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Hartman or Pyne?
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Ahh I see you didnt add the whole quote...
Excellent cherry pick but doesn't fly with me. I caught it
Nice try
When stats fit your story, use them.
Meanwhile, chastise others for using them.
Quoting IB stats comparing him to Hartman is simply lazy.
Dude, I'm just giving my opinion of the kid. What your trying to do I dont care.
I've seen him play, Ive watched his highlights. This is my opinion
I dont think hes that great. I dont think hes a NFL guy.
I never chastized others for using stats. I use stats as well. But having stats does not determine talent.
Sam Hartman has better college stats than Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes. Does that make him better
A lot of guys have put up stats.
How are you comparing Notre Dame wins/losses versus Wake Forest similar opponents? One ranks in the top 10 in recruiting, the other 50+.
2022 Blind Comparison
Player 1:
Yards: 3,421
TD: 35
INT: 11
QBR: 75.3
Player 2:
Yards: 2,021
TD: 22
INT: 6
QBR: 68.3
Cant you read... I literally said I use stats....
And if you can read, I said having stats doesnt determine who is more talented
No sorry can’t keep up with your 1k posts a day, must have missed one from the resident board expert
For sure it was. Book had a solid arm, just didnt attempt throws downfield as much. Hartman has an average arm
Show me a highlight where Hartman throws it 54 yards in the air. And Book didnt really load up or put everything into it
lol.. put Pyne on WF's team... 3-9!!!!! and I like Pyne! DP newest low QBR 3! get real!
“I can only use stats but they’re meaningless when y’all use them ”. Did you pull up the top 10 NFL passing yards/TDs yet? Feel free to post em here like you did college.
Well Hartman has a lot more starts under his belt. Great completion %, great td to int ratio and I’d like to see the stats of batted balls. I’ll bet not near the amount of Pyne. Pyne was also inconsistent. Looked good in some moments, horrible in others. Maybe that goes away with more experience?? And that’s what Hartman has a lot more of
I think most here are looking to get a Caleb but there aren’t any out there like him in the ncaa let alone the portal
I’ll take Hartman over pyne any day
Where Notre Dame QB Drew Pyne ranks in batted passes in 2022
Notre Dame quarterback Drew Pyne has had an issue with batted passes in 2022. Here's a statistic that shows how bad it has been.
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Player 1 is in his 4th year as a starter.
Player 2 is in his 1st year as a starter.
The comparison is not apples to apples.
Also, according to you, every player at ND is vastly superior to the WF players. Except QB.
Isn't the comparison we should be talking about Hartman vs. Buchner? Pyne is gone now.
I watched Hartman's bowl game vs. Missouri. He can play, but if I am being honest about it there weren't too many plays he made last night that made me go "wow." I think he makes good decisions and throws a good, not great ball. He was reasonably accurate throwing the ball into tight spots. He doesn't get happy feet in the pocket like Book frequently did, but he isn't as athletic as Ian. But he is certainly more athletic than Pyne. Buchner is way more athletic, but as we saw in a small sample size this year with Tyler, his passing needs some work.
If I am Tyler Buchner and have any confidence in my abilities, after watching last night's game I am feeling that I can beat Hartman out. But I think Hartman is an upgrade over Pyne. Maybe Tommy Rees sees something in Hartman that makes him think he will be able to mold him into a championship level QB. That was the first time I have seen Hartman play, so I don't want to put too much stock (bad or good) into what I saw.
Here is an analysis of Hartman from a website that looks at a player's NFL prospects. If Hartman were to come out (which apparently he will not) they have Hartman as the #19 rated QB. Interestingly enough, he is ranked one spot below Phil Jurkovec. Hartman gets reasonably good marks on all phases of his passing game (short, medium and long) but he does not get a high mark on his mobility.
www.nfldraftbuzz.com
This same website has Michael Mayer as the #8 overall NFL prospect and Isaiah Foskey at #21.
I watched Hartman's bowl game vs. Missouri. He can play, but if I am being honest about it there weren't too many plays he made last night that made me go "wow." I think he makes good decisions and throws a good, not great ball. He was reasonably accurate throwing the ball into tight spots. He doesn't get happy feet in the pocket like Book frequently did, but he isn't as athletic as Ian. But he is certainly more athletic than Pyne. Buchner is way more athletic, but as we saw in a small sample size this year with Tyler, his passing needs some work.
