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For those that complain about ND not being in a conference...

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I know being a super conference brings in a ton of money, but a lot of schools are going to be sorry for this. Kiffin told reporters that there are coaches amongst the SEC that would rather not go to the SEC championship game and just take the bye. Makes sense. Why bother playing the SEC championship Game, have less time to rest, and risk losing and be out of the playoffs entirely? Nobody cares about conference championships. This suggests to me ND is actually better off NOT being in a conference, especially since you can still host a home playoff game and the remaining games would be neutral site.
 
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I know being a super conference brings in a ton of money, but a lot of schools are going to be sorry for this. Kiffin told reporters that there are coaches amongst the SEC that would rather not go to the SEC championship game and just take the bye. Makes sense. Why bother playing the SEC championship Game, have less time to rest, and risk losing and be out of the playoffs entirely? Nobody cares about conference championships. This suggests to me ND is actually better off NOT being in a conference, especially since you can still host a home playoff game and the remaining games would be neutral site.
Losing the conference title is a case by case situation, or it should be. It shouldn’t be an automatic eliminator, but it should be considered depending on resumes. 10-3 Georgia should likely be in. 10-3 Ole Miss should likely be out (had they won today).

I haven’t really heard any other conference’s coaches crying about it — Franklin did at PSU I believe — which makes sense. Don’t lose to 4-6 Kentucky or 6-4 LSU and you won’t have that problem…and now 6-5 Florida. Ole Miss played a soft OOC schedule too.

You might be right about being independent. I would tell these SEC schools to go independent, but they won’t. They’ll continue to hide behind espn and get the benefit of the doubt (somewhat deservedly so).

However, it should also be pointed out that they’re only playing 8 conference games and they’re getting a massive benefit from that. Of course the SEC coaches are not going to point that out.
 
Losing the conference title is a case by case situation, or it should be. It shouldn’t be an automatic eliminator, but it should be considered depending on resumes. 10-3 Georgia should likely be in. 10-3 Ole Miss should likely be out (had they won today).

I haven’t really heard any other conference’s coaches crying about it — Franklin did at PSU I believe — which makes sense. Don’t lose to 4-6 Kentucky or 6-4 LSU and you won’t have that problem…and now 6-5 Florida. Ole Miss played a soft OOC schedule too.

You might be right about being independent. I would tell these SEC schools to go independent, but they won’t. They’ll continue to hide behind espn and get the benefit of the doubt (somewhat deservedly so).

However, it should also be pointed out that they’re only playing 8 conference games and they’re getting a massive benefit from that. Of course the SEC coaches are not going to point that out.
Yeah but even if a 10-3 team gets in. That means they almost certainly won't have a home playoff game and they will have missed out an opportunity to rest for a week. I think most coaches would rather just take the 8 seed and a week off.
 
Yeah but even if a 10-3 team gets in. That means they almost certainly won't have a home playoff game and they will have missed out an opportunity to rest for a week. I think most coaches would rather just take the 8 seed and a week off.
They still have a chance to get a bye. I personally don’t care about losing the home game. That’s a small price. I would say that’s their fault for losing two games if they get knocked out. Can they forfeit or let a lower team in? That would give that team the chance to get in then and the team that skips the title game might get bumped out. That’s their fault for joining a conference then. There may be other years where maybe 10-2 has them on the outside looking in so they have a chance to jump from out to a bye — unlikely in the SEC but possible. I just don’t have any sympathy for an SEC coach.

The thing is..everyone but ND is operating under the same conditions. SMU, Miami, and Clemson are risking getting knocked out. The Big 10 won’t have that problem this year but could in most years. Big 12 loser will probably get knocked out. They act like their conference is so special so it should be a tremendous honor to have a shot to win such a prestigious conference.
 
Supposedly the committee chairman, whoever that asshole is, said CCG losses will have no bearing on anything. And they have to do that, as much as the cynical committee scumbags want as much plausible latitude as they can arrogate to themselves, because it's just not tenable. Because there's no divisions anymore. The CCGs are now superfluous, they're unnecessary, counterproductive. But somebody has to play in them, they can't have a CCG without two opponents, and so they can't be effing over the loser of a senseless game like that, and say well you got three losses now, so you're out of the playoff. On account of a loss in a game that had no reason to exist in the first place. It would be too egregious, the committee would jeopardize their legitimacy.

But still, I don't think any coach trusts the committee, with good reason. So they'd just as soon not risk it, if they otherwise feel they are a lock for the field.
 
They still have a chance to get a bye. I personally don’t care about losing the home game. That’s a small price. I would say that’s their fault for losing two games if they get knocked out. Can they forfeit or let a lower team in? That would give that team the chance to get in then and the team that skips the title game might get bumped out. That’s their fault for joining a conference then. There may be other years where maybe 10-2 has them on the outside looking in so they have a chance to jump from out to a bye — unlikely in the SEC but possible. I just don’t have any sympathy for an SEC coach.

