S.I.'s 10 Top Heisman Candidates for 2016

[TheDecker]

@cgvr gets absurd every single time he posts.

Has everyone point out the stupidity of what he's saying, fights it, and when even his level of moronic posting can't fight how stupid his comments are....he simply changes to a new troll topic

He gets knows nothing about football, then beat up, bent over, and exposed....but he keeps running his mouth

Sound like any female you know?

 

[TheDecker]

That's a given.. But completely irrelevant to the discussion.

Obviously

He doesn't know what he's talking about

He's just trolling

 

[Bodizephax]

Obviously

He doesn't know what he's talking about

He's just trolling

cgvr is a loser. I don't think he has any friends in real life so he takes his mental anguish out on Notre Dame fans on this board..

 

[echowaker]

rocket ismail didn't catch very many passes at nd or carry the ball all that much but he was a fairly effective offensive player whose mere presence on the field had a huge impact on how the defense played. his presence allowed the rest of the offense more opportunities. don't let statistics skew how the game is played.

 

[Epictitus]

cgvr is far worse than just a loser. He is a Notre Dame hater and an FSU fan. He is near the same low level, or worse, than guys like Duo and the late Mo1e.

 

[Duo]

cgvr is far worse than just a loser. He is a Notre Dame hater and an FSU fan. He is near the same low level, or worse, than guys like Duo and the late Mo1e.

Argus and all his different names is the worst thing that ever happened to Notre Dame. An illiterate loser that never attended anything at Notre Dame, the ultimate Irish embarrassment using such names as argusman, holy smoke, epictitus, big fella fan, tim terriffic, johnogaunt and a long list of others. A grown man that invents names and actually talks with himself on message boards. He is the pariah of the Rivals message board platform.

 

[scotchirishblood]

cgvr is far worse than just a loser. He is a Notre Dame hater and an FSU fan. He is near the same low level, or worse, than guys like Duo and the late Mo1e.

We learn so much from you. You're so informative. Post after post filled with substance and pertinent ND information. ND is lucky to have you giving us all such insight with your infinite wisdom of ND and the game of college FB. Keep up the good work and never worry about what the majority of posters say about you. Keep on keeping on. It's understandable why ND honored you at one of their halftimes.

 

[john0gaunt]

Argus and all his different names using such names as argusman, holy smoke, epictitus, big fella fan, tim terriffic and a long list of others. A grown man that invents names

More of this troll? Please take your trolling elsewhere, we don't want all our threads hijacked by your trolling. From the Wiki.

Trolling is a game about identity deception, albeit one that is played without the consent of most of the players. The troll attempts to pass as a legitimate participant, sharing the group's common interests and concerns; smart posters, if they are cognizant of trolls and other identity deceptions, attempt to both distinguish real from trolling postings

 

[Duo]

We learn so much from you. You're so informative. Post after post filled with substance and pertinent ND information. ND is lucky to have you giving us all such insight with your infinite wisdom of ND and the game of college FB. Keep up the good work and never worry about what the majority of posters say about you. Keep on keeping on. It's understandable why ND honored you at one of their halftimes.

Hear, hear all ye intelligent and educated people.........

Illiteracy has no bounds for pusillanimous argus et al.

 

[cgvr]

@cgvr gets absurd every single time he posts.

Has everyone point out the stupidity of what he's saying, fights it, and when even his level of moronic posting can't fight how stupid his comments are....he simply changes to a new troll topic

He gets knows nothing about football, then beat up, bent over, and exposed....but he keeps running his mouth

Sound like any female you know?

"And wait......now your comparing socring plays to non-scoring plays"

Apparently, you didn't watch the game.

2nd and 10 at STAN 35
(9:18 - 1st) C.J. Sanders 93 Yd Kickoff Return (Justin Yoon Kick)

1st and 10 at ND 27
(2:15 - 2nd) Will Fuller 73 Yd pass from DeShone Kizer (Justin Yoon Kick)

1st and 10 at ND 38
(5:24 - 3rd) Josh Adams 62 Yd Run (Two-Point Pass Conversion Failed)

Let me repeat myself, you have written,

"Special Teams yards aren't NEARLY as valuable as actual offensive yardage from schrimmage"
"Maybe if you weren't such a moron you'd understand that Special Teams yardage isn't equal to offensive yardage"

Please explain why CJ Sanders electric 93 yard TD return was less valuable than, Josh Adams 62 yard TD run and Will Fuller's 73 yard TD pass reception.

