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Fighting Kelly’s of LSU

I think that's sort of the art of being a deeply pathological Orwellian style hater, in the clinical sense. Is to lie so completely, that when you're hating on someone, and demonizing them and belittling their achievements, whoever the hate figure is, in this case it's BK. That it's not simply that 2+2=5, it's two plus two equals polka dots, and the more absurd the claim the better, the more egregious, the more flamboyant, the better to spray your disdain with contempt and derision for anything that could stand in the way of it. You don't just hate hate BK, you have contempt for all sense of reality, if such reality would in any way impede you. So the more ludicrous your aspersions, the richer the whole experience. That you don't even bother to make even vaguely plausible slanders.

Thus your claim that Jayden Daniels was recruited and developed by ASU. You actually even included 'recruited' by ASU. As if he was working in a gas station somewhere, or at a video arcade as a quarter porter, deep in the bowels of the ghostly Inland Empire. And ASU found him out of total obscurity, recruited him, gave him a scholarship and then coached him up to what he is today. And then BK in dastardly fashion strutted into town, all arrogant and phony like a politician, bought him off with the LSU slush fund, right as ASU's big investment was about to pay off, and took him back to his office in Baton Rouge and started crying and begging Jayden to save his career. And JD was like, 'Sure thing, coach.'

And the rest is history.
Love the JAYDEN DANIELS portion of this post. It's simply HILARIOUS. Love to see it streamed as a mini-series on PEACOCK with BK playing himself. And I mean that with no disrespect to him or to your IMAGINATION.

I haven't stopped laughing since I stumbled on this MIDDLEWEIGHT FIGHT of a thread.

It's some TOUR DE FORCE you've got going here with SALVO after SALVO.

JESUS, KEEP BRINGING IT.
 
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LSU still has the #6 class in the country to NDs #12 class. LSU still has 2 other 5-star commits in '25 to NDs zero 5-star commits. LSU still has a 30+ year tenured head coach in Brian Kelly with a long track record of producing above the baseline that his talent suggests that he should.

If I had to make a best guess at what program has a brighter future at this point, my money is still on LSU/Brian Kelly. If we're going to evaluate these two programs into the future, its important that we use a metric that adjusts for opponent quality though (like F+) because the schedules are vastly different in terms of the level of competition.
3 more decommits today

Got a huge OL ftom FSU. But taking receipts
 
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And they will lose 3 or 4 games next year. And the coach will be on the hot seat or get fired so they will be looking for a new home after that
What does this have to do with the 2025 LSU recruiting class? It's outstanding.

If Notre Dame signed the same class, you would not shut up for days.
 
LSU still has the #6 class in the country to NDs #12 class. LSU still has 2 other 5-star commits in '25 to NDs zero 5-star commits. LSU still has a 30+ year tenured head coach in Brian Kelly with a long track record of producing above the baseline that his talent suggests that he should.

If I had to make a best guess at what program has a brighter future at this point, my money is still on LSU/Brian Kelly. If we're going to evaluate these two programs into the future, its important that we use a metric that adjusts for opponent quality though (like F+) because the schedules are vastly different in terms of the level of competition.
LSU's class dropped out of the top 5. they are #8. Not as impressive as you thought.
 
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Because he is a ND fan on a ND message board. You on the other hand are not, which leads to the obvious question why are you here?
I feel like there are enough places to go for blind fanboyism among the ND internet-communities.

I come here to get factual information that cuts through the BS
 
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LSU's class dropped out of the top 5. they are #8. Not as impressive as you thought.
The class finished in disappointing fashion from where it was for sure and ND/Marcus Freeman really improved a lot since that post. And it definitely changes my evaluations about the potential of these programs going forward. I think I see them as peers now instead of LSU being the superior program. Surprisingly MF might be the better coach in 2024 & beyond (putting aside BKs multi-decade tenure)
 
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I feel like there are enough places to go for blind fanboyism among the ND internet-communities.

I come here to get factual information that cuts through the BS
I'm old enough to remember you were here bitching that Freeman's previous classes werent good enough to compete and those who watched film & can eval that disagreed with you were just "blind fanboys" & sunshine pumpers yet this years team 1st & 2nd year players have exceeded all expectations. Your biggest problem is you dont possess the knowledge or eye to evaluate talent so you cant make an informed opinion/projection. All you have to go by is stars and ranking which is only part of the equation.
 
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I'm old enough to remember you were here bitching that Freeman's previous classes werent good enough to compete and those who watched film & can eval that disagreed with you were just "blind fanboys" & sunshine pumpers yet this years team 1st & 2nd year players have exceeded all expectations. Your biggest problem is you dont possess the knowledge or eye to evaluate talent so you cant make an informed opinion/projection. All you have to go by is stars and ranking which is only part of the equation.
I rarely speak in those kind of absolutes. My opinion has been that the recruiting -- and ultimately the talent -- isn't good enough (and i stand by that today)

The fact that MF has developed this team to the level that its producing at is a testament to about as good a job of player development and scheme that a coaching staff can be asked to produce. The overall talent level (10th ranked in 247 composite) is still a handicap that the coaching staff is going to have to overcome.

