Exactly. By that logic There will be 10 medicore teams. 1 pretty good one, and 1 elite one at year's end.
Why does it seem like "hosting a playoff game" is the ultimate goal at ND these days?
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I think you're being unreasonably pedantic...so I'll fight fire with fire!
It's more accurate and stricter to say: ND aspires to host an opening playoff to enhance the odds of an aspirational NC!
There I fixed it for you.
And yeah, playing at home is statistically helpful. I believe ND hosting plays a significant factor vs strong teams. I think playing teams like Ole Miss is very different at South Bend vs their home.
How about if we change your name from chaseball to bamafan chase? That's who you really pull for.
They should change this sign to "Notre Dame Fighting Irish 12-team Playoff Seasons" and "Play Like A 12-team Playoff Team Today"
So they can cash in on these "playoff seasons" while winning 10+ games vs the garden variety schlep in the ACC & G5.
You are beyond a doubt the most ignorant poster who has ever posted on this board. And that is saying something. You are beyond help. You don't listen to anyone else. Your mind, or what passes for a mind, is intractable and incapable of making any sense. See those bricks on the hoto your attached? Those bricks are like trying to talk some sense into you.
Are you chase just posting under another handle? Listen: you can't win the championship unless you make the playoffs. And if you make the playoffs, wouldn't you prefer to play at home as opposed to on the road? It's really not that difficult to understand.
ND is a blue blood/old money. They are historically one of the best 8 programs in the history of the sport and have all of the built in advantages that come with being a blue blood. Their competition isn't the other 130 teams in college football -- but rather the other 7 blue bloods in their tier -- and they've been behind every single one of them (less Nebraska) for going on 30 years now.
Merely making the playoff IS mediocrity.
With NDs revenue/position in college football they should enjoy runs among the tier 1 at least a few times a decade but they've been completely out classed by tier 1 teams for going on 30 years now. And instead of fixing it, and investing in a tier 1 product to match theirs fans enthusiasm, they instead invest in heavy handed PR to control the message while letting the product wither away into endless mediocrity.
I dont know if im more frustrated with the lackluster product/results or their constant insulting of their fans intelligence.
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No, making the playoffs is not mediocre. The fact that you would say this shows how little you know about the game. But you have proved how little you know about a thousand times on this board. Just unbelievably stupid. Incredibly dumb.
If ND made the playoffs as a tier 1 team, as a favorite to do damage in the playoffs, as a program with a good chance to win the playoff, or at least be competitive very deep into the playoff, it would be different.
But they're getting into the playoff because of their name recognition and over inflated W-L record due to the poor competition on their schedule and then getting completely ran over by legit national title relevant teams.
Instead of being humbled and coming to terms with this and acknowledging the issues, and fixing the product, they instead come up with endless excuses and self righteous indignation about the state of college football, and then they proceed to piss on their fans and call it rain. And apparently ND fans just love it. "More urine please!"
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We are two wins from a one loss season and a shot at making a playoff run. This isn't 1990. That is a good season.
We're ranked 8th in F+ a slight improvement from the last 10 years of 10-15th ranked ad naseum results on aggregate.
We're still way too far away from the tier 1 quality of teams and would need nothing short of a miracle in order to take 4 games vs the teams we'll likely be facing in the playoff that are gatekeeping a national title trophy.
And fans aren't stupid. They see the writing on the wall and are already preparing themselves psychologically for the inevitable playoff pantsing that will be coming live on national TV.
"Things are great at ND Football! We hosted a home game in the 12 team playoff!"
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No one is dominating this team. Too much parity in cfb right now and our defense is too good for the team to get embarrassed. If we do lose, it will be competitiveWe're ranked 8th in F+ a slight improvement from the last 10 years of 10-15th ranked ad naseum results on aggregate.
We're still way too far away from the tier 1 quality of teams and would need nothing short of a miracle in order to take 4 games vs the teams we'll likely be facing in the playoff that are gatekeeping a national title trophy.
And fans aren't stupid. They see the writing on the wall and are already preparing themselves psychologically for the inevitable playoff pantsing that will be coming live on national TV.
"Things are great at ND Football! We hosted a home game in the 12 team playoff!"
Interesting. You know less than any other poster on this site. Yes, just think about the thousands of people who have posted here over the years. You are the least informed of all of them. There are not words in the English language to describe how profoundly dense you are. And yet, you, in your warped mind, seem to think that you know more than anyone else.
