Notre Dame calls on Congress to save college sports.
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No, it appears you do not understand. Do you really want to cut scholarships of non-revenue sports so that there will be enough money to pay football players? Is that a serious proposal? And the reason that Ohio State has 36 teams on scholarship is because of the money generated by football. That isn't a luxury. And the Buckeyes' AD is a domer.
And don't forget about Title IX. If you pay football players, which women athletes get paid? And how much? Less?
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As I understand it, the employer or their insurance is on the hook for life due to a workplace injury. Not something the Us want into.
And you swallowed it whole. Do you actually think the ones operating at a 'loss' are that different from the ones who break even? Did you believe some schools just have another $40 million in expenses unique to their campus?I suggest you re-read my comment, it's not just Rutgers, over 90% of FBS schools athletic departments are running at a loss. If you want me to prove it, I suggest you educate yourself and read some articles on the subject before you spew drivel.
A direct quote from this article.
"Only 28 of these intercollegiate athletic programs generated more revenues than expenses in 2021-22 and 98.6 percent had operating losses covered by institutions using tuition and mandatory activity fee dollars generated from all students."
Higher Education Leaders Are Asleep At The Wheel
Not surprising, the highest paid college coaches and administrators are supporting paying athletes as employees.www.forbes.com
I understand. You do not.
Do I "want" to cut non-profit sports &/or scholarships? Not particularly; but I would if that is what it takes to balance the athletic department's budget. That is the job of an AD. To have a balanced athletic department budget. If the AD can't get people to donate enough money to keep the crew teams paid for, then it may be time to ditch crew. That is what a serious adult would do.
I am not forgetting title IX. The women athletes who bring in money (probably just the basketball team at ND) would get paid. They would get paid the same percentage that the men's football team brings in. So if the women's basketball team makes a profit of $1.5 million, they would get $250K in total in pay.
Do any other forum readers agree with Ivan’s strategy? Cut non-revenue sports or drop them down to club level so that more money is available to pay football players. Pay chump change to women’s basketball while men’s hoops players get ten times as much. Do you think that would that pass muster with Title IX?
There really is nothing to say to someone so fixated on the almighty dollar that nothing else matters
One challenge is that scholarships and per diems for expenses are generally not taxable income, but there is no tax exempt status for payment for services. Nor is there an available status other than employee (I.e., these are not independent contractors). Another challenge is the equal treatment requirements for a program under Title IX. That is why ND wrote the letter and why Sankey travels to DC regularly to meet with Congress. There is no plan and unless the power brokers develop one, it is going to be a rough ride. On the other hand, this giant reset (if it happens) might somehow add some equity and certainty.
I hope you are right but anything that has the Federal Government involved...
They are already in the process of destroying womens sports by letting transgenders compete
No. I don't see what that would solve.
We could use Congress to wrest control of the sport away from big conference and their media masters and back to the sport.
Oh, come on. Fox and the Big Ten is somehow different that NBC and ND? Explain that to me.
No, even the programs showing a profit, those profits are slim. l'm not for pay for play, but I believe something needs to be done to fix the current situation.
The clowns on here that believe money is just flowing and all the programs are lush with cash are lacking rudimentary accounting skills. They don't understand there are expenses involved, and investments being made. Most programs don't have a strong alumnus with deep pockets like ND, Texas, Michigan, etc. where they can simply collect donations to pay for facilities improvements, and other projects. Most programs are forced to take out loans for those projects, and as there revenue increases, there expenditures increase in an effort to keep up with the other programs.
Seriously? a network that contracted with one school and never created or destroyed a conference?
That's the best example of the creative accounting and unnecessary expenses. A U can choose to build a new opulent stadium, or not. And they can put that in the athletic budget, or not.
That comment did not respond to my question. After the recent new round of TV contracts, Swarbrick openly campaigned for NBC to pay ND the same as the schools in the SEC and Big Ten. The SEC and Big Ten negotiated the best deal they could get, then ND did the same with NBC. So explain how those two conferences are groveling to their “media masters” and ND is not.
ESPN holds a grant of rights over the ACC (that is voidable starting in 2027 by ESPN only) that can and probably will destroy the ACC. That means ESPN probably controls the fate of the ACC and has substantial leverage over the conferences that might receive teams from that conference. FOX and ESPN just had a major impact on the implosion is the PAC 12--through pro rata expansion clauses that encouraged raiding. You can quibble about whether that makes them "media masters" but it's just rhetorical dancing around--because yes, the networks have taken on a major role in the direction of the sport.
That is complete horse feces. All of the major carriers, including NBC, bid on the TV contracts for the Big Ten and SEC. Both CBS and NBC had exactly the same pro rata expansion clauses in their contracts as Fox and ESPN.
The Pac-12 imploded because the Pac-12 Network was a train wreck from Day One and Commish George Kliavkoff could not get a TV contract with the major networks that paid out per school even half what the Big Ten and SEC settled for. That's why USC and UCLA bolted.
I agree that Larry Scott disemboweled the Pac-12 Network. He did not understand that a conference network needs a sugar daddy like Fox or ESPN. But Georgy-Boy the Pac-12 Conference TV deal with the networks.
Georgy-Boy was told by the PAC 12 Presidents to reject ESPN’s 30 million per team offer in 2022.
