoing chuckles.

LOL @cgvr

Time to give it up little buddy, you've been thoroughly undressed ITT (as usual)

McAffery wasn't effective the ND game, had poor efficiency and mediocre production (at best)...........mediocre production because his Special Teams yards aren't NEARLY as valuable as actual offensive yardage from schrimmage

Sorry that basic facts are so hard for you

It must be rough living life as a moron

 

[TheDecker]

Where did I imply/state anything that you've written?

You apparently have no idea what production is.... Keep making stuff up though.

PS The only morons directly involved in the Stanford game were your heroes kelly and bvg.

You're comparing offensive and Special Teams production numbers 1-to-1..............in case you're too much or a moron to notice what you're doing, over and over and over

And thus, I decided to humiliate you (again) and expose the complete fallacy of everything you were trying to say




But I appreciate you really dragging out your own humiliation @cgvr !!

 

[cgvr]

You're comparing offensive and Special Teams production numbers 1-to-1..............in case you're too much or a moron to notice what you're doing, over and over and over

And thus, I decided to humiliate you (again) and expose the complete fallacy of everything you were trying to say

But I appreciate you really dragging out your own humiliation @cgvr !!

Wrong again. I provided McCaffrey's totals throughout the year that proved this following claim to be wrong, "And his worst production of the entire season last year.......... Came against ND". In fact the OP admitted his error with, "I was wrong there."

It's amusing how you choose to avoid this question, "Let's hear you define "production" and why a players full body of work for a game doesn't fall under it?" Hahaha

"Special Teams yards aren't NEARLY as valuable as actual offensive yardage from schrimmage"

Please tell me how invaluable CJ Sanders Special teams 93 yard kick off return TD was vs. Stanford... That should be fun.

Did you ever consider what special teams do for field position/other? Yep, put that in your invaluable pipe.

You will forever be the guy that didn't even know the title of his alleged ND diploma. That was great.

Keep setting up the straw men and tilting at windmills. This is truly grand theater.

 

[bizzybecknd]

The kid is impressive, no doubt but is production against ND was mediocre. He had 5 kickoff returns for an average of 21.8/return (that average return over the span of a season would have slotted him @ 65th/114th in the nation). He had 1 punt return for 6 yards.

He had his lowest offensive production of the season besides the opening loss @ NW and averaged 3.5 YPC not to mention 0 TDs and ND checked him for his shortest run in any single game last season (long of 11). Basically, If ND Offense hadn't score 5 times and kicked off he would have accounted for 113 yards.

 

[cgvr]

The kid is impressive, no doubt but is production against ND was mediocre. He had 5 kickoff returns for an average of 21.8/return (that average return over the span of a season would have slotted him @ 65th/114th in the nation). He had 1 punt return for 6 yards.

He had his lowest offensive production of the season besides the opening loss @ NW and averaged 3.5 YPC not to mention 0 TDs and ND checked him for his shortest run in any single game last season (long of 11). Basically, If ND Offense hadn't score 5 times and kicked off he would have accounted for 113 yards.

Those are all valid points. However, the initial claim by Irishblooded concerned "production". That word encompasses a broader scope than just what was done on offense. As pointed out, there were 4 other games where he netted less yards than against ND. As noted we did a nice job of keeping him below his season average. We were helped by having their FB hammer Marx miss his first game of the year. That's another story.

For the 2015 season McCaffrey had 1,227 more yards than his next nearest competitor. Crazy...

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/individual/20

The OP wrote:
"And his worst production of the entire season last year.......... Came against ND"

Here are McCaffrey's lowest totals for the season.

Washington State 136 yds
UCF 166 yds
NW 171 yds (Stanford lost)
Colorado 197 yds
ND 228 yds

ND was obviously not his low point..... Plus, he looked pretty darn happy after the W....