Let's see. In this week's Coaches poll, ND is #6. In this week's ND poll, ND is # 6. In this week's playoff rankings, ND is # 6. But you have decided that you know more than the coaches who get paid millions of dollars to coach the game. You have decided that you know more than the sportswriters who get paid to write about the game. You have unilaterally declared that ND is not worthy.
This gets me back to the statement I have made to you at least 100 times. GO FIND ANOTHER SCHOOL TO PULL FOR. ND OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT LIVE UP YO YOUR LOFTY STANDARDS.
There was parity in the results earlier in the season but there's now a clear top 5/tier 1. If ND faces any of those top 5 they will be big underdogs. This also lines up with how far behind they are in the team talent composite rankings relative to these tier 1 teams as well.
How many more years (decades even) of hindsight do we need to witness before I earn a smidgen of the benefit of the doubt?
You will never get the benefit of the doubt. You are wrong, clearly wrong.
Notre Dame is #1 in GSR (academics) and #1 in defense, top 15 in offense, 2nd in margin of victory, all while Freeman has the best record against the spread since he became coach. Seems they are much better than a "perpetual underdog/Cinderalla". That sounds like the premier school / GOLD STANDARD for a blend of academics and athletics.
Hosting a playoff game is big money, and, better than playing on the road, and, increases likelihood of moving onto the 2nd round. You can't win a championship if you don't make it to the 2nd round first.
Looking how the playoff picture is shaping up that #5 slot is certainly appealing. In most years it would be the G5 team in round 1 followed by the weakest conference champ in round 2 - thus - into the Final 4 with relative ease.
I've been a big believer that part of ND's poor NYD bowl performances (and CFP appearances) are a result of having such a large lay-off b/w last game and bowl / playoff game. Conference Championships are held, what, 2 weeks after last game ND plays? That's a distinct advantage. That 1st round playoff game will negate that.
Notre Dame is doing just fine!
Please provide proof/link of someone saying they are satisfied with a 1st round home playoff game.
No. There is absolutely not a clear top 5.
It also doesn't line up because we are ahead of Ole miss in team talent rankings. So incorrect
You know who is not making the playoff? Traditional powers USC, Michigan, Florida, Florida State, LSU, etc. Beat USC and we are in with a shot to advance. I have no idea what you are whining about. The program is trending up. Our D can cause teams problems.
We have? maybe you have, but I know going into every season believing ND will win a NC.
Exactly. What these neanderthals don't understand is you can have multiple goals. I set quarterly goals for my team and even myself, and it's usually 3.
ND football teams goals:
1. Make playoffs
2. Host playoff game
3. Win Championship
“I have no logical response, so I’ll just say something completely meaningless”
Thanks for reinforcing the accuracy of my statements. The board regulars, as usual, make their ancestors proud.
Yes there's a clear top 5 in F+ rating (5 teams way out infront of the rest of the pack, with OSU WAAY out in front in a tier of their own)
These tier 1 teams (including Georgia who is at #6) also are way out in front in team talent composite as per 247. These are the teams that have 15, 20, 25+ more 5 star players and top 100 players on their 85 man roster than ND does (in another talent tier entirely). Ole Miss being the only exception--but Lane Kiffin is one of those coaches who has proven that he's able to produce elite F+ seasons with subpar talent (these coaches are far and few between). His roster is also loaded with TONS of transfers that are not comprehensively reflected in the 247 talent rankings.
Basically if ND faces any of these top 5 or 6 teams they'll be a major underdog and probably get ran over yet again. Even if they don't get ran over, the chances that they'll actually win these games is far too low for a team of NDs resources. And its embarrassing that year after year ND essentially heads into the regular season with the same program handicap unable to compete with the top teams in college football (but its disguised by their shit-tier schedule vs the ACC & G5).
Moreover, NDs 2025 recruiting class is down to #14 in the country with only like 1 or 2 players in the composite top 100 (and its yet another recruiting class without a single 5-star commit). The problems are GLARING AND OBVIOUS and apparently im the only one that seems to be able to make the connection between this lack of talent and NDs current standing in the hierarchy of college football.
I've been making one variation of this post or another for nearly 1.5 decades now and even with the benefit of hindsight over that time, i'm still viewed by a segment of this board as a troll who is spouting nonsense to rile up the board. That's why I ask: how many more decades of hindsight do we need where im proven correct over and over again before I earn the benefit of the doubt?
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Pot meet kettle. Its kind of like you babbling on about coaches who make millions MUST be great because they make a lot of money. Or reminding us over and over and over and over again about ND loss to N.IL at home.
