Does ND even recruit 5 star football players anymore?
- Thread starter chaseball
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I remember a 5 star QB throwing the ball to his 5 star WR with a 5 star RB in the backfield and an OL with 5 stars blocking for him when Bama won the championship.
i believe they currently have 6 three stars on their two deep. personally i'm not a star gazer so i don't care. i agree that alabama is loaded with talent but they don't have the top 22 players in college football on their two deep. for the record the QB who threw the game winner was a lowly 4 star.
You are not going to consistently be at or near the top with all 5 star players it just won't work with chemistry, work ethic, etc. You also won't be at the top consistently with all 3 star players because of talent. ND is starting to put talented classes back to back to back. They are missing a few elite players. A dlinemen, a RB, Safety. If we had 3-5 5 start elite talented players at the right positions, I think ND could compete with anyone in the nation consistently.
Safety play has been just awful, and we have no clue how it will work out this year. RB recruiting and big game play has been awful. Dline has gotten better but still isn't dynamic. My biggest fault of Kelly, he's done an awful job with the QB position most years while at ND and we've recruited some pretty good talent.
Safety play has been just awful, and we have no clue how it will work out this year. RB recruiting and big game play has been awful. Dline has gotten better but still isn't dynamic. My biggest fault of Kelly, he's done an awful job with the QB position most years while at ND and we've recruited some pretty good talent.
Top d linemen has always been the toughest recruits to land for nd.
Tua was a 5 Star. But Hurts actually gets credit with the win (since he started) & he was a 4 Star. He started 3 Title games & won 2.
Bama actually has had three 5 Star QBs leave, & none start a title game. Bama won a title with a 3 Star QB & no 5 Stars...
Bama’s National Title Starters to win:
Hurts 4 Star
Hurts 4 Star
McCarron 4 Star
McCarron 4 Star
McElroy 3 Star
I actually posted that last year.
Someone from the Clemson & Bama sites listed the actual starters for each team in the back to back title games (each side won 1) using the ‘12,’13 & ‘14 recruiting classes (the classes that made up the ‘15 & ‘16 teams) & it’s not as many as you would think. Clemson had only one starter out of the three classes who was a 5 Star who started in either game. Bama has 3 Star players who started over 5 Star players. The best player at Bama (started on 3 national championship teams, won the Outland & Rimington at two different positions) was a 4 Star. (Barrett Jones).
Right... cause it's not the elite 5 stars that make Bama what they are... it's the occasional 3 star starter
Yeah, you did. Here's your post.
So getting 5 stars isn't important? You do realize the goal is to win a national championship right? You do realize you need elite talent all around and/or a heisman caliber QB right?
Speaking of UGA... this current class they just signed will be ready to rock and roll by the time we play them in 2019. That team could be the most talented team ND has faced this millennium, including Bama in 12. Gonna need to be tough to compete with them on the road.
Over the last five recruiting years Bama has averaged exactly 5 five-stars per year. 25 over 5 incoming classes, 2014 - 2018. Using Rivals rankings.
I’m hoping they run into 3 problems:
1) Turnover. Some players they have now leave early.
2) Trasnfers. 5 Stars who don’t start early get frustrated & leave.
3) Youth. The current big time recruits are still young & not ready yet.
QB- Tua 5*
RB- Damien Harris, Najee Harris both 5*
WR- Jerry Jeudy, Henry Ruggs, Devonta Smith all 5*
OT- Alex Leatherwood, Jedrick Willis both 5*
Center- Jonah Williams 5*
DE- Labryan Ray
OLB- Christian Miller, Terrell Lewis both 5*
MLB- Dylan Moses, Mack Wilson, Ben Davis all 5*
So at most positions they do have 5* players
Like I said, the other poster was just making stuff up. Thanks for taking the time to actually do the research.
Alabama just won a national title with at least one 5* at each position, in most cases multiple, except for tight end. Not making up anything.