 

[echowaker]

"And wait......now your comparing socring plays to non-scoring plays"

Apparently, you didn't watch the game.

2nd and 10 at STAN 35
(9:18 - 1st) C.J. Sanders 93 Yd Kickoff Return (Justin Yoon Kick)

1st and 10 at ND 27
(2:15 - 2nd) Will Fuller 73 Yd pass from DeShone Kizer (Justin Yoon Kick)

1st and 10 at ND 38
(5:24 - 3rd) Josh Adams 62 Yd Run (Two-Point Pass Conversion Failed)

Let me repeat myself, you have written,

"Special Teams yards aren't NEARLY as valuable as actual offensive yardage from schrimmage"
"Maybe if you weren't such a moron you'd understand that Special Teams yardage isn't equal to offensive yardage"

Please explain why CJ Sanders electric 93 yard TD return was less valuable than, Josh Adams 62 yard TD run and Will Fuller's 73 yard TD pass reception.

yeah they weren't important to nd when tim brown or the rocket played either i guess.

 

[irishalice]

Argus and all his different names is the worst thing that ever happened to Notre Dame. An illiterate loser that never attended anything at Notre Dame, the ultimate Irish embarrassment using such names as argusman, holy smoke, epictitus, big fella fan, tim terriffic, johnogaunt and a long list of others. A grown man that invents names and actually talks with himself on message boards. He is the pariah of the Rivals message board platform.

How about the worst thing to happen to this message board? How in hades could he be the worst thing to happen to the ND? Of course, all posters sink to his level in baiting him on by replying to his nonsense, or calling him out aren't respectful of this board, or their fellow posters either. Why don't you stop with all of your Argus drama?

For those who think No1e is deceased, he posted on Chant yesterday. He took a swipe at ND fans in his post, so whether his hiatus here is of his own free will, or forced. He is alive and doing what No1e likes to do.

 

[cgvr]

yeah they weren't important to nd when tim brown or the rocket played either i guess.

Indeed. PS Rocket's return against Colorado would have been among the most historic in CFB history....

Sanders 11 second TD explosion was a perfect response to their opening 5 + minutes, 10 play, TD drive....

imo That type of lightening is invaluable.

kelly pre game: "....this year it seems to be about Christian McCaffery and rightfully so. He's a game-wrecker. He's a guy that can influence the game in special teams, catching the ball out of the backfield. Certainly running the football. Special, special player and deserving of all the accolades he's gotten."

 

[cgvr]

We learn so much from you. You're so informative. Post after post filled with substance and pertinent ND information. ND is lucky to have you giving us all such insight with your infinite wisdom of ND and the game of college FB. Keep up the good work and never worry about what the majority of posters say about you. Keep on keeping on. It's understandable why ND honored you at one of their halftimes.

Here's an argie gem courtesy of forevernole22:
What famous person do people say you resemble?

Many people have said JFK Jr., but I am much taller and now my thick hair is more white than reddish-brown.

68DubsDreader,May 14, 2015

https://forums.rivals.com/threads/w...e-say-you-resemble.100674/page-2#post-2134947

 

[TheDecker]

"And wait......now your comparing socring plays to non-scoring plays"

Apparently, you didn't watch the game.

2nd and 10 at STAN 35
(9:18 - 1st) C.J. Sanders 93 Yd Kickoff Return (Justin Yoon Kick)

1st and 10 at ND 27
(2:15 - 2nd) Will Fuller 73 Yd pass from DeShone Kizer (Justin Yoon Kick)

1st and 10 at ND 38
(5:24 - 3rd) Josh Adams 62 Yd Run (Two-Point Pass Conversion Failed)

Let me repeat myself, you have written,

"Special Teams yards aren't NEARLY as valuable as actual offensive yardage from schrimmage"
"Maybe if you weren't such a moron you'd understand that Special Teams yardage isn't equal to offensive yardage"

Please explain why CJ Sanders electric 93 yard TD return was less valuable than, Josh Adams 62 yard TD run and Will Fuller's 73 yard TD pass reception.

