ADVERTISEMENT

How many teams right now would be favored over Notre Dame on a neutral field?

notredamerises23

ND Expert
Sep 3, 2011
1,413
819
113
I’m thinking at most four teams or maybe five. We would be slight favorites over four or five other teams. Despite what happened at Louisville, this is clearly a top 8 or better type of team despite some of the recent offensive struggles.
 
  • Like
Reactions: tbonesays
I’m thinking at most four teams or maybe five. We would be slight favorites over four or five other teams. Despite what happened at Louisville, this is clearly a top 8 or better type of team despite some of the recent offensive struggles.
This is exactly what a system like F+ is built to answer.

ND is ranked 12th in that system. So 11 teams would be favored over ND on a neutral field as of 10-24-23
 
Last edited:
  • Haha
Reactions: Golson5
LSU
Penn State
Florida State
Texas
OU
Washington
Alabama
Oregon
Georgia
Ohio State
Michigan

We make more money than all of them except like 3 of them yet we are behind 11 of them at least most years. Makes no sense. Gotta get better. Way better, especially when you consider how far ahead the top several programs are.
 
I’m thinking at most four teams or maybe five. We would be slight favorites over four or five other teams. Despite what happened at Louisville, this is clearly a top 8 or better type of team despite some of the recent offensive struggles.
Top 10 AP/Coaches Poll
 
LSU
Penn State
Florida State
Texas
OU
Washington
Alabama
Oregon
Georgia
Ohio State
Michigan

We make more money than all of them except like 3 of them yet we are behind 11 of them at least most years. Makes no sense. Gotta get better. Way better, especially when you consider how far ahead the top several programs are.
Lsu and Oklahoma.... lol

Nah
 
I dont think so on Texas and Alabama. That would be pick em type. 1 point either way
I can not imagine Las Vegas installing Notre Dame as a favorite over Alabama or Texas.

Notre Dame would struggle to score against Alabama.
 
I can not imagine Las Vegas installing Notre Dame as a favorite over Alabama or Texas.

Notre Dame would struggle to score against Alabama.
Alabama would struggle to score against us. We have one of the best defenses in the country
 
  • Like
Reactions: IrishMike409
We are definitely trending in the right direction. The hot teams right now appear to be us, Georgia, Oregon (almost beat Washington), Washington, Florida State and Michigan. Sooners blew it today. Texas is a dark horse.
 
Last edited:
LSU
Penn State
Florida State
Texas
OU
Washington
Alabama
Oregon
Georgia
Ohio State
Michigan

We make more money than all of them except like 3 of them yet we are behind 11 of them at least most years. Makes no sense. Gotta get better. Way better, especially when you consider how far ahead the top several programs are.

Sagarin has ND as a pick'em with Washington, but has Kansas State as a .5 point favorite over the Irish.
 
We are definitely trending in the right direction. The hot teams right now appear to be us, Georgia, Oregon (almost beat Washington), Wahington, Florida State and Michigan
I think we've had +8 in turnovers the last few weeks. It isn't like we are dominating teams from lining up against them and just running them over. We are benefiting from a ton of turnovers the last two weeks. Turnovers are volatile events in a game that you can't rely on happening going forward, especially when you have no pass rush.

ND is the team ND has been for a decade now. Ranked somewhere between 10-15th.
 
I think we've had +8 in turnovers the last few weeks. It isn't like we are dominating teams from lining up against them and just running them over. We are benefiting from a ton of turnovers the last two weeks. Turnovers are volatile events in a game that you can't rely on happening going forward, especially when you have no pass rush.

ND is the team ND has been for a decade now. Ranked somewhere between 10-15th.
Clueless
 
  • Like
Reactions: bizzybecknd
Other than being stuck with chaseball in this thread, good discussion.
 
Last edited:
  • Haha
Reactions: christophero
Well the current top 5 would be favored. I think if you’re giving an honest assessment, you would say ND has a really good team. Probably top 10. But they need to win out including the bowl game. They aren’t quite there. They still have a few missing pieces to get. One of them being an elite QB. The defense has been very good all year. They have had a few bad spots but as a whole , very good. I think we have to be patient with MF. He’s still learning the nuances and is going to make mistakes. But if he is recruiting at a high level, then eventually I believe he will get them where they want to go.
 
Top 10 AP/Coaches Poll
PSU wouldn‘t be favored over ND.
Alabama wouldn‘t be either.
Oklahoma wouldn‘t be.
Texas wouldn‘t be.

UGa by maybe 6-7. Maybe.
UM by 6-7
UO by 6-7 (unlucky to lose to UW as they were better than UW on the road for most of the game)
UW maybe 4 or 5
FSU by 3
OSU by maybe 3.

I don’t think any other team would be.
 
But isn't forcing turnovers the sign of a good team?
Turnovers, special teams, and penalties have a big impact on a game but have really low levels of correlation from season to season or week to week. This means that if your team is on the right side of a ton of turnover, penalty, and special teams luck, you can produce big point differentials, upset way better teams, and/or win games you might not have won had you had not benefited from those events.

What you want to see is your team line up against really good teams, and then just dominate them on offense and defense without needing fluky turnovers, special teams TDs/blocks, or penalty luck. THIS is the best sign that you have a top contending team in the sport. And ND can't even dominate teams ranked way down in the 60s with any consistency.
 
Last edited:
Turnovers, special teams, and penalties have a big impact on a game but have really low levels of correlation from season to season or week to week. This means that if your team is on the right side of a ton of turnover, penalty, and special teams luck, you can produce big point differentials, upset way better teams, and/or win games you might not have won had you had not benefited from those events.

What you want to see is your team line up against really good teams, and then just dominate them on offense and defense without needing fluky turnovers, special teams TDs/blocks, or penalty luck. THIS is the best sign that you have a top contending team in the sport.
Good thing we've been dominating teams lately then lol

Absolutely obliterated the last 2 teams
 
LSU
Penn State
Florida State
Texas
OU
Washington
Alabama
Oregon
Georgia
Ohio State
Michigan

We make more money than all of them except like 3 of them yet we are behind 11 of them at least most years. Makes no sense. Gotta get better. Way better, especially when you consider how far ahead the top several programs are.
I'm gonna stop you at Penn State and say this ranking system sucks ass.
 
PSU wouldn‘t be favored over ND.
Alabama wouldn‘t be either.
Oklahoma wouldn‘t be.
Texas wouldn‘t be.

UGa by maybe 6-7. Maybe.
UM by 6-7
UO by 6-7 (unlucky to lose to UW as they were better than UW on the road for most of the game)
UW maybe 4 or 5
FSU by 3
OSU by maybe 3.

I don’t think any other team would be.
Alabama and Oklahoma absolutely would be.
 
Good thing we've been dominating teams lately then lol

Absolutely obliterated the last 2 teams
We've put up big point differential but have benefited from a massive turnover differential. This can't be relied upon to continue going forward. ND is what ND is a 9-3 program ranked in the mid teens.
 
We've put up big point differential but have benefited from a massive turnover differential. This can't be relied upon to continue going forward. ND is what ND is a 9-3 program ranked in the mid teens.
10 and 2 and will finish in the top 10

We outgained Pitt 535 to 255. Screw turnovers, that is dominant.

Your narrative isn't flying. The system sucks
 
10 and 2 and will finish in the top 10

We outgained Pitt 535 to 255. Screw turnovers, that is dominant.

Your narrative isn't flying. The system sucks
Until ND loses another game in another clunker down the stretch and you go MIA with your tail between your legs.
 
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT