More Speculation of ND to Big 10
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Everyone needs to win more games if you dont win the Title, yes
But in comparing Quinn v Clausen..... lol. Not even comparable
A rudimentary philosopher, I like it. Somewhat of a mix between Aristotle and Jesus.My response was to your "...are not in the same galaxy of discussion. I question your intelligence by linking them together." Apparently, you also link galaxies together.
You already have all the light there is at your disposal. Therefore, the only advice I can give you, if you perceive a need to be enlightened, is to stop hiding your light under a bushel basket. But I expect you've already heard that advice.
It is not possible to learn new things. Love is the only truth. The only way not to know this is to pretend to yourself that there are things other than love that are true, and then start replacing one of these things with another and calling it progress. Since all these things are illusions, there is no progress, except perhaps in letting go of learning new things by realizing that there aren't any.
But you got your opinions and I got mine.
Your last two paragraphs, albeit a world salad, are comprehensible. I'm still lost as to your assertion "galaxies are linked" and what that has to do with the diameter of our galaxy (100,000 light years) (a distance not even close enough to compare flat earth and 9/11)?
Iron sharpens iron like one man sharpens another; sharpen me brother, please.
I'm taking junior year Jimmy Clausen over any year Brady Quinn had. I want my QB accurate and able to distribute the ball all over the field consistently. I absolutely LOVE BQ, but he would be WILDLY inaccurate at times.
Jimmy holds the higher QBR, Yards Attempt and Completion %. He fell 125yrds short of BQ's 3900yrd season, and did so on 25 less pass attempts. He played through a toe injury 75% of his junior season. I assume if he came back for his senior season he'd own all the QB records at ND.
His junior year defense gave up 26ppg, several points more than BQ's worst.
2005 and 2006 ND teams were much better than any Clausen led team.
To say Quinn and Clausen are not comparable, in terms of on-field QB success, is off-base IMO.
Clausens last 2 years teams were very talented. Especially the 09 team. Very very talented
Quinns teams won. Clausens didnt.
I like my QBs to be able to do what you said but also not be a statue in the pocket and avoid some sacks every once in awhile. Clausens lack of mobility killed so many drives
When the game was on the line, give me BQ every day of the week and twice on saturdays. Intangibles and leadership are not even a debate.
Clausens last 2 years we played 4 ranked teams, we went 0 and 4 and averaged 19 ppg lol
Quinn last 2 years we played 9 ranked teams, we went 4 and 5 and averaged 29 ppg
Quinn easy
2009 Team Stats.
ND Sacks Allowed Per Game-- Ranked 70th.
ND Rush YPG- Ranked 84th.
ND Rush Yards Per Carry- Ranked 75th.
ND Defensive YPG Allowed- Ranked 86th.
ND PPG Allowed- Ranked 63rd.
"Clausen's last 2 teams were very talented, especially 2009. Very Very talented."--Golson.
That's fair. I agree on the mobility. Jimmy hurt toe or not he lacked mobility.
That said:
6 ND players were drafted in 2009, 2010, 2011 (Clausen Soph, Jr and year after he left).
14 players were drafted in 06, 07, 08 (BQ Jr, sr and year after). Quinn's teams were CLEARLY better.
Quinn had 4 OL and 2 TE drafted during those three years. Clausen had 2 OL and 1 TE. Clausen clearly had the better receivers in Floyd, Tate and Rudolph.
Debate is closer than you might think tho, and maybe not so easy.
I will say tho, and it's counter-productive to my argument, I'd take Quinn in the 2005 USC game. I wouldn't drop Clausen into that one. Quinn showed up and showed out. That mobility was massive. BQ was the man for that game. I broke my hand on the door frame doing an MJ dunk when Quinn ran in the TD.
What are you putting forth SJB? Are you agreeing or disagreeing that Clausen/Quinn is a close debate re: QB talent/skill/choice
The ACC might not be around much longer. Basically, it will be the Big 10, SEC, and maybe one other league forming from the leftovers.
