When did he recruit and develop a Heisman winning QB? News to me. Jayden Daniels was recruited and developed by Arizona St
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When did he recruit and develop a Heisman winning QB? News to me. Jayden Daniels was recruited and developed by Arizona St
Brian Kelly quotes in 2023 and 2024 😂
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11/22/24:
I understand everybody's angst and everybody's want and desire to win every football game we play. But we're building the roster and we're building the program at the same time.
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7/24/23:
Year 3 is the year where I'll feel, in terms of building a program, we've had enough time to really put the pieces together.
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11/22/24:
I understand everybody's angst and everybody's want and desire to win every football game we play. But we're building the roster and we're building the program at the same time.
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7/24/23:
Year 3 is the year where I'll feel, in terms of building a program, we've had enough time to really put the pieces together.
Wipe off your chin. Kelly didn't develop anything except his ego.
You didn’t even understand what NJ was saying. You seem to be truly blinded by hatred for Kelly.
Hopefully LSU has higher standards and doesn’t keep around mediocrity for that long.
I think that's sort of the art of being a deeply pathological Orwellian style hater, in the clinical sense. Is to lie so completely, that when you're hating on someone, and demonizing them and belittling their achievements, whoever the hate figure is, in this case it's BK. That it's not simply that 2+2=5, it's two plus two equals polka dots, and the more absurd the claim the better, the more egregious, the more flamboyant, the better to spray your disdain with contempt and derision for anything that could stand in the way of it. You don't just hate hate BK, you have contempt for all sense of reality, if such reality would in any way impede you. So the more ludicrous your aspersions, the richer the whole experience. That you don't even bother to make even vaguely plausible slanders.
Thus your claim that Jayden Daniels was recruited and developed by ASU. You actually even included 'recruited' by ASU. As if he was working in a gas station somewhere, or at a video arcade as a quarter porter, deep in the bowels of the ghostly Inland Empire. And ASU found him out of total obscurity, recruited him, gave him a scholarship and then coached him up to what he is today. And then BK in dastardly fashion strutted into town, all arrogant and phony like a politician, bought him off with the LSU slush fund, right as ASU's big investment was about to pay off, and took him back to his office in Baton Rouge and started crying and begging Jayden to save his career. And JD was like, 'Sure thing, coach.'
And the rest is history.
You have some imagination. I still believe you should be in a straight jacket, but you could probably write some best selling fiction.
No, I simply corrected your inaccurate statement that Brian Kelly recruited and developed a Heisman winning QB. He did neither.
Everything else is just your sordid imagination running wild.
I agree with most of your points. Except the firing part. BK got ND back from a terrible place
He laid the foundations. Especially program management. Getting ND into the modern football era.
You’re right he lacked game day coaching, presence, and inspiration. Hard to grow the latter 2, which Marcus Freeman has, growing the 1st…seemingly at the right place and time, given unexpected consequences of transfers and NIL.
Ironically, as I had hoped, teams that can use brand to stabilize rosters are closing football factory gaps. Some call it parity, I say the deeper cause is volatility. It helps ND while hurting LSU.
Freeman just might actually be those coach for this situation. Brand stability. But he attracts some top talent. Maybe making up for what Ohio State can do.
To come full circle, BL has been a positive part of this. I continue to wish him well. And I hope Marcus Freeman completes the job…winning ND a NC.
Mike Denbrock was the OC for Jayden Daniels for 2 seasons while Brian Kelly was the head coach.
Your opinion is garbage.
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Jayden Daniels was a 65% passer at ASU for three years prior to transferring to LSU where he was surrounded by much better talent. You’re an idiot. Stick to little girls track
Or tell me how Marcus Freeman recruited and developed Jack Coan, Riley Leonard and Sam Hartman as the previous idiot likes to give Brian Kelly credit for Jayden Daniels recruitment and development.
There’s not really any “opinion” about anything I said. Facts must hurt your feelings or something
How many of those who are upset with how Kelly departed Notre Dame were upset with him on how he departed Cincinnati to come to Notre Dame ?