 

[TheDecker]

Those are all valid points. However, the initial claim by Irishblooded concerned "production". That word encompasses a broader scope than just what was done on offense. As pointed out, there were 4 other games where he netted less yards than against ND. As noted we did a nice job of keeping him below his season average. We were helped by having their FB hammer Marx miss his first game of the year. That's another story.

For the 2015 season McCaffrey had 1,227 more yards than his next nearest competitor. Crazy...

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/individual/20

The OP wrote:
"And his worst production of the entire season last year.......... Came against ND"

Here are McCaffrey's lowest totals for the season.

Washington State 136 yds
UCF 166 yds
NW 171 yds (Stanford lost)
Colorado 197 yds
ND 228 yds

ND was obviously not his low point..... Plus, he looked pretty darn happy after the W....

More moronic blabbing equating Special Teams and Offense

You really are the dumbest person on the board.....aren't you??
(and that's impressive, because the standard on Free Boards is LOWWWW)

 

[TheDecker]

The kid is impressive, no doubt but is production against ND was mediocre. He had 5 kickoff returns for an average of 21.8/return (that average return over the span of a season would have slotted him @ 65th/114th in the nation). He had 1 punt return for 6 yards.

He had his lowest offensive production of the season besides the opening loss @ NW and averaged 3.5 YPC not to mention 0 TDs and ND checked him for his shortest run in any single game last season (long of 11). Basically, If ND Offense hadn't score 5 times and kicked off he would have accounted for 113 yards.

Correct

 

[TheDecker]

Wrong again. I provided McCaffrey's totals throughout the year that proved this following claim to be wrong, "And his worst production of the entire season last year.......... Came against ND". In fact the OP admitted his error with, "I was wrong there."

It's amusing how you choose to avoid this question, "Let's hear you define "production" and why a players full body of work for a game doesn't fall under it?" Hahaha

"Special Teams yards aren't NEARLY as valuable as actual offensive yardage from schrimmage"

Please tell me how invaluable CJ Sanders Special teams 93 yard kick off return TD was vs. Stanford... That should be fun.

Did you ever consider what special teams do for field position/other? Yep, put that in your invaluable pipe.

You will forever be the guy that didn't even know the title of his alleged ND diploma. That was great.

Keep setting up the straw men and tilting at windmills. This is truly grand theater.

The whole body of work does fall under "Production"....it's just not all equal

And Special Teams doesn't fall under "Offensive Production" nor "game as an RB".........both of which I pointed out.........ND held McAffery to his LEAST EFFECTIVE game of the enitre season

sorry @cgvr but you're just exposing yourself, over and over again

 

[TheDecker]

You will forever be the guy that didn't even know the title of his alleged ND diploma. That was great.

Please, please start trying to debate where I went to school.................seriously, PLEASE!!

I promise you, that will make you look even better than me ANNIHILATING YOU in this thread has already

Step up, little buddy!

 

[cgvr]

The whole body of work does fall under "Production"....it's just not all equal

And Special Teams doesn't fall under "Offensive Production" nor "game as an RB".........both of which I pointed out.........ND held McAffery to his LEAST EFFECTIVE game of the enitre season

sorry @cgvr but you're just exposing yourself, over and over again

You do realize that you are completely unhinged now, no? Read the following slowly.

Decker: "The whole body of work does fall under "Production"....it's just not all equal"

Me: Unfortunately for you, Irish blooded posited that:

Irishblooded "And his worst production of the entire season last year.......... Came against ND"

Me: "No where did he reference "offensive production". Therefore, return numbers are part of production."

Decker "No, no there not"

Read your remarks above. Do you notice that you are contradicting yourself? I'm quite certain you are bouncing off walls somewhere.

It's obvious that you don't know which end is up.

Spelling aside, you just aren't that bright. You enjoy making things up and arguing against it.

"And Special Teams doesn't fall under "Offensive Production" nor "game as an RB"

hahahaha Who said it did? Keep setting up the straw men... No one wrote that. It also needs an interpreter.

