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2. Clemson Tigers
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2015 record: 14-1, 8-0 ACC

Returning starters: 8 offense, 3 defense, 2 special teams

Key losses: DE Shaq Lawson, DE Kevin Dodd, LB Travis Blanks, LB B.J. Goodson, CB Mackensie Alexander, S T.J. Green, S Jayron Kearse, G Eric Mac Lain, WR Charone Peake

Post-spring outlook: With junior quarterback Deshaun Watson coming back for what probably will be his final college season, the Tigers might be poised to be even more explosive on offense than they were last season. If Clemson is going to reach the CFP National Championship Game for the second season in a row, however, it's going to have to rebuild its defense. The Tigers should be pretty solid up front, but their secondary remains a concern heading into the summer. Three starting defensive backs left early for the NFL draft, and then cornerbacks Kaleb Chalmers (dismissed from the team) and Adrian Baker (torn knee ligaments) were lost during the spring.

4. Florida State Seminoles
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2015 record: 10-3, 6-2 ACC

Returning starters: 11 offense, 6 defense, 1 special teams

Key losses: CB Jalen Ramsey, DT Nile Lawrence-Stample, LB Reggie Northrup, LB Terrance Smith, FS Lamarcus Brutus, QB Everett Golson, K Roberto Aguayo

Post-spring outlook: With incumbent quarterback Sean Maguire sitting out the spring while he recovers from a broken ankle, redshirt freshmanDeondre Francois gave FSU coach Jimbo Fisher plenty to think about heading into the summer. Francois completed 20 of 33 passes for 246 yards with two touchdowns and two picks in the spring game. Maguire started seven games during the past two seasons, but he'll have to hold off Francois in preseason camp to keep the job. Star tailback Dalvin Cook had surgery to clean up his right shoulder, but is expected to be ready for the start of camp in August.

9. Notre Dame Fighting Irish
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2015 record: 10-3

Returning starters: 5 offense, 5 defense, 2 special teams

Key losses: OT Ronnie Stanley, C Nick Martin, WR Will Fuller, RB C.J. Prosise, WR Amir Carlisle, DL Sheldon Day, LB Joe Schmidt, LB Jaylon Smith, CB KeiVarae Russell

Post-spring outlook: There's no question Notre Dame's overall talent has increased dramatically under coach Brian Kelly. Since 2012, six Fighting Irish players have been selected in the first round of the NFL draft, after having only four first-rounders from 1995 to 2011. In fact, Notre Dame has had 15 players picked in the first three rounds of the draft during the past five seasons. Only Alabama (22), Ohio State (19), LSU (18) and Florida State (17) had more. Whomever Kelly chooses to start at quarterback -- DeShone Kizer seems to have a slight lead over Malik Zaire -- will have plenty of help around him.

19. North Carolina Tar Heels
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2015 record: 11-3, 8-0 ACC

Returning starters: 7 offense, 7 defense, 2 special teams

Key losses: QB Marquise Williams, WR Quinshad Davis, G Landon Turner, LB Shakeel Rashad, S Sam Smiley, DT Justin Thomason

Post-spring outlook: To almost no one's surprise, rising junior Mitch Trubisky was named UNC's starting quarterback at the conclusion of spring practices. Trubisky, who completed 85.1 percent of his passes for 555 yards with six touchdowns and no interceptions as a backup last season, might make the Tar Heels even more explosive on offense. He's surrounded by plenty of playmakers, such as running back Elijah Hood and receivers Ryan Switzer and Mack Hollins. The Tar Heels have to continue to improve on defense, though, if they're going to challenge Clemson and FSU in the ACC. The defense forced four turnovers in the spring game, which is a good sign heading into coordinator Gene Chizik's second season.

24. Miami Hurricanes

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2015 record: 8-5, 5-3 ACC

Returning starters: 9 offense, 7 defense, special teams

Key losses: WR Rashawn Scott, WR Herb Waters, DE Ufomba Kamalu, NT Calvin Heurtelou, LB Tyriq McCord, LB Raphael Kirby, CB Tracy Howard, S Dallas Crawford, S Deon Bush, CB Artie Burns

Post-spring outlook: The Hurricanes will have to stay healthy and get a few breaks to make a lot of noise in Mark Richt's first season coaching his alma mater. But with Brad Kaaya leading the offense and a formidable front leading the defense, there's reason for optimism. Miami will have to solidify its offensive line and get some help from incoming freshmen and juco receivers. There are also concerns about depth on defense, especially at linebacker and in the secondary, where all four starters must be replaced. Early enrollees Shaq Quarterman and Michael Pinckney are expected to start at linebacker in coordinator Manny Diaz's aggressive scheme.

