Know means NO for Malik

[deadirishpoet]

Players win games not coaches. Coaches can lose games but never win them, If you coached a day in your life, you might understand that, but since your knowledge of football is so limited you do not. The QB in Tallahassee is no one I care to discuss, I was comparing and contrasting Malik Zaire to the other guy who started at ND last year.

David Shaw is not worth discussing to me and I think the Stanford Offense is nothing but "Recruit Repellent". Andrew Luck's greatness is the reason that program hit a purple patch for a few years. As far as Brian Kelly having a losing record versus Stanford, so what? He was rebuilding the program. Charlie Weis was 4-1 Stanford and 2-1 versus Harbaugh. You want him back? I didn't think so.

How do I know Malik Zaire will fare better verses Venables?. Because I have never seen Malik Zaire meltdown to the point he had to be pulled out of football a game. Smaller sample size maybe but he faced top level athletes in his 3 games. USC, LSU and Texas. He is calm, the ball comes out on time, he is decisive and he takes coaching without appearing to have a nervous breakdown on the sideline,

The ol' still building a program shtick. You're sounding like Obama. Going into the SIXTH season that excuse has ran its course.

So coaches don't win games? They do contribute though in development where up til this season has been little in regards to QB development and special teams.

Coach Weis did a ton of things wrong, but developing QBs wasn't one of them. How can a coach with Kelly's pedigree be having so much difficult is curious bont you think?

I've seen excuses well.." it's hard to get the right guy" ........with 3/4 of the countries HS playing one form of the spread, and the ND brand I find that hard to believe.


Now in regards to being a coach? No I have never coached but my father did for 15 yrs, so it's not as if I don't understand the workings of it. You do not need to be a coach the past seasons to see ND has been lacking and since this is not a coaches only message board you will excuse me, though it would be wonderful to see you interact with coach Shaw, and explain to him how much of a "nothing" he is!

 

[deadirishpoet]

Congrats you took my bait -- bravo
lowest common denominator

Dito

 

[Epictitus]

Bowden never cheated? Oh yes, Deion says he never entered a classroom at FSU and Bowden ran a totally corrupt program while defending rapists who stole football presents (yes, read the link provided, apparently Mo1e can't read) what was posted. My God, people calling Mo1e "dense" are really giving him a lot of room. He is far more than just dense!!!!

 

[no1e]

Bowden never cheated? Oh yes, Deion says he never entered a classroom at FSU and Bowden ran a totally corrupt program while defending rapists who stole football presents (yes, read the link provided, apparently Mo1e can't read) what was posted. My God, people calling Mo1e "dense" are really giving him a lot of room. He is far more than just dense!!!!

You're an idiot. Quit making stuff up.

 

[deadirishpoet]

You're an idiot. Quit making stuff up.

nole

Don't take the bait, but even FSU fans know something was going on when the head coach is summoned to court.

Don't fall into the name calling. There is by far too much of that going on. The sudden criticism of Golson from those who were his supporters is head spinning.

I personally thought he was the guy, but QB # 4 couldn't develop what coach Kelly is trying to get done offensively.

Just try to stay on topic.

 

[Cheesebiz]

Woahhh......Did I just read that right coming from the big Cheese? Please tell me that you did not just say that TS (Texas State) is better than the likes of GT (referring to Georgia Tech)!?!? I'm not one to heckle much but that's flat out ignorance. ....and simply there's no excuse for that. Some people just can't help themselves I don't suppose. Heck saying that Texas State is better than Navy, Temple and Pitt is a mouthful in itself......but Georgia Tech!?! Let's not be ridiculous

I meant in recruiting class ranking. Sorry if I was not clear on that. GT is a very strong football team. One of the best either of us will see this year.

 

[floridairish]

"I've seen excuses well.." it's hard to get the right guy" ........with 3/4 of the countries HS playing one form of the spread, and the ND brand I find that hard to believe."

That statement alone shows how utterly clueless you truly are about football, you should be honored I waste my time slapping you around.

Hey DIP wad Brian Kelly is 46-19 at this point in his career. Lou Holtz at this same juncture was 47-14. He has rebuilt the program and is winning 9 games per year. Charlie Weis developed QB's? So what? What was his record over his last 3 years with Jimmy Clausen?

Oh that's right he was a sterling 13-21. Scoreboard genius. Brian Kelly has rebuilt the program and is winning games at clip not seen @ ND since Lou Holtz was walking the sidelines. And now he has his best and deepest team to date. You getting tired of me shoving facts down your throat or do you want so more child?

 

[continually35forever]

Fl Irish -

Throw in five games we lost last yr due to injuries and Golson pissing the ball all over the lot and Kelly is 51-14

Under Weis we had Tate Floyd Rudolph Clausen and got smoked by a winless SYR Squad and crossed the 50 yd line once in the first half vs 1-10 Duke team .