"ND held McAffery to his LEAST EFFECTIVE game of the enitre season"

No we didn't. He had 228 yards which was his 5th lowest production for the season. Also, Stanford was 5 for 5 in the Red Zone despite McCaffrey producing 48 yards below his 276 per game. So, Stanford was perfect in the RZ. I'm guessing McCaffrey was helping that stat.

I am in total agreeance with echowaker and stated a similar sentiment to his: "he's such a weapon that he's extremely effective even when not getting the ball. teams HAVE to game plan for him. he gets more attention than his teammates."

Would you care to refute that?

Your thought process has always been unhinged. Would you care to reflect on this gem?

"Special Teams yards aren't NEARLY as valuable as actual offensive yardage from schrimmage"

Please tell me how invaluable CJ Sanders Special teams 93 yard kick off return TD was vs. Stanford... That should be fun.

PS Irishblooded admitted his oversight with class. You're just dull.

 

[TheDecker]

Holy crap, that whole diatribe and you still can't even start to disputes that McAffery had his least effective game of the emigre war against ND

You really are one massive moron @cgvr

Try to learn from your mistakes (I've called you out on your BS 10x already)

Maybe if you weren't such a moron you'd understand that Special Teams yardage isn't equal to offensive yardage and that the yards/rush and yards/reflection are just as important (if not more important) than raw production

You're getting to the point that your moronic comments are starting to boil over

And it's effing hysterical to watch you flail around like this

Lol @cgvr

 

[TheDecker]

@cgvr thinks if he drills on long enough he can make the facts go away

McAffery v. ND 2015
- Fewer than 3.5 Yards per Rush
- Less than 100 Yards Rushing
- Zero Rushing TDs
- Less than 5 Yards Per Reception
- Zero Receiving TDs

ND was McAffery's least effective game all season

(Sorry @cgvr but Special Teams aren't enough to out way bad offense)

 

[cgvr]

Holy crap, that whole diatribe and you still can't even start to disputes that McAffery had his least effective game of the emigre war against ND

You really are one massive moron @cgvr

Try to learn from your mistakes (I've called you out on your BS 10x already)

Maybe if you weren't such a moron you'd understand that Special Teams yardage isn't equal to offensive yardage and that the yards/rush and yards/reflection are just as important (if not more important) than raw production

You're getting to the point that your moronic comments are starting to boil over

And it's effing hysterical to watch you flail around like this

Lol @cgvr

Okay, totally ignore the fact that you contradicted yourself. That's good. It's called denial.

Here's a question which will be fun for you to answer.

During the game Stanford totally dominated the clock, and McCaffrey accounted for 27 carries and 94 yards. Their other 2 running backs had 3 and 4 carries. Hogan had 8 carries. Those other players amassed 33, 18 and 9 yards on the ground.

Stanford held the ball for 35:59 versus 24:01 for us. Would you like to read that again? Now tell me, how ineffective was McCaffrey?

Lastly, you have written,
"Special Teams yards aren't NEARLY as valuable as actual offensive yardage from schrimmage"
"Maybe if you weren't such a moron you'd understand that Special Teams yardage isn't equal to offensive yardage"

Please explain why CJ Sanders electric 93 yard TD return was less valuable than, Josh Adams 62 yard TD run and Will Fuller's 73 yard TD pass reception.

I'll go get some popcorn, because this should be good.

 

[TheDecker]

Okay, totally ignore the fact that you contradicted yourself. That's good. It's called denial.

Here's a question which will be fun for you to answer.

During the game Stanford totally dominated the clock, and McCaffrey accounted for 27 carries and 94 yards. Their other 2 running backs had 3 and 4 carries. Hogan had 8 carries. Those other players amassed 33, 18 and 9 yards on the ground.

Stanford held the ball for 35:59 versus 24:01 for us. Would you like to read that again? Now tell me, how ineffective was McCaffrey?