25. Louisville Cardinals
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2015 record: 8-5, 5-3 ACC

Returning starters: 9 offense, 8 defense, 0 special teams

Key losses: OT Aaron Epps, DE Sheldon Rankins, DE Pio Vatuvei, LB James Burgess

Post-spring outlook: After winning six of their last seven games in 2015, the Cardinals are flying high heading into the offseason. Another reason for optimism: quarterback Lamar Jackson's rapid improvement. After becoming only the third player in FBS history to run and pass for more than 200 yards in a bowl game (Texas' Vince Young and Texas A&M's Johnny Manziel were the others), Jackson threw for 519 yards with eight touchdowns (against the No. 2 defense) in the spring game. He has plenty of skill players coming back around him, but the Cardinals will have to improve an offensive line that ranked next-to-last in sacks allowed (44) last season. Top pass rushers Trevon Young (fractured hip) and Devonte Fields(shoulder surgery) missed spring practices.
 
A technical note, we are NOT a member of the ACC for football. At least not yet.

Twalsh.........

Yes, this is true and as you note..........for now.

Keep in mind though that over 40% of ND's football schedule is currently against ACC teams and 100% in other sports. And remember just 2 or 3 years ago posters on this board said ND did not have to recruit younger kids because the recruits all come to ND on their own.

Ahh yes, how things change..........and change.........and keep changing.
 
Twalsh.........

Yes, this is true and as you note..........for now.

Keep in mind though that over 40% of ND's football schedule is currently against ACC teams and 100% in other sports. And remember just 2 or 3 years ago posters on this board said ND did not have to recruit younger kids because the recruits all come to ND on their own.

Ahh yes, how things change..........and change.........and keep changing.

Duo every time he sees an article that puts ND and FSU football in the same story

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The ACC sucks and as others, non trolls, have pointed out ND is not an ACC football member and likely never will be.
 
Duo every time he sees an article that puts ND and FSU football in the same story

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blooded.......

The ACC, all of which have been or will be ND football opponents at some point comprise about 1/4 of the preseason top 25. Considering ND has lost to a number of those opponents makes it interesting. Maybe not to you but then again.........Cést la vie. Cést ton probleme.
 
What really sucks is one poster like argus posting under a list of different names like epictitus, tim terrific, big fella fan, holy smoke and a long list of others.

Why stir the pot? Seems you're not happy unless you have Argus to bicker and hijack threads with. Why not just let a sleeping dog lie?

Was hoping that you had given up pestering the board with your ACC/FSU nonsense, or had been banned (again). :D
 
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Why stir the pot? Seems you're not happy unless you have Argus to bicker and hijack threads with. Why not just let a sleeping dog lie?

Was hoping that you had given up pestering the board with your ACC/FSU nonsense, or had been banned (again). :D

Hi Alice,

Great to hear from you.

Re: ACC nonsense:

Let me put it this way..........ND plus 5 other ACC teams make up about 1/4 of the pre-season top 25 teams in the nation. ND has lost to 3 of those 5 teams and barely squeaked by UNC (50-43) in a home game at South Bend. In addition, ND will play another ACC team ranked #24 in the nation pre-season October 29th in South Bend this year.

In other words, there is a lot going on for ND relative to the ACC this year. Including Miami ND will play the usual 5 ACC teams as they do every year. The write ups on the top 25 teams including ND this year are quite interesting reading especially if any of those teams make the playoffs. Based on what pundits are saying including the article above there is a reasonably good chance ND may face an ACC team if they make the playoffs. Good stuff, check it out.
 
"ND plus 5 other ACC teams make up about 1/4 of the pre-season top 25 teams in the nation. ND has lost to 3 of those 5 teams and barely squeaked by UNC (50-43) in a home game at South Bend. In addition, ND will play another ACC team ranked #24 in the nation pre-season October 29th in South Bend this year. "

What in hades are you talking about? Over past seasons ND has lost to all those teams and betting FSU has too.
Again just more pot stirring by you. Can we call you Argie Jr.?
 
