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Fully expecting losses to Duke, SC (blowout) and Clemson. L’ville likely as well. “Best chance in years” lol

No, I can’t agree to that because there’s no attribution related to his not being “active In any coaching capacity”.

Death, disability or violation of a moral turpitude clause could prevent him from being “active” and that would have nothing to do with what may have happened on the field.


I feel your sense of frustration, I think we all do.

Had OSU won under different circumstances I think most would have a different perspective.

I was critical of his hire due to his lack of prior, successful HC experience.

I’ve been a big supporter of Swarbrick but think that he made the wrong decision by not going the interim coach route and of course I’m bitter at Kelly for the bind he put us in.

I‘m a longtime, pre 1957 Notre Dame fan.
I wore shirts with the ND logo on Friday, Saturday, Sunday and today.
Win or lose, I love ND.

And this loss is certainly painful and I’ll have to take a lot of abuse from friends who went to OSU.

But you have to “compartmentalize your life.


If you have your health and if you have your family, you have the great gifts that life offers.
If you’re comfortable, that’s the icing on the cake.

So yes, this hurts, but in terms of all of the bad things that can happen to you in life, this is insignificant.

Come with me and sit in the waiting room at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center and look at all of the patients surrounding us. You’ll see kids, 5, 10 and 15 years old, young women with breast cancer, middle aged patients with terminal cancer. Patients who won’t be there next week and next month.

it’s a very sobering experience.

One that makes you appreciate life and the life you have !

So while we’re extremely passionate and loyal fans of Notre Dame, you have to compartmentalize your life and not let ND’s adversities adversely impact your life !

i hope my words help you.
Life can be a BITCH. But if you can make it far enough, IT WILL TEACH YOU PERSPECTIVE.

There was a time I couldn't sleep after an ND loss. No more. A lost football game is less than a bump in the road.

GOOD STUFF!
 
Agree and not bc we aren’t better but bc there’s nothing to play for. It’s what happens when you don’t join a conference.
Give it up ND isn't going to join a conference in our lifetime nor should they.
 
Next year is going to a 12 team playoff. The point is moot
Anyone else think the whole idea of conferences is already on the way out the door and college football is just beginning the transition to some type of league system? It was ridiculous to have teams like Maryland and Rutgers in the Big 10 (sorry, I'm old), and it's even more ridiculous to have teams like USC in the Big 10, just as it is stupid to have Stanford in the ACC and Texas in the SEC.

I could see a weighted system, where maybe the top 20 teams would compete for a chance at a championship and lesser teams will compete at lower levels, but there would be an annual sorting, sort of like English soccer leagues.

Obviously, it's a money thing, but I bet there is someone out there who can figure out a way to get all these schools more money working in unison than they do working on their own.

I think the 12-team playoff may be the start of it.
 
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Anyone else think the whole idea of conferences is already on the way out the door and college football is just beginning the transition to some type of league system? It was ridiculous to have teams like Maryland and Rutgers in the Big 10 (sorry, I'm old), and it's even more ridiculous to have teams like USC in the Big 10, just as it is stupid to have Stanford in the ACC and Texas in the SEC.

I could see a weighted system, where maybe the top 20 teams would compete for a chance at a championship and lesser teams will compete at lower levels, but there would be an annual sorting, sort of like English soccer leagues.

Obviously, it's a money thing, but I bet there is someone out there who can figure out a way to get all these schools more money working in unison than they do working on their own.

I think the 12-team playoff may be the start of it.
I share your sentiments, logic, proposed fix and AGE.

The move towards FORMAL ELIMINATION PROCESSES to determine championships has been -- at all levels of sports -- INEXORABLE. College football is probably the one sport left with the most WIGGLE ROOM.

But I believe its day is coming as well.

And why not?

Besides -- having teams fly coast to coast to compete in ALL of their various sports is LUDICROUSLY expensive and goes against the grain of INCREASING PROFITS. You don't do that by MULTIPLYING COSTS just to accommodate the football programs. You work BOTH ends of the BUCK.

There's a better way than the current AD HOC/GRAB-BAG conference system that's RADICALLY REVISED every couple of years.

An overall league or layered series of leagues -- as you point out as with international football/soccer -- with REGIONAL CONFERENCES to preserve the HISTORIC RIVALRIES makes the most sense to me.

I hope those with some ACTUAL POWER to effect this kind of arrangment AGREE WITH ME.
 
really over analyzing this guys! it is a game! I checked and the price of gasoline still went up after Sat. night!
 
Life can be a BITCH. But if you can make it far enough, IT WILL TEACH YOU PERSPECTIVE.

There was a time I couldn't sleep after an ND loss. No more. A lost football game is less than a bump in the road.

GOOD STUFF!

I used to be that way about the Giants, especially in college and in my younger years. Live and die with every win and loss. But they stunk for so long that I was used to how bad they had gotten so it was easy to move on after a loss.
 
I catch your drift and I understand your APPREHENSION.

Two points:

DUKE LOOKS TO ME DANGEROUS.

I’m reminded of those feisty Purdue teams of the past which so often UPSET ND, especially when NO ONE SAW IT COMING. And they were almost ALL upsets by good Purdue teams that no one had considered in ND’s LEAGUE.

I’m also reminded of the Cincinnati team that beat ND two seasons ago. They had TALENT and SWAGGER. Duke has some of that. And some truly talented PLAYMAKERS.

Plus, they’re a RANKED TEAM. If they were UM or PSU in a somewhat off year or even MSU – there’d be MORE CONCERN from ND fans than I’m picking up.