Lastly, you have written,
"Special Teams yards aren't NEARLY as valuable as actual offensive yardage from schrimmage"
"Maybe if you weren't such a moron you'd understand that Special Teams yardage isn't equal to offensive yardage"

Please explain why CJ Sanders electric 93 yard TD return was less valuable than, Josh Adams 62 yard TD run and Will Fuller's 73 yard TD pass reception.

I'll go get some popcorn, because this should be good.

Wait............now you think running the ball several times and getting little to no production from it is a good thing

My God @cgvr you get more moronic with every single post.................it's actually impressive

And wait......now your comparing socring plays to non-scoring plays

Holy sh*t you topped yourself in your own post


You have truly secured your position as the stupidest and most frequently abused poster on the board.............................lol

Thanks for drawing out your abuse like this..............it's been a great time bending you over like this and raising your voice a few octives

 

[cgvr]

Wait............now you think running the ball several times and getting little to no production from it is a good thing

My God @cgvr you get more moronic with every single post.................it's actually impressive

And wait......now your comparing socring plays to non-scoring plays

Holy sh*t you topped yourself in your own post


You have truly secured your position as the stupidest and most frequently abused poster on the board.............................lol

Thanks for drawing out your abuse like this..............it's been a great time bending you over like this and raising your voice a few octives

You wrote: "Wait............now you think running the ball several times and getting little to no production from it is a good thing". This is almost as funny as your contradicting yourself. What an unintelligent gaffe that was....

Well, when you keep the other team off the field you lower their chances of scoring. Stanford dominated/controlled the clock. McCaffrey had 27 carries. The next closest RB on his team had 4. The most carries by an ND player was 18. McCaffrey was a workhorse.

"And wait......now your comparing socring plays to non-scoring plays"

Apparently, you didn't watch the game.

2nd and 10 at STAN 35
(9:18 - 1st) C.J. Sanders 93 Yd Kickoff Return (Justin Yoon Kick)

1st and 10 at ND 27
(2:15 - 2nd) Will Fuller 73 Yd pass from DeShone Kizer (Justin Yoon Kick)

1st and 10 at ND 38
(5:24 - 3rd) Josh Adams 62 Yd Run (Two-Point Pass Conversion Failed)

Let me repeat myself, you have written,

"Special Teams yards aren't NEARLY as valuable as actual offensive yardage from schrimmage"
"Maybe if you weren't such a moron you'd understand that Special Teams yardage isn't equal to offensive yardage"

Please explain why CJ Sanders electric 93 yard TD return was less valuable than, Josh Adams 62 yard TD run and Will Fuller's 73 yard TD pass reception.

I'll go get some popcorn, because this should be good.

PS No one was within 32 yards of McCaffrey's all purpose production for the game. Wow, we really contained him!

Feel free to page down on this summary:

http://www.und.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2015-2016/stanford.html

 

[bizzybecknd]

Mccafrey's special teams plays weren't valuable.. Depending on where he received those kick offs, he may have actually hurt Stanford with field position only averaging under 22, starting position is 25 yard line.. Which stat line is better:

18 carries, 168 yards, 1 TD, 9.3 YPC

27 carries, 94 yards, 0 TD, 3.5 YPC
5 kickoff returns, 108 yards, 1 punt return 6 yards.

It's clear, option 1 had the better day

 

[cgvr]

Mccafrey's special teams plays weren't valuable.. Depending on where he received those kick offs, he may have actually hurt Stanford with field position only averaging under 22, starting position is 25 yard line.. Which stat line is better:

18 carries, 168 yards, 1 TD, 9.3 YPC

27 carries, 94 yards, 0 TD, 3.5 YPC
5 kickoff returns, 108 yards, 1 punt return 6 yards.

It's clear, option 1 had the better day

I am sure McCaffrey had a happier post game......

 

[bizzybecknd]

That's a given.. But completely irrelevant to the discussion.