He’s gone, he’s no longer affiliated with Notre Dame
It’s time to put him in your rear view mirror !
He’s gone, he’s no longer affiliated with Notre Dame
It’s time to put him in your rear view mirror !
And, let's just throw in there, actually got us to the 4 team playoff twice, and very frustratingly just missed a third appearance in four years, so pretty much had the program at annual playoff contender status. Though I will say, this edition looks like it could actually win it. I know that's a tall order, four straight wins against playoff caliber opponents is obviously hard. But MF really has, I'd like to think, taken it to an even higher level.
I thought the way he left Cincy was low rent. But it didn’t upset me as I had no loyalty to Cincy.
I was very fair to Kelly while at ND and 100% supportive. But he has tried to revise his history ant ND and was incredibly fake when taking the LSU job.
Quite telling that only 17 players showed up to his final meeting to say goodbye…
That is very telling !
His lack of support for Manti also bothered me
He never bought into or became part of the real ND spirit. Gave more lip service than owning it.
He did establish a lot of good protocols and moved the program into top 10 annual performance. But even after 12 years showed few trends that he could score some upsets in big games. And MF has recruited exceptional depth.
I agree. MF has this in a place I didn't think possible after the NIU loss. I had concluded he was out of his league, learning on the job, and that the season was lost.
I'm glad to be wrong...so far. Football is game by game. We will see...but I admit my confidence is much higher in this Irish team.
Honestly, ND has a very realistic opportunity to win it all this year. Haven't felt they could win it all in a long time. Let's hope they can pull it off and we'll all be celebrating it.
Continue being stupid then. I honestly thought at first you were being sarcastic about Jayden Daniels recruitment/development. Instead, it’s just you being true to yourself (dumb).
After two seasons at LSU, you credit Arizona State for Jayden Daniel’s Heisman Trophy and NFL draft status, not Mike Denbrock, Brian Kelly, and the LSU staff.
We disagree.
So you thought we were going to be like, 8-4 again? I guess that would have been totally reasonable. In fact, eminently reasonable. Personally, I was more fixated on how impressively soft our schedule, and just wasn't ready to give up quite yet, simply on account of that, not with a playoff berth technically still at stake. So panic, yes. But despair, no, not quite. FSU was already 0-2 by that point.
And even though everyone's all nervous about Purdue the following week, emblematic of just how soft the schedule was/is, Purdue turned out to be incredibly shitty this year, we're all determined to make amends, we win 66-7, and then it's just like, nothing happened. You can compartmentalize the bad loss, the rest of the schedule is extraordinarily easy, we come to find out, as FSU keeps losing, and USC keeps losing. And so you can baby RL as needed, even though he probably did cost us the NIU game. Because the defense is truly staunch and as advertised. And for a coach like MF, it couldn't be any more ideal motivational fodder. He personally would be highly motivated, after bad losses destroyed both his previous seasons. And in a sense he's sort of fighting for his future, for his reputation. At a place like ND, you just can't keep having losses like that, they really do ruin your season. And he wasn't going to let it ruin this one, with a playoff berth still achievable. And good on MF if that's essentially how things have played out. Especially after getting over the hump vs. A&M. We're not going to waste it. And now, I feel like we're an absolute dark horse to win it all, god willing we beat USC, which I think we have too much momentum to not beat them.
Both have to get some credit. And add the talent of LSU
Also, getting that extra covid year
It's crazy to think how much extra money he made by getting that extra year.
His senior year stats with LSU and his first year with Mike Denbrock are not as good as RLs numbers
If he didn't have another year, where would he be now. That's crazy to think
I threw in the towel on MF after NIU. I concluded he was REALLY learned on the job. I was wrong in the ability of him and the team to correct things.
Sure I was desperate. I've been rooting since a young boy in the 70s. That 1988 thing.
And yes, the schedule remains a matter of question. Pretty good as ND may be, we don't know good.