The thing is..everyone but ND is operating under the same conditions. SMU, Miami, and Clemson are risking getting knocked out. The Big 10 won’t have that problem this year but could in most years. Big 12 loser will probably get knocked out. They act like their conference is so special so it should be a tremendous honor to have a shot to win such a prestigious conference.
No argument there. But my point is, it's bad for the game when coaches are openly saying amongst each other that they'd rather not play in the conference championship game.

I know it wont' happen, but I want to go back to 10-12 team conferences, see the NCAA and conferences divide the money up evenly amongst schools (P5 schools get a even, but higher amount and G5 schools get an even, but lower amount than P5), one year sit out rule for transfers, regulation of NIL money, get rid of conference championship games, 12 game schedule, no more bowl games, and a 16 team playoffs. I think this would create a more equitable and competitively balanced playing field. One can dream, right?
 
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Supposedly the committee chairman, whoever that asshole is, said CCG losses will have no bearing on anything. And they have to do that, as much as the cynical committee scumbags want as much plausible latitude as they can arrogate to themselves, because it's just not tenable. Because there's no divisions anymore. The CCGs are now superfluous, they're unnecessary, counterproductive. But somebody has to play in them, they can't have a CCG without two opponents, and so they can't be effing over the loser of a senseless game like that, and say well you got three losses now, so you're out of the playoff. On account of a loss in a game that had no reason to exist in the first place. It would be too egregious, the committee would jeopardize their legitimacy.

But still, I don't think any coach trusts the committee, with good reason. So they'd just as soon not risk it, if they otherwise feel they are a lock for the field.
Lol. It is IMPOSSIBLE to not take conference championship game into consideration. Even if you never talk about it, amongst the committee, it will be playing a role in your decision. And rightfully so.

And if you really were to not take the conference championship game into consideration, then why have the game be played at all???
 
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No argument there. But my point is, it's bad for the game when coaches are openly saying amongst each other that they'd rather not play in the conference championship game.

I know it wont' happen, but I want to go back to 10-12 team conferences, see the NCAA and conferences divide the money up evenly amongst schools (P5 schools get a even, but higher amount and G5 schools get an even, but lower amount than P5), one year sit out rule for transfers, regulation of NIL money, get rid of conference championship games, 12 game schedule, no more bowl games, and a 16 team playoffs. I think this would create a more equitable and competitively balanced playing field. One can dream, right?
Sounds pretty good to me man. I’m in favor of one free transfer before graduation though. You’re right about it not being good for coaches to say that. Kiffin shouldn’t have done that. It also goes against the mantra “none of it matters if we don’t take care of business this Saturday”. Oops.

It’s a shame that the Big 12 and Pac 12 got destroyed. Football would be so much better.
 
Lol. It is IMPOSSIBLE to not take conference championship game into consideration. Even if you never talk about it, amongst the committee, it will be playing a role in your decision. And rightfully so.

And if you really were to not take the conference championship game into consideration, then why have the game be played at all???
I'm not following you. Other than your desire that CCG losers be punished, which is very discernible, and which I just got through saying ins't going to be the case, for the reasons I described. The CCGs themselves really have no legitimacy any longer, but they still want to have them. So the compromise is not to punish the loser of the game, and to ignore the result with respect to the accrued loss' affect on a given team's season-long resume submitted for perusal to the committee. That's what the effer said. So unless he didn't mean it, you can expect Tennessee to still get in, even if they lose to Texas or Georgia or whoever in the SECCG. If their record previous to the playing of the CCG was good enough to get in. But we'll never really know, because I don't think they make their deliberations public. We just see the final result.
 
I'm not following you. Other than your desire that CCG losers be punished, which is very discernible, and which I just got through saying ins't going to be the case, for the reasons I described. The CCGs themselves really have no legitimacy any longer, but they still want to have them. So the compromise is not to punish the loser of the game, and to ignore the result with respect to the accrued loss' affect on a given team's season-long resume submitted for perusal to the committee. That's what the effer said. So unless he didn't mean it, you can expect Tennessee to still get in, even if they lose to Texas or Georgia or whoever in the SECCG. If their record previous to the playing of the CCG was good enough to get in. But we'll never really know, because I don't think they make their deliberations public. We just see the final result.
Never said that was my desire. Just saying it is psychologically impossible to ignore the loss. Just like the committee couldn't ignore FSU QB going down and having that factor in the decision when it wasn't supposed to.
 
The BYEs go to the highest rated conference champions, therefore the CCG loser does not get a bye. Am I missing something here?

I don't care about gossip, no coach is going to choose a wild card whatever over a BYE.
 
I want ND to be in the Big 10 just because the schedule would be so much more interesting than it is now. Look at this years schedule. Just nothing to get it excited about
 
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