If you score the TD on Special Teams it's equally valuable..........tell me how many Special Teams scores did McAffery have against ND?

Again............in all of your moronic posting.............you've topped yourself and started comparing McAffery's non-scoring Special Teams plays to the scoring plays of others.

Seriously, please keep going @cgvr .......it's great watching someone go full Hindenburg like you are ITT!!!!

 

[TheDecker]

Indeed. PS Rocket's return against Colorado would have been among the most historic in CFB history....

Sanders 11 second TD explosion was a perfect response to their opening 5 + minutes, 10 play, TD drive....

imo That type of lightening is invaluable.

kelly pre game: "....this year it seems to be about Christian McCaffery and rightfully so. He's a game-wrecker. He's a guy that can influence the game in special teams, catching the ball out of the backfield. Certainly running the football. Special, special player and deserving of all the accolades he's gotten."

McAffery is a special, special player with the potential to be a game-wrecker

However, against ND he was ineffective as an RB, playing his least effective game of the entire year
(and in no way "wrecked the game")

Unfortunately for ND, Hogan had what may well have been the best game of his entire life.....showing uncharacteristic accuracy and consistency and leading his team to a great (and very frustrating) win

McAffery was along for the ride in 2015 against ND

 

[cgvr]

If you score the TD on Special Teams it's equally valuable..........tell me how many Special Teams scores did McAffery have against ND?

Again............in all of your moronic posting.............you've topped yourself and started comparing McAffery's non-scoring Special Teams plays to the scoring plays of others.

Seriously, please keep going @cgvr .......it's great watching someone go full Hindenburg like you are ITT!!!!

"If you score the TD on Special Teams it's equally valuable........"

Yay, progress! Now, what unit put the final nail in ND's coffin in the Stanford game?

PS I referred to Sanders TD return, to Adams run and Fuller's TD reception. Keep tilting at windmills.

 

[cgvr]

McAffery is a special, special player with the potential to be a game-wrecker

However, against ND he was ineffective as an RB, playing his least effective game of the entire year
(and in no way "wrecked the game")

Unfortunately for ND, Hogan had what may well have been the best game of his entire life.....showing uncharacteristic accuracy and consistency and leading his team to a great (and very frustrating) win

McAffery was along for the ride in 2015 against ND

Great your meds are kicking in. Whew! That was a rough one for you.

You may want to check his totals versus the # 114 total defense and # 118 scoring defense for 2015. That'd be a good start.

 

[echowaker]

McAffery is a special, special player with the potential to be a game-wrecker

However, against ND he was ineffective as an RB, playing his least effective game of the entire year
(and in no way "wrecked the game")

Unfortunately for ND, Hogan had what may well have been the best game of his entire life.....showing uncharacteristic accuracy and consistency and leading his team to a great (and very frustrating) win

McAffery was along for the ride in 2015 against ND

i call BS. one of the main reasons hogan was so effective was because mcaffery demands so much attention. great players can have huge impacts on games without big stats. define "effective" ? if he makes it easier on his teammates that is a huge contribution. pretty "effective" in my book. gotta look beyond the numbers.....most of the time.

 

[Duo]

How about the worst thing to happen to this message board? How in hades could he be the worst thing to happen to the ND? Of course, all posters sink to his level in baiting him on by replying to his nonsense, or baiting him aren't respectful of this board, or their fellow posters either. Why don't you stop with all of your Argus drama?

For those who think No1e is deceased, he posted on Chant yesterday. He took a swipe at ND fans in his post, so whether his hiatus here is of his own free will, or forced. He is alive and doing what No1e likes to do.

Alas Alice, you speak the truth. Argus et al is indeed an illiterate pain, totally insane and probably best left ignored. Good to hear from you again Alice. Your advice is well respected.

 

[bizzybecknd]

He wasn't much of a 'decoy' in the 11 other games he played. I call BS, players make plays, bottom line and he did that all year long. You don't get in the Heisman conversation by being a hell of a decoy. Did he have an impact on the game when he didn't touch the ball? Absolutely, ND's D has to plan for him but lets not get that confused with production.