So Georgy Boy did what he was told to do. Reject the offer.
The PAC 12 presidents were just as culpable.
That is true. See link below. However we agree that the demise of the Pac-12 was not due to pro rata expansion clauses in the Big Ten and SEC contracts that encouraged raiding.
https://www.on3.com/news/pac-12-pre...ded-talks-deal-negotiations-george-kliavkoff/
There are, of course, many reasons why the PAC 12 failed. There was institutional hubris, and poor leadership, and bad timing. But ESPN cut a deal with the BIG 12 that encouraged it to pick at the PAC 12 with a pro rata clause (adding an additional equal cut to any pirated power 5 school) and then shortly thereafter did not really negotiate with the PAC 12 (why should it when it could sit back and get PAC 12 schools at the Big 12 price). It was smart, sharp, business. But if you don't think the networks (ESPN in particular) hold huge sway over the conferences, and they have a hand in the development of the Power 2, you are wrong. You seem to want to say NBC and by extension Notre Dame are part of the same destructive cycle and operate the same way. No fan of NBC here but while NBC may be playing checkers, ESPN is playing Star Trek level chess, and it bears some direct responsibility for the condition of the ACC and the demise of the PAC 12.
The PAC tried to keep control of their product away from the big networks. The conference owned more than 50% of the PAC Network, something no other conference network did. That irritated ESPN/FOX who did not want that model to succeed. It didn't work because the PAC was not popular enough to get their network carried and broadcast.
Suffice to say, ESPN/FOX who took over college football were quite happy to break up the PAC and pay discount rates 10 of the 12 schools.
Reread the thread. Government oversight is preferable to allowing two big media companies to run the sport. NBC is not one of the two companies that are a problem.
Your comment is nonsense. NBC is right in the thick of it with the other networks.
"The conference just went through its first football season of the new seven-year television deal with the conference football games divided between FOX, CBS, NBC, Big Ten Network, Fox Sports 1 and the Peacock streaming service."
Big Ten Media Notes: Projecting the TV networks’ selection draft for 2024
We take a week-by-week look at the best games on the Big Ten football schedule for 2024.
247sports.com
Deion Saunders had some interesting viewpoints on the state of college football
Amongst other things, he said that when players are making more than the coaches it doesn’t bode well for the game.
very interesting interview
Amongst other things, he said that when players are making more than the coaches it doesn’t bode well for the game.
very interesting interview
Complete first three weeks of Big Ten schedule on NBC and Peacock:
Week 1 – August 31:
Fresno State at Michigan (7:30p EST, Peacock)
Week 2 – September 7:
Rhode Island at Minnesota (Noon, Peacock)
Northern Illinois at Notre Dame (3:30p, NBC)
Colorado at Nebraska (7:30p, NBC)
Boise State at Oregon (10p, Peacock)
Week 3 – September 14:
Central Michigan at Illinois (Noon, Peacock)
Washington State at Washington at Lumen Field (3:30p, Peacock)
Indiana at UCLA (7:30p, NBC)
Week 1 – August 31:
Fresno State at Michigan (7:30p EST, Peacock)
Week 2 – September 7:
Rhode Island at Minnesota (Noon, Peacock)
Northern Illinois at Notre Dame (3:30p, NBC)
Colorado at Nebraska (7:30p, NBC)
Boise State at Oregon (10p, Peacock)
Week 3 – September 14:
Central Michigan at Illinois (Noon, Peacock)
Washington State at Washington at Lumen Field (3:30p, Peacock)
Indiana at UCLA (7:30p, NBC)
Try reading the posts. Or if you won't, name one conference destroyed by NBC.Your comment is nonsense. NBC is right in the thick of it with the other networks.
"The conference just went through its first football season of the new seven-year television deal with the conference football games divided between FOX, CBS, NBC, Big Ten Network, Fox Sports 1 and the Peacock streaming service."
Big Ten Media Notes: Projecting the TV networks’ selection draft for 2024
We take a week-by-week look at the best games on the Big Ten football schedule for 2024.
It is football where the players make more money than the coaches. And Patirish thinks the players making more will kill college football. Even though we have seen that is not the case in the NFL.
Quixote likes to fight with windmills. No matter what you say he imagines you saying "NBC does not cover college footfall" draws his sword and proves that the Rhode Island/Minnesota game is indeed on Peacock.
The person who intentionally distorted the conversation is you. If you scroll up and read the actual comment, I was clearly responding to "Government oversight is preferable to allowing two big media companies to run the sport. NBC is not one of the two companies that are a problem." But you childishly insist that I was replying to "NBC does not cover college footfall."
Now that you have found the quote and have an estimate of NBC's place in the college football media landscape; are you going to offer a different answer?
I really don’t understand why you think that NBC isn’t culpable. NBC will be showing a good deal more Big Ten football than ND football this year. Their original plan was a “Big Ten on Saturday Night” broadcast similar their “NFL on Sunday Night”.
Beginning in 2024, Fox, CBS and NBC are splitting up Big Ten football in approximate equal thirds. It isn’t quite equal because Fox has first dibbs and a couple of extra picks but the big money that expanded the Big Ten and, in your opinion, imploded the Pac-12 comes pretty much equally from Fox, CBS and NBC.
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