The ACC sucks and as others, non trolls, have pointed out ND is not an ACC football member and likely never will be.
If the ACC sucks as you foolishly repeat every chance you get how does that reflect on a non-ACC team who routinely loses to teams from the sucky ACC.

I'm going to assume that by "non trolls" you aren't including yourself among that group?
 
If the ACC sucks as you foolishly repeat every chance you get how does that reflect on a non-ACC team who routinely loses to teams from the sucky ACC.

I'm going to assume that by "non trolls" you aren't including yourself among that group?
Scotch, you must understand...he is not only the very worst troll on the entire rivals network (severely mentally ill), but he also is incredibly stupid.
 
The ACC sucks and as others, non trolls, have pointed out ND is not an ACC football member and likely never will be.

Interestingly, fsu has won 3 national titles since our last one. In addition, miami has won 2 in that time frame. Who sucks?
At least you were right about winston's rookie season..... hahahaha
PS has your buddy Lou asked you to campaign for Trump?
 
Isn't it 3?
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But none of them were as members of the ACC. And actually since joining the ACC they have yet to even win their division.

You are correct. (They also won in '87.) So, the current ACC members have 6 NCs since we won our last.
 
What is more interesting about the ACC (what have you done for me lately) is in the last 2 or 3 years:

  • 2 of the last playoffs teams
  • 2 of the last finals teams
  • 2013 National Champion
  • 1st or 2nd in draft picks for the past few years
  • In the early rankings of 2016 two teams in the top four
  • Heisman winner in 2013
  • 3 Heisman contenders in 2016, (2 of the top 3) FSU running back Dalvin Cook, Clemson quarterback Deshaun Watson and Miami quarterback Brad Kaaya.
  • The ACC is on the cusp of completing a television channel deal most likely with ESPN (TBA soon).
And the list goes on and on in spite of the negative “propaganda” being pumped out by the media. It has become obvious that some media outlets were clearly promoting other conferences for financial or other reasons the past few years. Meanwhile, the ACC has continued to grow and get stronger year by year. And those are the facts.
 
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You are correct. (They also won in '87.) So, the current ACC members have 6 NCs since we won our last.

How many of those occurred while the team in question was in the ACC?
(all that matters for such a discussion)

It's stupid to give a conference "credit" for something a member team did while in a different conference
(like crediting the Big10 with Nebraska wins while in the Big12 or Penn St. wins as an independent)

There is no question that the ACC has struggled in football over the last couple of decades.......but then, so has ND
 
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What is more interesting about the ACC (what have you done for me lately) is in the last 2 or 3 years:

  • 2 of the last playoffs teams
  • 2 of the last finals teams
  • 2013 National Champion
  • 1st or 2nd in draft picks for the past few years
  • In the early rankings of 2016 two teams in the top four
  • Heisman winner in 2013
  • 3 Heisman contenders in 2016, (2 of the top 3) FSU running back Dalvin Cook, Clemson quarterback Deshaun Watson and Miami quarterback Brad Kaaya.
  • The ACC is on the cusp of completing a television channel deal most likely with ESPN (TBA soon).
And the list goes on and on in spite of the negative “propaganda” being pumped out by the media. It has become obvious that some media outlets were clearly promoting other conferences for financial or other reasons the past few years. Meanwhile, the ACC has continued to grow and get stronger year by year. And those are the facts.

The ACC has "grown stronger" in that there are now at least some teams/programs with quality, where as 5-6 years ago the entire conference was an after-thought in football

The ACC still has a long way to go to match the overall football quality of the SEC/Big10/Pac12, over any meaningful length of time......but it's now moving closer to those conferences instead of appearing to be sliding backwards towards the MWC or the MAC

The ACC needs FSU and Clemson to continue being "flag bearers" while also developing some sort of "quality depth". Getting programs like Miami to stop sucking, or Louisville/North Carolina to consistently step up would go a long way.

If the ACC can accomplish that over a reasonable number of years, then they'll see a significant increase in TV revenues (like the Big10 just did) and one of the major barriers to adding ND to the conference will be removed

But the ACC has to show that the conference is good enough to CONSISTENTLY compete with the SEC/Big10 for the big bucks....
 