Pretty sure ND's1st priority was stopping Fournette two years ago too. He had 16 less carries and 50 more yards and 2 TDs. Bottom line is, McCaffrey had plenty of ample opportunities to make plays in that game, 35 plus touches but was ultimately ineffective and not efficient. He had two sub-par games last season, one was against ND.

 

[cgvr]

i call BS. one of the main reasons hogan was so effective was because mcaffery demands so much attention. great players can have huge impacts on games without big stats. define "effective" ? if he makes it easier on his teammates that is a huge contribution. pretty "effective" in my book. gotta look beyond the numbers.....most of the time.

Yep, and they went 5 for 5 in the red zone. So, whatever they did worked.

 

[echowaker]

He wasn't much of a 'decoy' in the 11 other games he played. I call BS, players make plays, bottom line and he did that all year long. You don't get in the Heisman conversation by being a hell of a decoy. Did he have an impact on the game when he didn't touch the ball? Absolutely, ND's D has to plan for him but lets not get that confused with production.

Pretty sure ND's1st priority was stopping Fournette two years ago too. He had 16 less carries and 50 more yards and 2 TDs. Bottom line is, McCaffrey had plenty of ample opportunities to make plays in that game, 35 plus touches but was ultimately ineffective and not efficient. He had two sub-par games last season, one was against ND.

again you have to look beyond the numbers. think ismail didn't effectively impact a game without the ball ? stats are so misleading a lot of the time. he did make plays in the game. KO return for a score for one. did he convert any third downs ? did he draw extra attention from the defense allowing a teammate to convert ? again, going strictly by the numbers is very misleading. i've been in this game my entire life and have pretty much seen it all. nd did do a nice job on mcaffery overall but to categorize his contributions in his teams victory as "ineffective" is just silly in my opinion.

 

[Duo]

again you have to look beyond the numbers. think ismail didn't effectively impact a game without the ball ? stats are so misleading a lot of the time. he did make plays in the game. KO return for a score for one. did he convert any third downs ? did he draw extra attention from the defense allowing a teammate to convert ? again, going strictly by the numbers is very misleading. i've been in this game my entire life and have pretty much seen it all. nd did do a nice job on mcaffery overall but to categorize his contributions in his teams victory as "ineffective" is just silly in my opinion.

echo...........

Good post. I agree.

 

[Epictitus]

I guess many were just hoping Mo1e would never be back or even dead, but like a fungus or a bad rash, it is hard to kill!

 

[bizzybecknd]

again you have to look beyond the numbers. think ismail didn't effectively impact a game without the ball ? stats are so misleading a lot of the time. he did make plays in the game. KO return for a score for one. did he convert any third downs ? did he draw extra attention from the defense allowing a teammate to convert ? again, going strictly by the numbers is very misleading. i've been in this game my entire life and have pretty much seen it all. nd did do a nice job on mcaffery overall but to categorize his contributions in his teams victory as "ineffective" is just silly in my opinion.

He did not return a KO for a TD against ND. Again, I've never denied his impact on the game but this thread is about production. There are outliers when you look at his season stats, the dude flat out produced all year yet the ND game is one 2-3 games that was an outlier when compared to the rest of the season. Again, he had ample opportunity to make plays- 35 touches is a ton. His production against ND with plenty of opportunities doesn't jive with his production in the rest of the games.

Hypothetically, can you imagine if an ND running back who is arguably the best in the country, running behind one of the best O-Lines in the nation ran for 3.5 YPC in the biggest game of the year? Win or lose, this board would lose its mind on the ineffectiveness of BK and the running game. Highly doubtful we would be applauding his decoy abilities.

 

[Duo]

And don't forget one tiny detail.............Stanford won the game!

 

[bizzybecknd]

We've covered that, last defense against McCaffrey's lack of production. ND also beat BC last year...

 

[TheDecker]

Great your meds are kicking in. Whew! That was a rough one for you.

You may want to check his totals versus the # 114 total defense and # 118 scoring defense for 2015. That'd be a good start.

So you finally accept ND was his least effective game of the season??