IMO Jimmy Clausen is the best throwing QB I have ever witnessed wear a Notre Dame uniform, and he only stayed 3 seasons. The program he played for 2007-2008-2009 was a dumpster fire, horribly coached on defense, and that's why Charlie Weis was fired after 2009.
3722--68.8%-28/4 in your third season speaks loudly.
I would love to know if he regrets not staying for a fourth season.
The 2009 team had 23 people play in the league. The team was loaded
The 2006 team had 19 people play in the league
The 2005 team had 21 players in the league
Clausen was a better thrower, Quinn was a better quarterback.
Love Clausen and Quinn. Truly hard to compare with Clausen and Tate leaving early.
The ole debate “imagine if Clausen and Tate came back like Quinn & Samardzija did” can go on forever.
My take, if they did come back, Jimmy would’ve broken nearly every record Quinn ever set. I certainly like Quinn’s intangibles better. Leadership in particular. He was the golden child and a great role model for the young ND fans.
But Clausen could spin it like no other Irish QB. Both incredible and we haven’t touched either’s talent since. The debate will forever be undecided due to Clausen’s premature departure.
If I had to choose a QB to take today in their 4th year at ND, I’m taking Jimmy but with a heavy heart because I loved Brady.
The ole debate “imagine if Clausen and Tate came back like Quinn & Samardzija did” can go on forever.
My take, if they did come back, Jimmy would’ve broken nearly every record Quinn ever set. I certainly like Quinn’s intangibles better. Leadership in particular. He was the golden child and a great role model for the young ND fans.
But Clausen could spin it like no other Irish QB. Both incredible and we haven’t touched either’s talent since. The debate will forever be undecided due to Clausen’s premature departure.
If I had to choose a QB to take today in their 4th year at ND, I’m taking Jimmy but with a heavy heart because I loved Brady.
Unfortunately the ACC is the best cultural fit for ND. Geography means almost nothing in this day and age, but culture wise schools like wake, duke, bc, Miami are better matches than most anything in the big ten minus northwestern.
I still hold out hopes that the majority of the acc merges with the big 12...UNC, Duke, NCSU, UVA, GT, Miami, VT, Louisville and they can be a real alternative to the big ten and sec for Notre Dame to tie to. ND doesn't fit with the big ten or the sec from a values perspective
I still hold out hopes that the majority of the acc merges with the big 12...UNC, Duke, NCSU, UVA, GT, Miami, VT, Louisville and they can be a real alternative to the big ten and sec for Notre Dame to tie to. ND doesn't fit with the big ten or the sec from a values perspective
We are all the only begotten Son of God. Jesus only differs from us in that he is nothing else.
Seems to me that the concepts "word salad" and "comprehensible" are antithetical.
First, I believe we are agreed that galaxies are linked. Again, my response was to your "...are not in the same galaxy of discussion. I question your intelligence by linking them together." Apparently, you also link galaxies together, so I don't understand why you question the intelligence of someone who links things that are in different galaxies of discussion, since you concur that galaxies are themselves linked.
Comprehensible, aka - intelligible, aka - able to be understood. You can put forth a word salad and I can figure out what you're saying - it's still a word salad.
My statement "not in the same galaxy of discussion" implied there was great distance between the merits of questioning 9/11 and questioning the earth being flat. 100,000 lightyears of distance. No other connected galaxy need be mentioned.
Perhaps I should have said they weren't in the same ball park? To which you would have replied ball parks are connected (by streets and roads and the like).
Youre wasting my time Bob. Time is fleeting, as you know, so I'll excuse myself at this point.
"Word salad," defined as "confused or unintelligible mixture of seemingly random words and phrases." I don't believe I'm confused (do you?). You say you don't find them unintelligible. I don't believe the words are random. By what criteria, then, do you determine them to be a word salad?
Perhaps you shouldn't have called the poster's intelligence into question. Clever put downs are a placing of your creative force into the service of your ego or false personality. As such, they are a misapplication of same.
Love is the only truth. Love is eternal. Therefore, time does not exist. Except as a foundational aspect of our illusions — which, as you know, do not exist. What does not exist cannot be wasted. What is nonexistent is not fleeting.
Very well. If you should wish to chat again, I'm always available.
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