In a head to head match up against superior-talented teams, with equally good coaching staffs, it's going to require a lot of good fortune for ND to ultimately win those kinds of games.

The level of talent still has to improve.
 
I rarely speak in those kind of absolutes. My opinion has been that the recruiting -- and ultimately the talent -- isn't good enough (and i stand by that today)

The fact that MF has developed this team to the level that its producing at is a testament to about as good a job of player development and scheme that a coaching staff can be asked to produce. The overall talent level (10th ranked in 247 composite) is still a handicap that the coaching staff is going to have to overcome.

In a head to head match up against superior-talented teams, with equally good coaching staffs, it's going to require a lot of good fortune for ND to ultimately win those kinds of games.

The level of talent still has to improve.
Wrong.

The talent level is really high on this team. Last 2 classes have been elite. Don't care what the site tells you. Watch the film. 23 and 24 classes were loaded

It's actually 9th in the composite overall and 5th (more important) in per player average

That's telling the quality of top talent on the roster

5th in talent. 4th in F+. Makes sense
 
I rarely speak in those kind of absolutes. My opinion has been that the recruiting -- and ultimately the talent -- isn't good enough (and i stand by that today)

The fact that MF has developed this team to the level that its producing at is a testament to about as good a job of player development and scheme that a coaching staff can be asked to produce. The overall talent level (10th ranked in 247 composite) is still a handicap that the coaching staff is going to have to overcome.

In a head to head match up against superior-talented teams, with equally good coaching staffs, it's going to require a lot of good fortune for ND to ultimately win those kinds of games.

The level of talent still has to improve.
And we were saying you were wrong on your assessment because you were going by class rank and stars but you couldnt see the potential in kids like Love, Price, Young, Traore, Moore, Shuler, Hinish,ect because they didnt have the 5 star cache but were high level recruits that could reach the same potential. And you fail to understand that some of those 5 stars are not cultural fits for the program and that factors into the recruitment as well.
 
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Wrong.

The talent level is really high on this team. Last 2 classes have been elite. Don't care what the site tells you. Watch the film. 23 and 24 classes were loaded

It's actually 9th in the composite overall and 5th (more important) in per player average

That's telling the quality of top talent on the roster

5th in talent. 4th in F+. Makes sense
If the sites were showing a tier 1 class, or tier 1 talent rank, you would be referencing the sites and their rankings constantly. You would probably have a picture of the 24/7 logo in your profile.

But since they are not, you revert to some argument about "the last 2 classes being elite just because i said so" based on nothing but your own anecdotal evidence.

I've explained a million times that per-recruit-average is a limited way of evaluating a class or a roster because there's more to the quality of a class & quality of a roster than the average ranking of the prospects in it. 24/7 offers an overall class and overall talent score for a reason. This overall score is based on a formula that is weighted. ND is limited in its overall talent & class scores by its lower quantity of high-ranked players relative to their peers and limited by being completely outmatched at the highest end of the roster.
 
If the sites were showing a tier 1 class, or tier 1 talent rank, you would be referencing the sites and their rankings constantly. You would probably have a picture of the 24/7 logo in your profile.

But since they are not, you revert to some argument about "the last 2 classes being elite just because i said so" based on nothing but your own anecdotal evidence.

I've explained a million times that per-recruit-average is a limited way of evaluating a class or a roster because there's more to the quality of a class & quality of a roster than the average ranking of the prospects in it. 24/7 offers an overall class and overall talent score for a reason. This overall score is based on a formula that is weighted. ND is limited in its overall talent & class scores by its lower quantity of high-ranked players relative to their peers and limited by being completely outmatched at the highest end of the roster.
Oh I said it from the jump, the 24 and 23 classes were elite and had a ton of dudes. There's no doubt about that. I don't care what the ranking said. Those classes were stacked

And the results on the field are proving me right.

ND is 9th in overall team talent (very good) but 5th in per player average (elite) which means the high level talent.

Very very talented roster. One of the best in the country

One of the most talented rosters in the country plus one of the best staffs in the country gives you a tier 1 top 4 ranking in F+
 
If the sites were showing a tier 1 class, or tier 1 talent rank, you would be referencing the sites and their rankings constantly. You would probably have a picture of the 24/7 logo in your profile.

But since they are not, you revert to some argument about "the last 2 classes being elite just because i said so" based on nothing but your own anecdotal evidence.

