For those that complain about ND not being in a conference...

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

I know being a super conference brings in a ton of money, but a lot of schools are going to be sorry for this. Kiffin told reporters that there are coaches amongst the SEC that would rather not go to the SEC championship game and just take the bye. Makes sense. Why bother playing the SEC championship Game, have less time to rest, and risk losing and be out of the playoffs entirely? Nobody cares about conference championships. This suggests to me ND is actually better off NOT being in a conference, especially since you can still host a home playoff game and the remaining games would be neutral site.

 

[FightingIrish44]

I know being a super conference brings in a ton of money, but a lot of schools are going to be sorry for this. Kiffin told reporters that there are coaches amongst the SEC that would rather not go to the SEC championship game and just take the bye. Makes sense. Why bother playing the SEC championship Game, have less time to rest, and risk losing and be out of the playoffs entirely? Nobody cares about conference championships. This suggests to me ND is actually better off NOT being in a conference, especially since you can still host a home playoff game and the remaining games would be neutral site.

Losing the conference title is a case by case situation, or it should be. It shouldn’t be an automatic eliminator, but it should be considered depending on resumes. 10-3 Georgia should likely be in. 10-3 Ole Miss should likely be out (had they won today).

I haven’t really heard any other conference’s coaches crying about it — Franklin did at PSU I believe — which makes sense. Don’t lose to 4-6 Kentucky or 6-4 LSU and you won’t have that problem…and now 6-5 Florida. Ole Miss played a soft OOC schedule too.

You might be right about being independent. I would tell these SEC schools to go independent, but they won’t. They’ll continue to hide behind espn and get the benefit of the doubt (somewhat deservedly so).

However, it should also be pointed out that they’re only playing 8 conference games and they’re getting a massive benefit from that. Of course the SEC coaches are not going to point that out.

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

Losing the conference title is a case by case situation, or it should be. It shouldn’t be an automatic eliminator, but it should be considered depending on resumes. 10-3 Georgia should likely be in. 10-3 Ole Miss should likely be out (had they won today).

I haven’t really heard any other conference’s coaches crying about it — Franklin did at PSU I believe — which makes sense. Don’t lose to 4-6 Kentucky or 6-4 LSU and you won’t have that problem…and now 6-5 Florida. Ole Miss played a soft OOC schedule too.

You might be right about being independent. I would tell these SEC schools to go independent, but they won’t. They’ll continue to hide behind espn and get the benefit of the doubt (somewhat deservedly so).

However, it should also be pointed out that they’re only playing 8 conference games and they’re getting a massive benefit from that. Of course the SEC coaches are not going to point that out.

Yeah but even if a 10-3 team gets in. That means they almost certainly won't have a home playoff game and they will have missed out an opportunity to rest for a week. I think most coaches would rather just take the 8 seed and a week off.

 

[FightingIrish44]

Yeah but even if a 10-3 team gets in. That means they almost certainly won't have a home playoff game and they will have missed out an opportunity to rest for a week. I think most coaches would rather just take the 8 seed and a week off.

They still have a chance to get a bye. I personally don’t care about losing the home game. That’s a small price. I would say that’s their fault for losing two games if they get knocked out. Can they forfeit or let a lower team in? That would give that team the chance to get in then and the team that skips the title game might get bumped out. That’s their fault for joining a conference then. There may be other years where maybe 10-2 has them on the outside looking in so they have a chance to jump from out to a bye — unlikely in the SEC but possible. I just don’t have any sympathy for an SEC coach.

The thing is..everyone but ND is operating under the same conditions. SMU, Miami, and Clemson are risking getting knocked out. The Big 10 won’t have that problem this year but could in most years. Big 12 loser will probably get knocked out. They act like their conference is so special so it should be a tremendous honor to have a shot to win such a prestigious conference.

 

[savvyandsassier]

Supposedly the committee chairman, whoever that asshole is, said CCG losses will have no bearing on anything. And they have to do that, as much as the cynical committee scumbags want as much plausible latitude as they can arrogate to themselves, because it's just not tenable. Because there's no divisions anymore. The CCGs are now superfluous, they're unnecessary, counterproductive. But somebody has to play in them, they can't have a CCG without two opponents, and so they can't be effing over the loser of a senseless game like that, and say well you got three losses now, so you're out of the playoff. On account of a loss in a game that had no reason to exist in the first place. It would be too egregious, the committee would jeopardize their legitimacy.

But still, I don't think any coach trusts the committee, with good reason. So they'd just as soon not risk it, if they otherwise feel they are a lock for the field.

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

They still have a chance to get a bye. I personally don’t care about losing the home game. That’s a small price. I would say that’s their fault for losing two games if they get knocked out. Can they forfeit or let a lower team in? That would give that team the chance to get in then and the team that skips the title game might get bumped out. That’s their fault for joining a conference then. There may be other years where maybe 10-2 has them on the outside looking in so they have a chance to jump from out to a bye — unlikely in the SEC but possible. I just don’t have any sympathy for an SEC coach.

