So many words wasted on a coach that never embraced Notre Dame.
Kelly getting taken to the woodshed
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I think BK did embrace ND. He lasted so long, so how could he not?
I just think he threw in the towel at some point. He probably really believed ND could not win a NC, something that probably was true before this NIL and transfer sea change. I respect BK but don't like his persona...again, he hit his ceiling.
It's normal to discuss this. Sports Fandom 101. But some people get riled up over it.
He probably didn’t believe that ND could win the title. Unfortunately, I think he bought into the hype and probably wasn’t looking at himself enough. 2018 Clemson and 2020 Alabama went on to win their title games by even more than they beat ND. ND wasn’t that far off — even in those particular games.
I’m glad he left though. I don’t want anyone here who doesn’t believe they can win the title.
Please pause for a minute and understand you're trying to reason with a lunatic that is completely obsessed with Brian Kelly. A person that actually believes Brian Kelly was reading these forums, which forced him to leave Notre Dame and head to LSU. This is who you are trying to reason with.
Again, not to be combative, but I think he eventually didn't believe. And that he genuinely believed he could win a NC at LSU, hence the jump.
I agree with you that he didn't self assess enough. He did evolve, yielding most play calling. He did more smash mouth, suitable for a school and tradition like ND...although he never got away from some gimmick football.
That last point is where he turned me off. I recall him a few times doubling down on pass happy spread type football...even arrogantly saying people better get used to it. Couple that with his inability to inspire, getting angry with players, he'd run his course...and I also was glad he finally decided to leave.
I never supported firing him. I appreciate what he did. His voluntarily leaving led to an improbably MF appointment...leading to this improbable achievement by MF. I'll take it!
Lastly: I definitely think by now BK realizes maybe it is him. I still listen to some of his interviews and press conferences. You can see it in his tone, choice of words, and attitude...he knows it's his last stand of sorts at LSU...again, I wish him the best...obviously not vs ND!
There's nothing normal about ND's fan-hate for BK. It ebbs and flows, depending on whatever's at hand with which to bash him, and just how jacked up the mob gets in a given instance, and you personally are all articulate and fussy about all your various criticisms. But as far as his love for ND, supposedly he was building his 'forever house' in SB, and his sudden departure came not long after that. My pet theory is somewhere the bubble burst for him, maybe when he passed Knute Rockne, and there wasn't respect and admiration forthcoming from the ND community, there was resentment and grumbling, and maybe this wasn't actually the place for him to settle down and retire after all, and he read the room wrong. He's certainly persona non grata now at ND, though not officially of course.
Like I said, it varies. But my anecdotal observations reading social media is that he simply wasn't likable, if we want to reduce it to a core denominator. Hopefully you remember what I've been writing and not continue to accuse me of being a basher...but even I was put off by BK's attitude and style and I maintained support for him.
He reached his ceiling as we keep discussing. It was time to move on. For himself and ND. I 99% believe BK did it because he genuinely believed he could win a NC at LSU and not at ND...like I keep saying, he wasn't wrong on that at the time...albeit college football has massively changed the past 3 years, opening up opportunity that MF is leveraging to the nth degree.
I don't know BK is persona non grata now at ND. Clearly he had a long tenure and could have stayed. Maybe he did leave in a way that turned some off...but I am skeptical he won't be welcomed back in a good way once he's done at LSU, which puts limits on engagement right now.
So it's Notre Dame fan's fault Kelly left for more money? Does he think SEC fans will be more understanding and patient?
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Maybe he did embrace Notre Dame, I just don't see it from my perspective. He always talked about having to shop down a different aisle, hard to not interpret that in any way other than not embracing the institution. I may very well be incorrect, it's just my opinion.
I like you, savvy. We’ve had our differences & always will in some cases, but you’re a passionate dude & I laugh my ass off at some of your posts, sometimes cuz I think you’re crazy, but most of the time cuz I think you’re a crack up (in a good way).
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“I'm not sure about doing the same. Everybody since Holtz failed pretty badly. The one thing I have to respect about BK is he restored ND to being a competitive team. As I keep saying, I'm grateful for that.”
That’s reasonable but I still think there are quite a few that could’ve had similar success in restoring our position.
That’s reasonable but I still think there are quite a few that could’ve had similar success in restoring our position.
Brian Kelly had the ability to win at Notre Dame, and "bring them back." However, he didn't have the personality necessary to succeed fully at Notre Dame. He was all business.
On the other hand, Marcus Freeman also has the ability to win at Notre Dame, but he has something that BK will never have and that's the handle on team spirit. Attitude is big in any sport, but especially big in the game of football. Coach Freeman has brought back Notre Dame team spirit to the football program. I hope he's the long term coach of the Fighting Irish!
On the other hand, Marcus Freeman also has the ability to win at Notre Dame, but he has something that BK will never have and that's the handle on team spirit. Attitude is big in any sport, but especially big in the game of football. Coach Freeman has brought back Notre Dame team spirit to the football program. I hope he's the long term coach of the Fighting Irish!
Oh well thank you. I certainly take the opportunity to talk shit, so to speak, on the internet. And say my peace. I like to think that's what it's good for. Even though it sort of started out, at least with I guess like Facebook and twitter and such, as a place for teenage girls to gossip, and be cruel to other kids. And that was going to be their main audience. Little did they know the whole world would start carrying on like a bunch of mean girls. Humble message boards such as this predated those 'platforms', and admittedly have had their own trajectory.