 

[continually35forever]

Fl Irish -

Throw in five games we lost last yr due to injuries and Golson pissing the ball all over the lot and Kelly is 51-14

Under Weis we had Tate Floyd Rudolph Clausen and got smoked by a winless SYR Squad and crossed the 50 yd line once in the first half vs 1-10 Duke team .

BTW if anyone is seriously trying to draw comparisons between Weis and Kelly they are either

• simpletons
• delusional
• just trying to f w you

 

[deadirishpoet]

"I've seen excuses well.." it's hard to get the right guy" ........with 3/4 of the countries HS playing one form of the spread, and the ND brand I find that hard to believe."

That statement alone shows how utterly clueless you truly are about football, you should be honored I waste my time slapping you around.

Hey DIP wad Brian Kelly is 46-19 at this point in his career. Lou Holtz at this same juncture was 47-14. He has rebuilt the program and is winning 9 games per year. Charlie Weis developed QB's? So what? What was his record over his last 3 years with Jimmy Clausen?

Oh that's right he was a sterling 13-21. Scoreboard genius. Brian Kelly has rebuilt the program and is winning games at clip not seen @ ND since Lou Holtz was walking the sidelines. And now he has his best and deepest team to date. You getting tired of me shoving facts down your throat or do you want so more child?

"That statement alone shows how utterly clueless you truly are about football, you should be honored I waste my time slapping you around."

This coming from someone who said coach Shaw was "a nothing". You do me no honor spouting your ignorance.

Do you really want to compare Coach Holtz's record with coach Kellys?
Aside from the numbers how many top 10 finishes does coach Kelly have in that time span. Please bring me your facts and I will wash off the mud you smear on them, and put that egg back in your face. Where is coach Kelly's NC???? Hell where are his major Bowl wins???? That comparison alone disqualifies you as any kind of expertise in college football. Add on the coach Shaw comments and you look foolish!

What is funny is you believing it's the QB's whom he recruited not being teachable, or not having the skills till MZ came along.

Saban who is not an offensive genius get the QB's he recruits to work in his system. Coach Meyer who is an offensive genius can get a freak'en third string QB win the conference title and the NATIONAL TITLE!!!!!
Where's coach Kelly's offensive pedigree shown on the field while at ND (ever)?

 

[deadirishpoet]

Fl Irish -

Throw in five games we lost last yr due to injuries and Golson pissing the ball all over the lot and Kelly is 51-14

Under Weis we had Tate Floyd Rudolph Clausen and got smoked by a winless SYR Squad and crossed the 50 yd line once in the first half vs 1-10 Duke team .

There's no doubt coach Weis couldn't get a DC to save his life, it's a good thing coach Kelly had coach Diaco's defense in 2012 or he would be on another teams sideline now. 5 seasons of 8 - 5 , or 9 - 4 will not keep you coach ND

 

[HillRock86]

Hey DIP don't waste your time on floridairish. He's another one of these guys who talks a good game about football and puts others down. I want to know floridairish that if you are or were a football coach, where did you coach or where are you coaching, what's your career record, how many players have you sent on to play Div. I football, etc. Lay out your credentials. You say Coach Shaw is a nothing, but unless you're Meyer or Saban or Patterson or some other Div. I college coach with a better record than Shaw who is masquerading on this board putting down other posters, you have no credibility. So put up or shut up.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Hey DIP don't waste your time on floridairish. He's another one of these guys who talks a good game about football and puts others down. I want to know floridairish that if you are or were a football coach, where did you coach or where are you coaching, what's your career record, how many players have you sent on to play Div. I football, etc. Lay out your credentials. You say Coach Shaw is a nothing, but unless you're Meyer or Saban or Patterson or some other Div. I college coach with a better record than Shaw who is masquerading on this board putting down other posters, you have no credibility. So put up or shut up.

Hilluock,

From what I understand florida is an accomplished HS HC who from time to time makes some excellent points which get lost in the manor in which he attacks opposing points of view.
This cats (next to continual is the rudest on the board). I understand taking hard lines, hell I was in the USMC for 25 yrs

He put's coach Kelly's accomplishments at ND in the same breath as coach Holtz's.

The coach Shaw comment are way out of bounds considering the restrictions Stanford puts into place in order to come there, Combined that with the comments he's made about coach Patterson's accomplishments makes me wonder if he even has a clue. I mean outside of 2012 ND is an avg. 8 - 4 team. Coach Kelly definitely dose many good thing such as putting good assistants in play and has move the Irish un the right direction, but not to where anyone can be critical of opposing programs.

Someone that cocky should be coaching in D1 by now don't you think?