The thing is..everyone but ND is operating under the same conditions. SMU, Miami, and Clemson are risking getting knocked out. The Big 10 won’t have that problem this year but could in most years. Big 12 loser will probably get knocked out. They act like their conference is so special so it should be a tremendous honor to have a shot to win such a prestigious conference.

No argument there. But my point is, it's bad for the game when coaches are openly saying amongst each other that they'd rather not play in the conference championship game.

I know it wont' happen, but I want to go back to 10-12 team conferences, see the NCAA and conferences divide the money up evenly amongst schools (P5 schools get a even, but higher amount and G5 schools get an even, but lower amount than P5), one year sit out rule for transfers, regulation of NIL money, get rid of conference championship games, 12 game schedule, no more bowl games, and a 16 team playoffs. I think this would create a more equitable and competitively balanced playing field. One can dream, right?

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

Supposedly the committee chairman, whoever that asshole is, said CCG losses will have no bearing on anything. And they have to do that, as much as the cynical committee scumbags want as much plausible latitude as they can arrogate to themselves, because it's just not tenable. Because there's no divisions anymore. The CCGs are now superfluous, they're unnecessary, counterproductive. But somebody has to play in them, they can't have a CCG without two opponents, and so they can't be effing over the loser of a senseless game like that, and say well you got three losses now, so you're out of the playoff. On account of a loss in a game that had no reason to exist in the first place. It would be too egregious, the committee would jeopardize their legitimacy.

But still, I don't think any coach trusts the committee, with good reason. So they'd just as soon not risk it, if they otherwise feel they are a lock for the field.

Lol. It is IMPOSSIBLE to not take conference championship game into consideration. Even if you never talk about it, amongst the committee, it will be playing a role in your decision. And rightfully so.

And if you really were to not take the conference championship game into consideration, then why have the game be played at all???

 

[FightingIrish44]

No argument there. But my point is, it's bad for the game when coaches are openly saying amongst each other that they'd rather not play in the conference championship game.

I know it wont' happen, but I want to go back to 10-12 team conferences, see the NCAA and conferences divide the money up evenly amongst schools (P5 schools get a even, but higher amount and G5 schools get an even, but lower amount than P5), one year sit out rule for transfers, regulation of NIL money, get rid of conference championship games, 12 game schedule, no more bowl games, and a 16 team playoffs. I think this would create a more equitable and competitively balanced playing field. One can dream, right?

Sounds pretty good to me man. I’m in favor of one free transfer before graduation though. You’re right about it not being good for coaches to say that. Kiffin shouldn’t have done that. It also goes against the mantra “none of it matters if we don’t take care of business this Saturday”. Oops.

It’s a shame that the Big 12 and Pac 12 got destroyed. Football would be so much better.

 

[savvyandsassier]

Lol. It is IMPOSSIBLE to not take conference championship game into consideration. Even if you never talk about it, amongst the committee, it will be playing a role in your decision. And rightfully so.

And if you really were to not take the conference championship game into consideration, then why have the game be played at all???

I'm not following you. Other than your desire that CCG losers be punished, which is very discernible, and which I just got through saying ins't going to be the case, for the reasons I described. The CCGs themselves really have no legitimacy any longer, but they still want to have them. So the compromise is not to punish the loser of the game, and to ignore the result with respect to the accrued loss' affect on a given team's season-long resume submitted for perusal to the committee. That's what the effer said. So unless he didn't mean it, you can expect Tennessee to still get in, even if they lose to Texas or Georgia or whoever in the SECCG. If their record previous to the playing of the CCG was good enough to get in. But we'll never really know, because I don't think they make their deliberations public. We just see the final result.

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

I'm not following you. Other than your desire that CCG losers be punished, which is very discernible, and which I just got through saying ins't going to be the case, for the reasons I described. The CCGs themselves really have no legitimacy any longer, but they still want to have them. So the compromise is not to punish the loser of the game, and to ignore the result with respect to the accrued loss' affect on a given team's season-long resume submitted for perusal to the committee. That's what the effer said. So unless he didn't mean it, you can expect Tennessee to still get in, even if they lose to Texas or Georgia or whoever in the SECCG. If their record previous to the playing of the CCG was good enough to get in. But we'll never really know, because I don't think they make their deliberations public. We just see the final result.

Never said that was my desire. Just saying it is psychologically impossible to ignore the loss. Just like the committee couldn't ignore FSU QB going down and having that factor in the decision when it wasn't supposed to.

 

[tbonesays]

The BYEs go to the highest rated conference champions, therefore the CCG loser does not get a bye. Am I missing something here?

I don't care about gossip, no coach is going to choose a wild card whatever over a BYE.