But if ND isn’t psyched for this game or if it encounters too many penalties, turnovers or key injuries – OR IF THERE ARE ONE OR MORE SERIOUS COACHING BLUNDERS, now that we know it’s a staff THAT CAN MAKE THEM – Duke, as less than a TD underdog, could WIN.

My second point regards Freeman. Are he and his staff technically proficient enough to REGAIN MOMENTUM if it comes down to outcoaching guys like Elko, Brohm, Riley and Sweeney? ND’s LESSER COACHES, such as Brennan, Faust, Willingham and Weis, NEVER REGAINED momentum after hitting the wall in promising FAST-START SEASONS.

It didn’t get better but, instead -- whether gradually, consistently or even SUDDENLY – it got worse. Whereas ND’s superior coaches – largely because they were so TECHNICALLY PROFICIENT – regained MOMENTUM and succeeded over time.

Which type is Freeman? Do we even know?

That I feel I even have to POSE the question is what CONCERNS ME.
Despite the outcome there were more positive than negative from last weeks game and should be more than enough to build on
 
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I used to be that way about the Giants, especially in college and in my younger years. Live and die with every win and loss. But they stunk for so long that I was used to how bad they had gotten so it was easy to move on after a loss.
I feel that way too but, not as bad as the Redskins after Gibbs left
 
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The issue for ND and losing a game early in the season is that they really lose control of their fate. I hope i'm wrong, but I see ND getting clobbered by USC as their second loss of the year. I do not see them losing to Duke, but Clemson could very well beat them too.

I guess we will know what this team and coaching staff are made of this week. If they're hung over and struggle with Duke.. it could be a long season. If the staff has them ready to make a statement and say we aren't done yet, they pound Duke, I think we'll be alright.
 
The issue for ND and losing a game early in the season is that they really lose control of their fate. I hope i'm wrong, but I see ND getting clobbered by USC as their second loss of the year. I do not see them losing to Duke, but Clemson could very well beat them too.

I guess we will know what this team and coaching staff are made of this week. If they're hung over and struggle with Duke.. it could be a long season. If the staff has them ready to make a statement and say we aren't done yet, they pound Duke, I think we'll be alright.
I think Notre Dame's offense will be able to put points on SC's defense.
 
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I think Notre Dame's offense will be able to put points on SC's defense.
I do, too. Last year, we had our first drive stuffed and we had another drive end in a turnover. Otherwise we matched scores. I think the more balanced offense we have this year will be able to counter whatever USC's D tries. On the other side of the ball, we need to contain Williams, which, as anyone who saw last year's game will tell you, is easier said than done.
 
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USC may be a shootout. They will probably put up 30 plus points on us. Can we keep up is the question. If we can win the turnover and special teams battle that will give us a good shot.
 
How about Marc Dantonio, Justin Fuente, or Tom Herman? They were the flavors in 2016 when everyone and their mother wanted Brian Kelly fired.
Getting an experienced coach such as one of these (and others suggested) means you get a coach with a number of bad losses already in the book. Lets give MF the opportunity to at least reach their level..
 
So when the Irish win tomorrow i can expect your humility
Winning or losing tomorrow has nothing to do with your absurd statement that there was more positive than negative in losing to OSU.

The negative in losing that game far outweighed any positive !
 
Winning or losing tomorrow has nothing to do with your absurd statement that there was more positive than negative in losing to OSU.

The negative in losing that game far outweighed any positive !
So its obscure to see the positives in a lose?
Thank God you were not coach the teams I've played on in HS
 
It’s not obscure to see the positives but they don’t outweigh the negative of a loss !
They do when you looked liked yiu belonged as compared to other games. That feeling will remove the doubts when your back is up against the wall
 
They do when you looked liked yiu belonged as compared to other games. That feeling will remove the doubts when your back is up against the wall
Now you’ve changed the issue.

What other games ?

Their back was up against the wall and unfortunately on and off field decisions and execution lost that game, hence I don’t see all of the positives outweighing the negative of not only the loss, but how they lost.

While there were mistakes on the field, as there always are, the mistakes on the sideline were far more egregious, ergo what positives do you draw from the sideline mistakes ?

Like great golfers who made a bad decision or executed poorly, I’m hoping that amnesia has set in and that they play and coach a great game.

Go Irish ! ☘️
 
Now you’ve changed the issue.

What other games ?

Their back was up against the wall and unfortunately on and off field decisions and execution lost that game, hence I don’t see all of the positives outweighing the negative of not only the loss, but how they lost.

While there were mistakes on the field, as there always are, the mistakes on the sideline were far more egregious, ergo what positives do you draw from the sideline mistakes ?

Like great golfers who made a bad decision or executed poorly, I’m hoping that amnesia has set in and that they play and coach a great game.

Go Irish ! ☘️
Brother that's not changing anything.
The positive with h out weighted the loss was that were in the game, they knew the were controlling the game and some in fortune issues happen at the end of the game cost them the game.
I don't golf nor do I pay any attention to the game but I imagine its hard to compare an individual sport to a team sport.....to many moving parts but regardless I think we can agree that was last week and this is a new week and the Irish are not playing hungover
 
Brother that's not changing anything.
The positive with h out weighted the loss was that were in the game, they knew the were controlling the game and some in fortune issues happen at the end of the game cost them the game.
I don't golf nor do I pay any attention to the game but I imagine its hard to compare an individual sport to a team sport.....to many moving parts but regardless I think we can agree that was last week and this is a new week and the Irish are not playing hungover
Agree, there doesn’t seem to be a hangover, but sloppy play generating all those penalties and no running game are killing them

Another penalty # 7
 
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