Let's keep it real..."The ACC" success recently has really only been FSU and Clemson. Kinda like "The SEC" dominance really only being Alabama and LSU.
 
Let's keep it real..."The ACC" success recently has really only been FSU and Clemson. Kinda like "The SEC" dominance really only being Alabama and LSU.

I'm not so sure about that second part...

Florida did win multiple NC's with Meyer and Tennessee won 1 with Fulmer
The SEC has long term success in the relatively recent history of football with several teams (which is what drives the big bucks)

The ACC needs to get more depth and consistency
 
I'm not so sure about that second part...

Florida did win multiple NC's with Meyer and Tennessee won 1 with Fulmer
The SEC has long term success in the relatively recent history of football with several teams (which is what drives the big bucks)

The ACC needs to get more depth and consistency

Absolutely agree ^^

Clemson and FSU speak for themselves. And some interesting teams to watch are: UNC, Miami, Louisville and of course, ND. At this writing UNC is recruiting as well as anybody.
 
Absolutely agree ^^

Clemson and FSU speak for themselves. And some interesting teams to watch are: UNC, Miami, Louisville and of course, ND. At this writing UNC is recruiting as well as anybody.


Well, if by "as well as anyone" you mean not having a single composite Top25 any time in the last 5 years..........then you're exactly correct

The ACC needs teams like Miami to just pull their head out of their ass......and teams like North Carolina and Louisville to accumulate more overall talent so they can compete at a higher level more consistently
 
Well, if by "as well as anyone" you mean not having a single composite Top25 any time in the last 5 years..........then you're exactly correct

The ACC needs teams like Miami to just pull their head out of their ass......and teams like North Carolina and Louisville to accumulate more overall talent so they can compete at a higher level more consistently

Yep, the ACC needs to change for sure............oh wait, the ACC has a whole host of new coaches this year and things are a changin big time!

Re: Miami, Louisville and UNC

Miami is in the hottest area in the country for recruiting. If Richt can't turn them around in 2 or 3 years then something is seriously wrong. My bet is on Mark Richt.

Louisville has already beaten ND. Bobby Petrino has a history of getting the most out of the least. If he can up the talent level a tad he will be competing with the big boys.

UNC went 11 and 3, (8 and 0 in the ACC) and lost to Clemson 45-37 and Baylor 49-38. The year before they lost to ND 50-43. It will be interesting to see how they do once they are out from under sanctions.
 
Yep, the ACC needs to change for sure............oh wait, the ACC has a whole host of new coaches this year and things are a changin big time!

Re: Miami, Louisville and UNC

Miami is in the hottest area in the country for recruiting. If Richt can't turn them around in 2 or 3 years then something is seriously wrong. My bet is on Mark Richt.

Louisville has already beaten ND. Bobby Petrino has a history of getting the most out of the least. If he can up the talent level a tad he will be competing with the big boys.

UNC went 11 and 3, (8 and 0 in the ACC) and lost to Clemson 45-37 and Baylor 49-38. The year before they lost to ND 50-43. It will be interesting to see how they do once they are out from under sanctions.

Mark Richt is a SEC washout. He is going to a has been football program to collect a paycheck.

After the Irish put a beatdown on the Canes this year. His seat will get hot AGAIN !
 
Mark Richt is a SEC washout. He is going to a has been football program to collect a paycheck.

After the Irish put a beatdown on the Canes this year. His seat will get hot AGAIN !

Richt is now coaching for his Alma Mater. He beat most teams in the SEC but like all the other teams in the SEC he had trouble beating Nick Saban and Alabama. Georgia came very close many times but just couldn't quite get it done. Let's see how he does this year with a very short time to recruit and prepare and more importantly let's see what happens over the next 2 or 3 years.

So........with the 38 points you're giving it is now ND zero and Miami +38. All you need is 5 TD's and 1 field goal to tie the game! Good luck! Should be a great game.