Dude that's their 2 deep going into this year. I bet there's even more 5* buried on the depth chart.
any 3 star on an elite-recruited-program likely had to beat out some top rated recruits on the roster to earn his spot -- the exercise of breaking down each national championship roster and pointing out the 5 star players is futile -- just look at the data in aggregate
what the genesis of the debate comes down to is whether or not there's a correlation between recruiting success and success on the football field and that's a pretty easy debate to settle
all you have to do is look at all of the national championship winners dating back to the BCS era -- that list is a who's-who of all of the best recruited football programs during the last 15-20 years (these are also the teams who've graduated the most talent to the NFL during the same time period)
there are a few exceptions (outliers) but for the most part the teams who recruit the best talent in aggregate are the teams who have had the most success in aggregate this is an undeniable fact
what the genesis of the debate comes down to is whether or not there's a correlation between recruiting success and success on the football field and that's a pretty easy debate to settle
all you have to do is look at all of the national championship winners dating back to the BCS era -- that list is a who's-who of all of the best recruited football programs during the last 15-20 years (these are also the teams who've graduated the most talent to the NFL during the same time period)
there are a few exceptions (outliers) but for the most part the teams who recruit the best talent in aggregate are the teams who have had the most success in aggregate this is an undeniable fact
Every single outlier can be traced to having a generational talent at QB. Every single one.
No.
Alabama has two incoming 5 Stars in the 2018 class (Anoma & Surtain).
And you listed a handful of guys who weren’t composite 5 Stars.
Alabama doesn’t have anything near a 5 Star at every position. And none buried in the two deep. They have one position with a 5 Star two deep (RB).
You make it sound like they have 20 starting 5 Stars with others in waiting. They have 12 total on their roster, & two are incoming freshmen. They have 7 total as starters after their spring game.
They didn't play because it's going into this year. Notice how I didn't list Minkah, Rashaan Evans, Dashawn Hand, Tony Brown, Calvin Ridley, Bo Scarborough, Daron Payne, and Robert Foster.
Which means they have less going into the year. They lost all those guys & only signed two 5 Stars in the 2018 class.
Yes.
It literally is their projected 2 deep. And I never said anything about composite 5*, even though many were. They were 5* by either rivals 247 or both. I didn't even list the 2 freshman that were both composites. You act like only having 7 5* starters is bad, and facing depth full of them is even worse. I don't understand your point? They clearly are full of 5* talent along with top 75 4* talent at every position.
You said they have 5 Stars at every position (they dont). And they have them everywhere two deep (they don’t) & they have them buried in the depth chart (they don’t).
That’s my point.
Okay... they literally just won a national championship with a 5 star at every spot except for TE and that's not an exaggeration
Academics are a big factor------the 5 star kid of today is thinking 3 and done-------ND isn't the place for most of those kids
Now drivel on.
It's a legit concern man. And there are plenty of 5* who want a great education as well. Also, what's wrong with going 3 and done? ND should be fine with that if that's the best path for a kid.
Why the big ruckus with Chaseball? In college football the players win the games. Five-Star guys win games - pretty simple really. He didn't say every player should be a 5-star guy (even though someone jumped on him for that). Check the play-off teams - how many 5-star guys do they have? PLENTY!
For all the nay-sayers, you might want to check out who has the 5-star guys and who does the winning.
Granted not every 5-star guy will be an all-american and also, granted not ever 5-star guy is a criminal like some here suggest. You actually can be a 5-star guy, win and not be a criminal.
For all the nay-sayers, you might want to check out who has the 5-star guys and who does the winning.
Granted not every 5-star guy will be an all-american and also, granted not ever 5-star guy is a criminal like some here suggest. You actually can be a 5-star guy, win and not be a criminal.
Anyone doing the math according to scout.com ND has had the #1 recruiting class 6 years in a row until 2018 when they were a miserable #6. They are currently #1 for 2019.
Hummmm...................
So what you are saying is that according to Scout.com over the past 6 years ND has the nation's most talented football players bar none!
Whoa!!!!! What a rating service!