If I am Tyler Buchner and have any confidence in my abilities, after watching last night's game I am feeling that I can beat Hartman out. But I think Hartman is an upgrade over Pyne. Maybe Tommy Rees sees something in Hartman that makes him think he will be able to mold him into a championship level QB. That was the first time I have seen Hartman play, so I don't want to put too much stock (bad or good) into what I saw.
Here is an analysis of Hartman from a website that looks at a player's NFL prospects. If Hartman were to come out (which apparently he will not) they have Hartman as the #19 rated QB. Interestingly enough, he is ranked one spot below Phil Jurkovec. Hartman gets reasonably good marks on all phases of his passing game (short, medium and long) but he does not get a high mark on his mobility.
Sam Hartman Quarterback Wake Forest | NFL Draft Profile & Scouting Report
Rating: 81.0 Rank: #19 Forty: 4.85 Has impressed in early action. Against Clemson, this was particularly apparent where he put up 337 yds and 6 TDs. If he keeps it up - he will be looked a...
This same website has Michael Mayer as the #8 overall NFL prospect and Isaiah Foskey at #21.
Comparing college stats where there are 130 teams and a huge discrepency in talent and schedules to nfl stats where there are 32 teams and talent is about equal is one of the dumbest things I've read on here.
That's pathetic
He didn't make 5 throws like that. But he had the arm for it. He just didn't use it. He was gun shy to make the throw.
My point was that he had a stronger arm not that he used it to make the throw
Lets also take into account, that this throw was against Navy who has never been a dominant defensive team since I've been alive. I'm only 40 though.
Thats not the point
The only point was about arm strength. Nothing more, nothing less.
Who your playing doesn't factor into that at all
With slow mesh Hartman almost never has ability to step into throws, but if you watch highlights of him he makes throws book couldn’t even from slow mesh … he drops a lot of 45 yard passes off his back foot
He really puts a lot into his throws when he throws 40 yards. Sometimes runs into his throws.
I haven't seen one highlight of his where he threw the ball 50 yards in air. Maybe I missed it
He's played 48 games and to not have a few 50 yards is crazy. But I may have missed them
crying about arm strength is just a excuse to exercise a pet hate agenda or frankly stupidity
Joe Montana probably had arm strength about the same as Hartman
But of course that is all that matters to someone that only wants an excuse to attack a player
Hartman is clearly a step up; maybe two; from Pyne and THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS
Morons whining about this need to show someone else we could get who is clearly better
By the way I doubt TB will push Hartman much at all
I saw a 52ish yarder in his 21 highlights… what I like is he doesn’t wait and hits his guys a lot of times 40-45 yards down the field nice soft and in stride
Definitely Hartman. Always good to have options. At worst we have an experienced back up, but I think he will start.
I like Buchner but besides great athleticism, he has not performed. I like Pyne but he is not really very good at any aspect of the job, I like the thought of Carr but he is a ways away and unproven, Sam Hartman is precisely what this team needs. He a very good QB, He has a good arm, good athleticism, and a fantastic command of his options--which we have not had for awhile. Great job by the staff. This triples our playoff chances IMHO.
Well apparently we're not going to find out for a while. Maybe not until after OUR bowl game is over with, not just WF's little bowl game....
Grow up
I dont hate him. I dont know him
I'm giving a football opinion about him
No shit hes better than Pyne. Who wouldnt be?
Was hoping we did better in the portal
Having someone a step up from Pyne is NOT ALL THAT MATTERS
Having a QB that can compete talent wise when we play elite competition is what matters
We're going to win 8, 9 games with Hartman because hes a good QB. But can we beat the top teams with him
Thats a legit debate which rational posters can disagree and debate on
Buchner has a great bowl game, no grad transfer comes in and Buchner gets hurt by game 3. Then Rees puts Angeli in over Minchey. Angeli is mid to worse than Pyne all season. That’s my prediction.
Clemsons D wasn’t dominant this year but still very good overall with some very good individual talents. Hartman absolutely diced them up the last two seasons