USC game will show a lot. More so the playoffs, God willing. But by now, I believe in MF again...his learning curve is steeper than I thought, as he gets better rapidly.
And, like you and many here note, he's got the intangibles, which you cannot really learn. Either you have it or you don't. The players want to win for him.
This was pretty obvious to me. I remember conversing with you prior to the 2023 season, and you seemed to be unduly slanted towards Freeman which you acknowledged (as more hope). Then NIU happened, and the pendulum swung way too far to the opposite side. In my humble opinion, you shouldn’t have been that high on him. It was blind faith, which then led you to too quickly throw in the towel. I say all of this with respect towards you.
Obviously ND isn’t out of the woods yet and we still need to see one or two more years to really get a sense of Freeman. I’m highly encouraged though. ND’s level of play has been really high.
Jayden Daniels played 5 years in college, not 6.
And whatever the stats say, the skill sets between Jayden Daniels and Riley Leonard are significant, not even close.
If the 2020 season wasn't a covid shortened year his last season would have been his first year as LSU QB
That year he had 17 passing TDs in 14 games and 28 overall in 14 games
He looked like a completely different player his 5th year. Not even close to who he was a senior
He wouldn't have been drafted near the 1st round. That extra year was a huge help for him and his career
Fair points.
Not to be pedantic, as of course I was hopeful. But I also said the odds of significant success were lower with no prior head coaching experience...definitely hoping MF would be the exception. I was wrong on that and giving up.
Things move fast. It's still a work in progress. We all will adjust our stand with each game.
What will we say if ND crushes USC? Or barely wins or loses? Or loses big?
It's the life of a fan. A harrowing roller coaster. Damn...all I want is a win next week!
I agree. I think the next step(s) for this program under freeman:
Signing top 5 class
Replacing assistant coaches successfully as they get poached.
So far from what we've seen is he will accomplish both in due time
The bolded part is why I would caution anyone from getting too high haha. If he loses to USC, or even in round one, there’s going to be a lot of people in the dumps calling for his head. I won’t be one of the them though. I’d rather wait until years 4 and 5 are completed…and the evaluation never ends.Fair points.
Not to be pedantic, as of course I was hopeful. But I also said the odds of significant success were lower with no prior head coaching experience...definitely hoping MF would be the exception. I was wrong on that and giving up.
Things move fast. It's still a work in progress. We all will adjust our stand with each game.
What will we say if ND crushes USC? Or barely wins or loses? Or loses big?
It's the life of a fan. A harrowing roller coaster. Damn...all I want is a win next week!
He's just trying to justify his claim that RL has first round NFL talent.
lol imagine if you replaced the bottom 30 players on this roster with top 100 prospects instead and half of them were 5-stars?
oh my...
That's why you look at large swaths of data/big sample sizes to formulate your opinion.
As of week 13 2024 this is Marcus Freeman's track record:
2022: 22nd in F+
2023: 8th in F+ (highest finish on record in the last 17 years)
2024: 5th in F+ (NEW highest F+ through 11 games)
The outcome of 1 game doesn't change that much if at all at this point (whether MF gets blown out at USC or gets blown out in a playoff game or not)
We have 30+ games of track record to evaluate his performance holistically and he's done nothing but produce and trend in the right direction since his hire.
THE MAJOR NEXT STEP IN THE MF ERA IS ELIMINATING THE MONSTER TALENT GAP BETWEEN ND AND THE MODERN POWERS AND OTHER BLUE BLOODS IN THE SPORT
Eliminate the talent gap and now ND is a favorite going forward to win national titles and are no longer the Cinderella program wishing upon a star likely to be outclassed by the type of teams that are much farther ahead talent-wise.
Wealthy programs are now spending $25+ million in NIL/year on their roster, much of that is going to the best talent coming out of HS. What is ND doing to keep up?
BTW: Kudos to the OP of this thread .. awesome title .. you can't help but want to click the thread and engage in the discussion
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Same with me now. MF has earned a 5 year tenure based on his body of work. It would take a severe downturn to change my mind...which I don' believe is probable.