Mark Richt's Head coaching record
Year Team Overall Conference Standing Bowl/playoffs Coaches# AP°
Georgia Bulldogs
(Southeastern Conference) (2001–2015)
2001 Georgia 8–4 5–3 T–3rd (Eastern) L Music City 25 22
2002 Georgia 13–1 7–1 1st (Eastern) W Sugar† 3 3
2003 Georgia 11–3 6–2 T–1st (Eastern) W Capital One 6 7
2004 Georgia 10–2 6–2 2nd (Eastern) W Outback 6 7
2005 Georgia 10–3 6–2 1st (Eastern) L Sugar† 10 10
2006 Georgia 9–4 4–4 T–3rd (Eastern) W Chick-fil-A 23
2007 Georgia 11–2 6–2 T–1st (Eastern) W Sugar† 3 2
2008 Georgia 10–3 6–2 2nd (Eastern) W Capital One 10 13
2009 Georgia 8–5 4–4 T–2nd (Eastern) W Independence
2010 Georgia 6–7 3–5 T–3rd (Eastern) L Liberty
2011 Georgia 10–4 7–1 1st (Eastern) L Outback 18 18
2012 Georgia 12–2 7–1 T–1st (Eastern) W Capital One 4 5
2013 Georgia 8–5 5–3 3rd (Eastern) L Gator
2014 Georgia 10–3 6–2 2nd (Eastern) W Belk 9 9
2015 Georgia 9–3 5–3 T–2nd (Eastern) TaxSlayer* 25*
Georgia: 145–51 83–37
 
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Richt is now coaching for his Alma Mater. He beat most teams in the SEC but like all the other teams in the SEC he had trouble beating Nick Saban and Alabama. Georgia came very close many times but just couldn't quite get it done. Let's see how he does this year with a very short time to recruit and prepare and more importantly let's see what happens over the next 2 or 3 years.

So........with the 38 points you're giving it is now ND zero and Miami +38. All you need is 5 TD's and 1 field goal to tie the game! Good luck! Should be a great game.

Mark Richt's Head coaching record
Year Team Overall Conference Standing Bowl/playoffs Coaches# AP°
Georgia Bulldogs
(Southeastern Conference) (2001–2015)
2001 Georgia 8–4 5–3 T–3rd (Eastern) L Music City 25 22
2002 Georgia 13–1 7–1 1st (Eastern) W Sugar† 3 3
2003 Georgia 11–3 6–2 T–1st (Eastern) W Capital One 6 7
2004 Georgia 10–2 6–2 2nd (Eastern) W Outback 6 7
2005 Georgia 10–3 6–2 1st (Eastern) L Sugar† 10 10
2006 Georgia 9–4 4–4 T–3rd (Eastern) W Chick-fil-A 23
2007 Georgia 11–2 6–2 T–1st (Eastern) W Sugar† 3 2
2008 Georgia 10–3 6–2 2nd (Eastern) W Capital One 10 13
2009 Georgia 8–5 4–4 T–2nd (Eastern) W Independence
2010 Georgia 6–7 3–5 T–3rd (Eastern) L Liberty
2011 Georgia 10–4 7–1 1st (Eastern) L Outback 18 18
2012 Georgia 12–2 7–1 T–1st (Eastern) W Capital One 4 5
2013 Georgia 8–5 5–3 3rd (Eastern) L Gator
2014 Georgia 10–3 6–2 2nd (Eastern) W Belk 9 9
2015 Georgia 9–3 5–3 T–2nd (Eastern) TaxSlayer* 25*
Georgia: 145–51 83–37

Miami can't play defense. Even with all their athletes. Georgia under Richt stop playing good defense his last few years, Georgia played in the week sec east and played a bunch of division two and three cupcakes as filler games. Georgia had great athletes all over that team. A half way decent coach would have won at least one National Championship the last 15 years.
Notre Dame is loaded on offense and will score at will on Miami. The Irish did not have a very good offense in 2012 and still beat them 41to 3. It could be much uglier in 16. You will be eating a huge crow sandwich after that game. I hope you carry some hot sauce on your person like Crooked Hillary to give the sandwich better flavor..
 
blooded.......

The ACC, all of which have been or will be ND football opponents at some point comprise about 1/4 of the preseason top 25. Considering ND has lost to a number of those opponents makes it interesting. Maybe not to you but then again.........Cést la vie. Cést ton probleme.