After all your temper tantrums, I'm not sure I'm going to allow you to just come over the correct side without some begging and profuse apologies

For now, you'll remain relegated to the moronic side you so frequently occupy

 

[TheDecker]

again you have to look beyond the numbers. think ismail didn't effectively impact a game without the ball ? stats are so misleading a lot of the time. he did make plays in the game. KO return for a score for one. did he convert any third downs ? did he draw extra attention from the defense allowing a teammate to convert ? again, going strictly by the numbers is very misleading. i've been in this game my entire life and have pretty much seen it all. nd did do a nice job on mcaffery overall but to categorize his contributions in his teams victory as "ineffective" is just silly in my opinion.

I can't decide what's more incorrect.........your claim that McAffery scored a KR TD against ND............or all the other BS you're spewing

In reality, it's all equally made up and incorrect

Congrats on exposing yourself as being factually wrong and exposing and have an extremely poor understanding of games

 

[TheDecker]

i call BS. one of the main reasons hogan was so effective was because mcaffery demands so much attention. great players can have huge impacts on games without big stats. define "effective" ? if he makes it easier on his teammates that is a huge contribution. pretty "effective" in my book. gotta look beyond the numbers.....most of the time.

Watch the game again, McAffery wasn't pulling 3 defenders into the box and having Hogan play pitch and catch to wide open receivers

Hogan made pinpoint throws that he usually missed on and his receivers made fantastic catches

McAffery was ineffective against ND...........it's as simple as that.
The numbers show it
The film shows it
Evreything shows it

McAffery is a good player who played a mediocre game against ND and was shut down. The way he played, he probably wasn't a Top5 RB that ND faced last year
(despite having hte talent to be the #1 RB we face)

Sorry buddy

 

[TheDecker]

He wasn't much of a 'decoy' in the 11 other games he played. I call BS, players make plays, bottom line and he did that all year long. You don't get in the Heisman conversation by being a hell of a decoy. Did he have an impact on the game when he didn't touch the ball? Absolutely, ND's D has to plan for him but lets not get that confused with production.

Pretty sure ND's1st priority was stopping Fournette two years ago too. He had 16 less carries and 50 more yards and 2 TDs. Bottom line is, McCaffrey had plenty of ample opportunities to make plays in that game, 35 plus touches but was ultimately ineffective and not efficient. He had two sub-par games last season, one was against ND.

Obviously

But a couple trolls don't want to admit this and a couple morons can't see it
(and some people like @cgvr fall into both categories)

McAffery was ineffective against ND.........plain and simple

Hogan had the game of his life, and was the difference for Stanford

 

[TheDecker]

And don't forget one tiny detail.............Stanford won the game!

Which is completely irrelevant to the conversation, unless you are dumb enough to argue:
"They won, so all of their players must have played well"

In that case, I can only pray you remove your genes from the human population quickly

 

[Duo]

Which is completely irrelevant to the conversation, unless you are dumb enough to argue:
"They won, so all of their players must have played well"

In that case, I can only pray you remove your genes from the human population quickly

Sure nuff...........so, ND played superbly and Stanford played "ineffectively" but in some inexplicable way or another the scoreboard just ended up in their favor. OK, got it (and nobody else is entitled to an opinion no matter what) right. What a guy!

 

[TheDecker]

Sure nuff...........so, ND played superbly and Stanford played "ineffectively" but in some inexplicable way or another the scoreboard just ended up in their favor. OK, got it (and nobody else is entitled to an opinion no matter what) right. What a guy!

So now you're expanding the play of specific player to the entire team.........because you've been so thoroughly humiliated by the stupidity of your initial comments

Wow.
There really aren't words for how pathetic of an attempt this post was......

The level of stupidity that you and @cgvr show every time you post is truly terrifying

Have either of you not been completely dismembered in every single debate?
It's sad really.

 

[cgvr]

So you finally accept ND was his least effective game of the season??

After all your temper tantrums, I'm not sure I'm going to allow you to just come over the correct side without some begging and profuse apologies

For now, you'll remain relegated to the moronic side you so frequently occupy

First off, my focus has been the original post on production for which Irishblooded admitted he was wrong. Your psychedelic Don Quixote like adventure where you made things up, contradicted yourself, forgot who you were was quite entertaining.....