I've explained a million times that per-recruit-average is a limited way of evaluating a class or a roster because there's more to the quality of a class & quality of a roster than the average ranking of the prospects in it. 24/7 offers an overall class and overall talent score for a reason. This overall score is based on a formula that is weighted. ND is limited in its overall talent & class scores by its lower quantity of high-ranked players relative to their peers and limited by being completely outmatched at the highest end of the roster.
If you could actually evaluate talent you would be making a recruit by recruit argument to back up your hypothesis but you cant evaluate talent so you go by stars and rankings. If you want to be a respected authority on CFB you really need to add that to your bag.
 
If you could actually evaluate talent you would be making a recruit by recruit argument to back up your hypothesis but you cant evaluate talent so you go by stars and rankings. If you want to be a respected authority on CFB you really need to add that to your bag.
I dont need to evaluate talent. Its a futile exercise when there are already very wealthy brands in a multi-billion dollar industry with huge staffs of professionals who do it already. They see these prospects live. They talk to their network of coaches, camp operators, and scouts about these prospects. They measure their times in camps. They talk to the prospects HS coaches. They evaluate the film exhaustively over the recruiting cycle. Many of these prospect prognosticators are ex FBS and NFL insiders.

The 247 composite is the aggregate/industry wide opinion of a prospect. My individual evaluations couldn't (nor could anybody elses) hold a candle to that.
 
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I dont need to evaluate talent. Its a futile exercise when there are already very wealthy brands in a multi-billion dollar industry with huge staffs of professionals who do it already. The 247 composite is the aggregate/industry wide opinion of a prospect. My individual evaluations (nor could anybody elses) hold a candle to that.
And that's why you don't have a clue. So your opinion is irrelevant. It's pointless to talk to you because you have zero ability to evaluate and you don't realize there's a lot of bad evaluators on these sites. There's some good analysts and some bad ones.

You have to use more than just the sites. You can't get past that and that's your fault in this topic
 
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And that's why you don't have a clue. So your opinion is irrelevant. It's pointless to talk to you because you have zero ability to evaluate and you don't realize there's a lot of bad evaluators on these sites. There's some good analysts and some bad ones.

You have to use more than just the sites. You can't get past that and that's your fault in this topic
If you were facing a murder charge would you concede to a lawyer (or in this case a room full of lawyers) or to some guy who watches a lot of murder trials on TV?
Not the #1 Chass predicted

Try to keep up
Bro, you are the king of misrepresenting me and my posts on this forum.

I talked about LSU/BKs class as a top 5 class (which it was until it lost some of its best prospects down the stretch)
 
The9 class finished in disappointing fashion from where it was for sure and ND/Marcus Freeman really improved a lot since that post. And it definitely changes my evaluations about the potential of these programs going forward. I think I see them as peers now instead of LSU being the superior program. Surprisingly MF might be the better coach in 2024 & beyond (putting aside BKs multi-decade tenure)
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If you were facing a murder charge would you concede to a lawyer (or in this case a room full of lawyers) or to some guy who watches a lot of murder trials on TV?

Bro, you are the king of misrepresenting me and my posts on this forum.

I talked about LSU/BKs class as a top 5 class (which it was until it lost some of its best prospects down the stretch)
Nope. You are pulling a Hunter again
 
If you were facing a murder charge would you concede to a lawyer (or in this case a room full of lawyers) or to some guy who watches a lot of murder trials on TV?

Bro, you are the king of misrepresenting me and my posts on this forum.

I talked about LSU/BKs class as a top 5 class (which it was until it lost some of its best prospects down the stretch)
You are giving these evaluators way too much credit. They aren't making huge money and they don't have some crazy qualifications for the job
 
I rarely speak in those kind of absolutes. My opinion has been that the recruiting -- and ultimately the talent -- isn't good enough (and i stand by that today)

The fact that MF has developed this team to the level that its producing at is a testament to about as good a job of player development and scheme that a coaching staff can be asked to produce. The overall talent level (10th ranked in 247 composite) is still a handicap that the coaching staff is going to have to overcome.

In a head to head match up against superior-talented teams, with equally good coaching staffs, it's going to require a lot of good fortune for ND to ultimately win those kinds of games.

The level of talent still has to improve.
Your fingers must be as worn out and your thoughts on Notre Dame football. Keyboard jockeys always know a lot about a lot of nothing.
 
Love the JAYDEN DANIELS portion of this post. It's simply HILARIOUS. Love to see it streamed as a mini-series on PEACOCK with BK playing himself. And I mean that with no disrespect to him or to your IMAGINATION.

I haven't stopped laughing since I stumbled on this MIDDLEWEIGHT FIGHT of a thread.

It's some TOUR DE FORCE you've got going here with SALVO after SALVO.

JESUS, KEEP BRINGING IT.
Actually....its Rockem" Sockem' Robots. Nobody ever wins and everybody wins. Just reset the plastic heads...and grab those hand controls and start working those thumbs, fellers......Every once in a while...switch colors......we would appreciate it.
 
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