 

[kev2225]

I want ND to be in the Big 10 just because the schedule would be so much more interesting than it is now. Look at this years schedule. Just nothing to get it excited about

 

[savvyandsassier]

I want ND to be in the Big 10 just because the schedule would be so much more interesting than it is now. Look at this years schedule. Just nothing to get it excited about

Yeah, it's been a great season, obviously. But when the's last exciting game we were in this season? I guess NIU, if you call that excitement.

 

[tbonesays]

Exciting; meaning that a team isn't winning convincingly?

 

[savvyandsassier]

Exciting; meaning that a team isn't winning convincingly?

No, dude. We just mean exciting, you know exactly what the F I mean. No one's complaining, we're about to hose a 1st round playoff game. But it's been boring. Spectator sports are called that for a reason, because they're supposed to be fun to watch, not just to live vicariously through. And ND has been good for the latter this year, not so much the former. And if we were in the SEC, for example, we would not have seasons like this. It would be more of a fight, with more exciting games. Even Bama at their most dominant had to struggle at times against various conference opponents, like Auburn or LSU or A&M, and so they were truly dominant champions when they finally won it, and the fans got a few adrenalin rushes along the way. And probably why ND got their ass kicked by Bama and Clemson when we played them.

Hopefully not this year, this team looks legit formidable, and there's no dominant Bama or UGA type team that we can't hope to beat. Clemson sucks now, and we almost beat tOSU anyway a year ago. So we are dark horses!

 

[FightingIrish44]

A&M is still eligible for the SEC title at 8-3. This is why their coaches shouldn’t cry about having to play in the SEC championship. A&M has a chance to go from out of the playoffs to a bye week with two games. If they beat Texas, and had no championship game, they would be done.

It’s a double edged sword but generally helps more than it hurts. If it hurts more, then don’t lose to the lower teams in your conference.

 

[savvyandsassier]

A&M is still eligible for the SEC title at 8-3. This is why their coaches shouldn’t cry about having to play in the SEC championship. A&M has a chance to go from out of the playoffs to a bye week with two games. If they beat Texas, and had no championship game, they would be done.

It’s a double edged sword but generally helps more than it hurts. If it hurts more, then don’t lose to the lower teams in your conference.

Yeah, even with all the losses, or maybe because of the losses. And they lost to Auburn, and were presumed out, but since everybody else lost, like for instance Bama and Ole Miss, that they're still alive if they beat Texas? And you're saying that if they beat Texas, despite just losing to Auburn, they'd still be regular season champs outright if there were no CCG, based on a regular tiebreaker system?

Well I'll be damned, I guess it's not too late for us to salvage our SOS. I figured we were cooked.

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

A&M is still eligible for the SEC title at 8-3. This is why their coaches shouldn’t cry about having to play in the SEC championship. A&M has a chance to go from out of the playoffs to a bye week with two games. If they beat Texas, and had no championship game, they would be done.

It’s a double edged sword but generally helps more than it hurts. If it hurts more, then don’t lose to the lower teams in your conference.

Fair point. If you're on the outside looking in, you want the conference championship game to boost your chances.

 

[kev2225]

Exciting; meaning that a team isn't winning convincingly?

I mean looking at a schedule before the season starts and seeing games that you just can't wait to see. If you look at this years schedule, only the Texas A&M game was one of those games. If we were in the Big 10, we'd be excited about games vs Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Oregon, Indiana, and MSU for starters. I don't know about you, but I'd rather see that schedule than Northern Illinois, Louisville, Virginia, Navy, and Army.

 

[tbonesays]

I mean looking at a schedule before the season starts and seeing games that you just can't wait to see. If you look at this years schedule, only the Texas A&M game was one of those games. If we were in the Big 10, we'd be excited about games vs Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Oregon, Indiana, and MSU for starters. I don't know about you, but I'd rather see that schedule than Northern Illinois, Louisville, Virginia, Navy, and Army.

Preseason you are looking at the historical footprint of the school, meaning not IU. We had marquee matchups against A&M/FSU/SC. Some traditionally good games against Purdue and Gtech. Navy, Stanford and the recent thorn_in_side Louisville formed a fine middle. The body bag games are now part of any deal.

I would quite pessimistic if we joined the BUG and got all of the blue bloods in one year. There are teams like UF that are not bad but got impossibly hard schedules.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

I know being a super conference brings in a ton of money, but a lot of schools are going to be sorry for this. Kiffin told reporters that there are coaches amongst the SEC that would rather not go to the SEC championship game and just take the bye. Makes sense. Why bother playing the SEC championship Game, have less time to rest, and risk losing and be out of the playoffs entirely? Nobody cares about conference championships. This suggests to me ND is actually better off NOT being in a conference, especially since you can still host a home playoff game and the remaining games would be neutral site.

Conference championship games are on the chopping block. They won't be around much longer. The B1G now nas the top two ranked teams in the conference playing for the title....not division champs. The other shoe will drop soon enough. The SEC will follow suit.