Big Ten is a f***** shit hole of a conference with it’s damn leader THE Ohio State Shitholes. Kick OSU out then I would consider, I mean consider joining. Since that will never happen I wouldn’t worry about it. F the Big Ten.
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the saving grace, the excuse, will be that the BUG is no longer a conference run by the big2 but a league run by media executives. I am not calling for us to join but saying that if we do it won't look anything like the conference we grew up in. Kind of like the NFL where the Cowboys and NYG don't have all that much power over the executive class that works in league offices.
I agree with you. However, as the BIG10 and SEC continue to expand they are establishing a national footprint. Once USC joins the BIG10, they'll have member institutions coast to coast.
Once the ACC is raided, which in my opinion is inevitable. If Clemson, FSU and a couple of others go to the SEC, and Miami, UNC, among others end up in the BIG10. The BIG10 would then have schools in every part of the country sans the southwest. They would have a national footprint with national scheduling, including in the fertile recruiting hotbeds of the south and west.
As much as I prefer ND remain independent, it's going to become increasingly difficult to justify maintaining independence.
I wouldn't.
No Thank You to 9 games annually in the the Big 10, and being no different than Northwestern or Iowa.
Nothing ironic about it at all. I had an opinion and made a case based on fact. You offered up nothing but a dislike for a team. And for some odd reason six months later it still bothers you. you must live a pretty pathetic, empty life.
Lol, someone is rustled. Pretty easy to recall your argument that ignored the 2 losses and a 4 pt win over 7 loss A+M, and a 1 pt win over a 5 loss Texas team
Why don’t you grow up. Why do you have to pick a fight with everyone on the board. Grow up and at like a man.
Sure, by unobservable dark matter. Regardless, my analogy stands. Flat earth and 9/11 have an enormous gap b/w them RE: worthy of investigation / discussion.
Feel free to enlighten me though. I love learning new things.
Minority opinion here--would be happy with wait and see for a bit but, I think the writing is on the wall, and would be equally happy with Big Ten so long as 8 games in football and USC is always one of the 8. All that does is switch out 5 acc games for 7 big ten games, provide a lot more money, some security, more playoff home games and better bowl games.
No Thank You.
Not interested in being no different than Northwestern, Iowa, or Illinois.
At the end of the day, the ND brass will do what is they feel is best for ND -- does not matter what anyone on here thinks.
the bigger question is -- IF (just a hypothetical) IF ND should join the B10 (again, there is nothing to suggest they are at this point) -- would you still support ND?
This "Northwestern is in the Big Ten and thus we would become Northwestern" is bizarre thinking. Why is Clemson not Wake? Why is Bama not Vandy? It because of commitment, tradition, recruiting base, and facilities.... If the thinking is that the Big Ten would gang up on ND, I can see that concern, so let's get some scheduling protections. If the concern is we become regionalized, note coast to coast Big 10 is not really a regional conference--and with 7 games plus SC we would have flexibility. These are complicated considerations for sure, and I really like to hear the well stated counter arguments--but "we would become NW" is not one of them.
Like the PGA, maybe $$$$$$$$ will win out, and Swarbick, etc. will decide that the BIG 10 full time for football is what Notre Dame will do.
I simply do not believe that will happen, but if it does, so be it, I will of course support the team.
9 annual games in the Big 10, becoming a regional midwest program, no different than Iowa, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana, or Northwestern, is hard to imagine.
While your post was not directed to me, I think there is a real possibility that, should ND join the Big 10, we would join Northwestern as a perennial loser in the conference. ND became ND as a result of ND's willingness to take on all comers, to play anyone anywhere. This mentality caused ND to have a national fanbase. We were a national team because we played a national schedule. We drew kids from all over the country.
If we join the Big 10, we no longer are a team with nationwide appeal. We become a small private midwestern school, along the lines of Northwestern. And while I understand your focus on commitment, tradition, recruiting base, and facilities, those things would fade over time. That's how I see it.
Weis was 0-5 against USC, and Charlie lost both bowl games QB'd by Brady Quinn.
Must have been poor leadership from Quinn.
19 and 6. Great leadership. Took over a floundering program
The other guy took over a 19 and 6 program that was ascending and went backwards. Hmmmm
Don't forget the lack of mobility. You always seem to leave that part out
Nah, he's all right sometimes. He just throws tantrums when he gets even a remote sniff of being criticized.
If you didn’t respond to every post which you repeat the same response over and over again this board would be much better. You and Golson5 just ruin this board.
My response was to your "...are not in the same galaxy of discussion. I question your intelligence by linking them together." Apparently, you also link galaxies together.
You already have all the light there is at your disposal. Therefore, the only advice I can give you, if you perceive a need to be enlightened, is to stop hiding your light under a bushel basket. But I expect you've already heard that advice.
It is not possible to learn new things. Love is the only truth. The only way not to know this is to pretend to yourself that there are things other than love that are true, and then start replacing one of these things with another and calling it progress. Since all these things are illusions, there is no progress, except perhaps in letting go of learning new things by realizing that there aren't any.
But you got your opinions and I got mine.
That PGA thing was all about money from the getgo. There was nothing to "win out" over. People talk about how the PGA started by condemning human rights violations and barring LIV players from playing in PGA events and all that stuff, and then hypocritically went against their principles by merging. No. Principles had nothing to do with it. It's more of an "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em thing." All that upfront bluster was nothing more than an attempt to squash the LIV before it got started. It isn't as if they believe anything that they said; maybe they do and maybe they don't. Not important. Off topic, if you would. The purpose is to manipulate people into forming negative opinions of the LIV.
When that didn't work (the LIV had plenty of money behind it) the PGA negotiated a merger.
It seems pretty clear that a number of golfers didn't like the way the PGA was being run, and weren't able to get themselves heard. If there weren't that dissatisfaction, the LIV wouldn't have been able to convince 38 PGA players to move.
Because he played in 2 ny6 bowl games against better teams. 19 and 6
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