I don't speak French but here is another recent beat down Miami raised the White flag in against the Irish.
Please study because it will be more of the same in 16 ! Notre Dame sends their players to the NFL and business. Miami sends their players to Prison ! Catholics vs Convicts !
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OK sounds good. Oh BTW, forgot to mention 2 National Championships and 2 Heisman winners that Richt coached personally:

1993--Charlie Ward, FSU Heisman winner and National Champions coached by Offensive Coordinator and QB's Coach Mark Richt.

1999--Chris Weinke, FSU Heisman winner and undefeated National Champions ranked #1 the entire season wire to wire coached by Offensive Coordinator and QB's Coach Mark Richt.

Of course, none of this means much relative to this year's ND game other than Mark Richt has been to the top of the mountain...............twice before, (simply for clarification).

Again, I belive ND will most likely win the Miami game this year.............just not by 5 TD's plus a field goal and more to win it.

Furthermore, I really don't think Mark Richt is a "washed up has been" that has never accomplished anything in his career. Should be a great CFB game featuring 2 Heisman hopefuls.

The only differences here are the different opinions of an all around CFB fan and a Notre Dame homer. Nothing wrong with either of those and it does make for lively conversation without any name calling or mean spirited intent.
 
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On the FSU boards, we have no clue what ND is going to do - and that alone creates a lot of anxiety. Until the "ND question" is answered, the ACC seems frozen in making any structural changes that many of us believe need to be made to create a better football product. Since the ACC-ND contract was created in September 2012, the Big Ten took MD and changed to east-west divisions (as a defensive measure against ND per Barry Alvarez) and the Big Ten also fought the ACC when we tried to change our format for creating a conference champ game (Big Ten floated the rumor that ND was about to join for football and the ACC was going to three divisions of five members each and that structure won't allow a champ game under the NCAA rules) Well, those rules were not changed. Last year the prevailing view was that the change was a no brainer. There is something about ND that frosts the ass of the BigTen commish (Bob Delany). Not sure how that hockey deal got worked out. What does it mean? Since when does ND join an inferior sports conference because of travel concerns?

I agree that ACC football will only be on a real uptick when the schools not named FSU and Clemson step up. VT, UVA, Miami, SU all have new head coaches. Louisville is getting close. But having CU and FSU in the same division every year is a problem. The ACC has too much diversity to have permanent divisions of 7 members each. For example, Wake Forest and BC look like candidates for a move to a non Power 5 conference. I am not even sure why BC is allowed to stay in the ACC - they are the only P5 school to vote against paying for "cost of attendance" scholarship money. And they are not paying it. And BC and Wake are in the Atlantic with FSU and CU. Go figure......The ACC is the kind of conference where you should have only three annual rivals and rotate the rest. But, the Big Ten crushed that idea....

ND can do what it wants. It earned that right. But the ACC has to move forward as well - with or without ND. I have a hard time believing that ND will ever join the ACC - ever - if it was forced to play the SAME 6 or 7 conference teams each year. I was hoping that ND would create a complete overhaul of scheduling as a condition and the division structure would change. I guess Bob Delany thinks that too.

And while all this is going on, the Big 12 continues to provide seeds of instability.......
 
I'm not so sure about that second part...

Florida did win multiple NC's with Meyer and Tennessee won 1 with Fulmer
The SEC has long term success in the relatively recent history of football with several teams (which is what drives the big bucks)

The ACC needs to get more depth and consistency
Auburn won a NC also.
 
Mark Richt is a SEC washout. He is going to a has been football program to collect a paycheck.

After the Irish put a beatdown on the Canes this year. His seat will get hot AGAIN !

According to Rick Scuteri at Bleacher Report:

"Notre Dame returns only 10 starters and must identify a replacement for fleet wideout Will Fuller, but the schedule is certainly in its favor. The Irish play only three true road games, including the opener at Texas. Brian Kelly has improved the talent level, and expect a 7-0 start after a narrow win over Stanford on Oct. 15.

But after an off week, Miami comes to town for a renewal of the old “Catholics vs. Convicts” rivalry. Mark Richt and Brad Kaaya have a surprise in store, and they’ll knock off the Irish for their first loss of 2016."

Again, while you're predicting a ND victory and you're giving Miami 38 points to boot some pundits are predicting Miami will defeat ND! Although I doubt that will happen put me down for Miami +38! :D
 
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