Delusional. ND would not be a big underdog to anyone on a neutral field. You're just not paying attention.
Meaningless. Games are actually played on the field.
Even your nonsense doesn't make sense and we already know you don't even believe in your own F+ rankings
Also, Notre Dame is closer to number 4 then number 4 Alabama is to number 1. So how are they in completely different tier levels like you state?
You are obviously biased because your points don't even make sense
Yep. For reasons unknown, the OP continues to insist that teams should be evaluated by some obscure formula, as opposed to how they play on the field. Very strange.
Well to be fair, everything about that 'formula', consists of data points derived from the games themselves. It's just that wins and losses, which really is all the fuss is about when it comes to sports, are just a data point, possibly not even an important one. The main data points comprise things like 3rd down efficiency, how many big chunk plays you make, your red zone performance, how well you compile various statistics versus different opponents in different conditions, etc. It's just data, data, data, data. And they write some algorithm that shuffles the data points, these mathematical figures, through some process, some elaborate series of equations. And when it's all done they spit out a number. And then they rank the teams by who has the highest number. And apparently it's felt that its possible, by way of these equations, to arrive at a 'score', we'll call it, by which you can make some not completely undue or misplaced or inappropriate claim of who the best teams really are. On account of a proper appreciation of what teams accomplish on the field, in what circumstances, over the course of a game, the the course of a season. When the ball is snapped, and a play is attempted and completed. And of course this goes for both offense and defense, both orientations. And the various categories of play on the field that can be measured numerically in some fashion, and then thrown into the mix to be mathematically processed and factored into the final numerical score, is large. I suppose you have to draw the line somewhere, and not every key component to success on the football field is easily quantifiable, but that's a judgement call for the little code writers on their keyboards to decide. One would think they work with coaches and football people when constructing these algorithms, so when all the computing is finished, and the score is revealed, that you picked the right statistical considerations to prioritize or not, so that justice could sort of be served? But I don't know....
Needless to say, something like this in entirely antithetical, and abhorrent to the very endeavor of athletic competition. Using algorithms and computerized statitistical analysis to help coaches and players better understand and appreciate their own performance is one thing. Actually in any way deciding the outcome, in effect, of the competition itself by way of these formulas is morally hideous. That's why the bowls and the polls suck so bad. Got rid of the bowls, but apparently we're going to be stuck forever with the polls. Instead of automatic qualification by virtue of W/L record. And we got a lot of computer geeks who need jobs. So they set to work!
He lives and dies by star ratings given to high school players by groups that are clearly subjective . It's about as an inexact science you'll find this side of NFL draft evaluators.
True. An underdog on a neutral field to Oregon, Texas, Ohio St., Georgia, etc., yes, but not a significant one.
Can't win a championship without getting into the playoffs. Might as well set sights high and shoot for a home game to start the playoffs. Why is that a bad goal?
It's not, of course. The idea, the running theme, is that ND and its fans have low expectations. And we're content with simply hosting a home game, and that it's some big thrill for us, and more than enough. I suppose, instead of wanting to win the whole thing, and very loudly clamoring that we want nothing less. And it's not even a goal, other than just getting into the playoff I would assume. Obviously we have no control where we're seeded at all. In fact no one has any idea how that's even going to play out and the final seedings are inevitably going to be controversial. So you wouldn't set that specifically as a goal I wouldn't think.
It's just bullshit.
The 2012 BSCG, the 2018 CFP Semi Final, and the 2020 CFP Semi Final were not competitive games. Although I will say that each game was more competive than the last game. 2012 the game was over at the half and was a disaster from the kickoff. 2018 ND was hanging around at 9-3, then Julian Love went out and 2 TD's in the last 2 minutes of the half made it 23-3. Then in 2020, it was 21-7, and ND was outclassed, but not embarrassed like 2012. And the 2020 Alabama team was a juggernaut.
The next step is to get in this post season and not get embarrassed or outclassed. Put yourself in a position to win these games and execute down the stretch.
ND has a great defense, but they brought really good defenses into the College post season in 2012, 2018 and 2020. They were not able to score points in any of those games. Fell behind and just floundered around.
The next step is to get in this post season and not get embarrassed or outclassed. Put yourself in a position to win these games and execute down the stretch.
ND has a great defense, but they brought really good defenses into the College post season in 2012, 2018 and 2020. They were not able to score points in any of those games. Fell behind and just floundered around.