Let me give you some numbers. For the 2015 season:

He (Christian McCaffrey) had his 5th worst receiving average versus ND.
He had his 2nd worst rushing average versus ND.
He had his 4th best kick return game versus ND.
He had his 5th best punt return game versus ND.
He had 4 games where he had less all purpose yards than against ND.

Here are McCaffrey's lowest production totals for the season.
The red numbers represent Christian McCaffrey's (CM) % contribution to all purpose yards. I also included the opposition's scoring D and total D numbers.

As you can plainly see he represented 40% of Stanford's output versus ND.

Washington State 136 yds (# 84 Total D #74 Scoring D) 383 All purpose yards/APY CM 35%
UCF 166 yds #114 Total D (# 118 Scoring D 523 APY) CM 32%
NW 171 yds (Stanford lost) (#13 Total D # 12 Scoring D) 322 APY CM 53%
Colorado 197 yds (#85 Total D # 70 Scoring D) 555 APY CM 35%
ND 228 yds (#45 Total D # 39 Scoring D) 559 APY CM 40%

"And his worst production of the entire season last year.......... Came against ND"

ND is no where near his least effective game by any stretch other than your hallucinations.

If one would like to say that Christian McCaffrey had his 2nd lowest average rushing yards per carry versus ND last year that would be accurate.

 

[Pennick4]

cgvr is a loser. I don't think he has any friends in real life so he takes his mental anguish out on Notre Dame fans on this board..

The Cos(Mr. Huxtebal) will be in jail in a few months. Doubt he can post his blabber from there.

 

[TheDecker]

First off, my focus has been the original post on production for which Irishblooded admitted he was wrong. Your psychedelic Don Quixote like adventure where you made things up, contradicted yourself, forgot who you were was quite entertaining.....

Let me give you some numbers. For the 2015 season:

He (Christian McCaffrey) had his 5th worst receiving average versus ND.
He had his 2nd worst rushing average versus ND.
He had his 4th best kick return game versus ND.
He had his 5th best punt return game versus ND.
He had 4 games where he had less all purpose yards than against ND.

Here are McCaffrey's lowest production totals for the season.
The red numbers represent Christian McCaffrey's (CM) % contribution to all purpose yards. I also included the opposition's scoring D and total D numbers.

As you can plainly see he represented 40% of Stanford's output versus ND.

Washington State 136 yds (# 84 Total D #74 Scoring D) 383 All purpose yards/APY CM 35%
UCF 166 yds #114 Total D (# 118 Scoring D 523 APY) CM 32%
NW 171 yds (Stanford lost) (#13 Total D # 12 Scoring D) 322 APY CM 53%
Colorado 197 yds (#85 Total D # 70 Scoring D) 555 APY CM 35%
ND 228 yds (#45 Total D # 39 Scoring D) 559 APY CM 40%

"And his worst production of the entire season last year.......... Came against ND"

ND is no where near his least effective game by any stretch other than your hallucinations.

If one would like to say that Christian McCaffrey had his 2nd lowest average rushing yards per carry versus ND last year that would be accurate.

Very long winded way to say

"Yes, McAfferry had his least effective game of the season"

But no worries, everyone already knows this whole thread has been an excretes in you demonstrating how incredibly stupid you are.

I'm glad you were finally acne to accept exactly what I've been telling you the whole time though

In the future, try to post less, read more, and learn a little something....before you let your stupidity run rampant

 

[cgvr]

cgvr is a loser. I don't think he has any friends in real life so he takes his mental anguish out on Notre Dame fans on this board..

You're an admitted lech.

"Turnovermachine always has awesome avatars. They make me drool."
10Bodizephax

 

[cgvr]

Very long winded way to say

"Yes, McAfferry had his least effective game of the season"

But no worries, everyone already knows this whole thread has been an excretes in you demonstrating how incredibly stupid you are.

I'm glad you were finally acne to accept exactly what I've been telling you the whole time though

In the future, try to post less, read more, and learn a little something....before you let your stupidity run rampant

Yep, McCaffrey accounted for 40% of Stanford's yards versus ND. That kind of makes you.... well you know.....