More Speculation of ND to Big 10
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Politics means power. Not just power in a government. Universities and athletic departments have a lot of power so these are fairly described as political decisions. It is quite obvious when conference realignment is presented as a map like a game of Risk.
We are no longer Independent like the past. We are 50% independent. We play 6 ACC games a year. The ACC is already on the break of dismantling.
If we could be 100% independent and schedule like we used to, I’d vote for that. Unfortunately, I believe those days are over.
With the BIG10 trying to move to a 10 game conference schedule, it’ll be hard to book a good independent schedule. BIG10 won’t be as regional as it used to be. UCLA/USC joining. Schools like Oregon and Miami may eventually get the invite.
If we can’t go back to 100% independent, BIG10 is the easy choice. Most of our rivals will be there (USC, Mich, MSU, Purdue) not to mention being able to play OSU, Penn St, Wisconsin, etc. Of course there’s some below average teams there too, but I’m tired of “half” playing in the lame ACC with teams like Wake, Duke, Virginia etc.
If we recruited better than all the conference teams, I’d be more enticed into saying the regional schedule hurts recruiting, it clearly doesn’t. Bama, Georgia, OSU, have proven that wrong.
If we could be 100% independent and schedule like we used to, I’d vote for that. Unfortunately, I believe those days are over.
With the BIG10 trying to move to a 10 game conference schedule, it’ll be hard to book a good independent schedule. BIG10 won’t be as regional as it used to be. UCLA/USC joining. Schools like Oregon and Miami may eventually get the invite.
If we can’t go back to 100% independent, BIG10 is the easy choice. Most of our rivals will be there (USC, Mich, MSU, Purdue) not to mention being able to play OSU, Penn St, Wisconsin, etc. Of course there’s some below average teams there too, but I’m tired of “half” playing in the lame ACC with teams like Wake, Duke, Virginia etc.
If we recruited better than all the conference teams, I’d be more enticed into saying the regional schedule hurts recruiting, it clearly doesn’t. Bama, Georgia, OSU, have proven that wrong.
Could not disagree more with this post. The minute ND joins the Big 10, ND becomes a regional midwestern school. We will become Northwestern 2.0. We will get screwed by Michigan, Ohio St., Penn St., etc., every chance they get. There is nothing to be gained by joining the Big 10.
BTW, ND doesn't play 6 ACC games a year. While we play 4 some years and 6 some years, we average playing 5. Clemson, FSU, and Miami are typically quality programs.
ND does not need to take any action now. Why some seem intent on pushing us to this conference or that conference is beyond me.
No Thank you.
Not interested whatsoever in being aligned with Michigan, and being no different than Iowa, Rutgers, or Northwestern.
Hell To The Fuc.... No.
Agree.
I wonder what the ratio is between ND grads versus Non-ND grads with regard to joining the BIG 10.
So I’m with you, who are those who are advocating for ND to join the BIG 10 ?
Good call on the not 6 games every year. You are correct. Not sure what you mean by “get screwed” by OSU and other teams though.
I’m concerned with the football landscape changing, mega conferences. ND making approx $25M per year staying independent with our NBC contract while the BIG10 teams make $90M per year. Money leads to resources to stay inline with the best teams. If we fall behind, that is the only way our program would become “Northwestern.”
Scheduling I’m worried about mega conferences not having enough schedule space for out of conference games Vs ND. Which would mean we’d be scheduling subpar programs that weren’t invited into the BIG10 or SEC.
Like I stated, if we can truly remain independent, be able to schedule properly, and sign a TV deal that is inline with other top programs, I’m all for it. If not, I believe Big 10 is our best option.
Screwed as in scheduling ND to play Ohio St. and Michigan back to back. Screwed as in scheduling ND's bye weeks between Rutgers and Northwestern. Screwed as in scheduling bye weeks for Michigan and Ohio St. before they play ND. It's really not hard to conceive.
A new TV deal that nets us within $15-20M of the Big Ten teams, and an intact ACC will keep us Independent for the time being. Neither are assured.
Jack Swarbick is on the record that Notre Dame does not want to play football full time in the Big 10.
Thank God.
I agree with your sentiment; and yes, Jack has made it clear he WANTS ND to remain independent. He’s also made it clear that there are forces that might cause ND to join a conference. To repeat:
“The three things that would make continuing as an independent unsustainable would be the loss of a committed broadcast partner, the loss of a fair route into the postseason, or such an adverse financial consequence that you had to reconsider,” per Jack!
Your opinion is that the Big10 would invite us to join, just to screw us every year?
We would be one of the highest revenue generating programs for the conference. If anything, they should want us to be good, and have a chance to make the playoffs and/or BIG10 title game, it would only benefit the conference.
Not interested in being aligned with Michigan and being no different than Northwestern, Illinois, Indiana, or Purdue.
Again. Hell to the No.
Yup. The Big 10 would like nothing better than to put ND in its place and show ND that we are not as good as we think we are. The Big 10 will screw us every chance they get.
The Big 10 will make money off the championship game whether ND is in it or not. Michigan and Ohio St. run the Big 10 and they will make life miserable for ND.
Interesting take. It sounds a little conspiracy-ish to me personally, but I respect the opinion.
Agree with your point on OSU, but Michigan is new to running the Big 10. The past 2 seasons were the first two times they’ve ever played in their conference title games.
When I refer to Michigan and OSU running the Big 10, I mean off the field, not on the field.
I'll take five games in the ACC over nine games in the Big Ten.
To be fair, I agree with you, but if I had to pick a conference to play in it would still be the Big Ten. I'm not interested in being no different than Boston College, Duke or Syracuse either.
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The history of the ND hockey team to the Big is not as simple as you posted. The current big 10 teams were in the WCHA or CCHA prior to the formation of a Big10 only conference, and ND played them as far back as the 60’s.
Of course the ACC and The BE didn’t have hockey.
In 2011-2012, the Big10 wanted ND to join in all sports and ND said no. The hockey team was a better fit than all other sports as ND played Mich, MSU, Minn on a regular basis already. But the Big tried to strong arm them to move as a full member.
So ND wins the last CCHA championship then goes to Hockey East and makes the NCAA tourney 2 of next e years. Meanwhile the Big is not getting the love they thought they would as far as hockey …so they reached out again and invited as only hockey members ….which makes sense with all the great hockey in Mich, Minn, Ohio and Illinois
When you stop repeating your “44-6” and “just beat Marshall and Stanford at home” posts, we will stop making political comments
I've read your stuff for a long time. Typically you keep it to football and other sports related topics. I was really surprised reading your political comments.
I am over it. Why grown ass adults feel the need to pontificate about politics to other adults in this Notre Dame Football Forum is a bit confusing.
Why grown ass adults complain about what other grown ass adults are talking about is very confusing. If you dont want to read about it, move along. Why would a grown ass adult cry about it
9/11 and the world being flat are not in the same galaxy of discussion. I question your intelligence by linking them together.
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