I can give you that. He had some experience though and against way better competition
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I can give you that. He had some experience though and against way better competition
He has great physical talents but mentally not so much.. Makes worse decisions at most inopportune times.. Like that pick 6. 1st you run the ball on 1st down there not throw... 2nd if you must throw throw it in the end zone so your guys have chance to stop the guy from running it back.
With him result would be like this year 8-5 9-4. We must get that Wake forest QB and play him with some running packages for Buchner.. He is not a QB for entire game if you want to go 11-1 / 12-0
TBs played like 6 games in 3 years (and that’s generous considering his relief of Coan was all running). I think the mistakes and accuracy get cleaned up with development and reps. Hope he’s under center against Navy in Dublin.
Yeah, I agree. He doesn't have the happy feet like Book... it was good to see him actually step into some throws... it's just that for every good pass, he throws like 3 terrible passes. Book could throw way better 15 yard passes. Some of Buchner's short throws are Wimbush-esque.
Buchner threw some balls that I haven't seen a QB at ND be able to throw since Kizer was here. He also runs with good instincts on top of being a really good athlete. I also like the intangibles. Seems like he stays focused even in moments when things are going poorly and is able to rebound with big plays.
South Carolina was no great team or anything but their defense was solid this season in a really tough conference and Buchner looked like the best player on the field (despite the mistakes).
South Carolina was no great team or anything but their defense was solid this season in a really tough conference and Buchner looked like the best player on the field (despite the mistakes).
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Agreed. Book couldn’t throw a deep ball to save his life though. Buchner is “ok” there at least
I don’t know, I see a lot of Book. Which to me is a good thing. Book had a very good career at ND.
Didn’t Book run a 4.59 40?
I don’t believe TB is faster.
Just because the Louisville/NC St guys weren’t athletic enough to return one of Hartman’s 6 INTs in 2 games? Seems unfair. Let’s look at TBs picks
1/ tipped ball at LOS, hardly QBs fault
2/forced flick on 3rd down, easy to clean up
3/ play never should have been called but poor read by TB. Again, more of a game management issue which will come back once he plays more ball.
If Hartman comes, likely guaranteed to start by coaches but here’s to hoping it’s Buchner under center in 2023.
Buchner is more physical. He also is better at doing the rpo in my opinion
The other things that I mentioned are other differences
It absolutely didn't look it tonight.
It's hilarious people are wondering about Hartman and what he thinks about Buchner, and ignoring the real issue. Buchner took a BEATING tonight and Hartman is no where as mobile.
Book had a better intermediate game, but was scared to death to throw over the middle.
Buchner is a little less accurate but a lot more willing to go through progressions and make the hard throw.
This. Buchner from a poise and IT standpoint stands out. Book had IT but was skiddish as a shitzu. Buchner should be the guy in 2023, dance with the ones ya came with.
Hell 32 year old Hartman threw 7 picks in 3 games? Not Buchners fault his offensive can’t tackle.
His passing was abominable today.
So many of his throws, including completions, were off target.
His CP was 55 % and he threw two pick sixes
Look at his TD to INT ratio.
If we lost today everyone would be calling to get rid of him and you know that’s the truth
His TD to INT ratio is 3 to 5.
One can only hope that he dramatically improves his accuracy
Put up the most points of the year despite all that? Guy hasnt played in 4 months and 2 games in 2 years before that.. if you can’t see the upside and think he’s Pyne, we’ll keep us posted on your lunch with the ND brass
Book couldn’t complete a pass over 30 yards. Book ran himself into multiple sacks with his happy feet. Book had a massive blind spot in the middle of the field. Book ran the RPO, but wasn’t good at making the proper reads needed to be considered very good at it. Sometimes, he’d make incredible improv plays though. I’ll give you that.
There’s really not a lot of similarities IMO. Buchner, as inconsistent as he was today, has much higher upside than Book ever did.
I agree with you on that Pat. I'll bring in Hartmann and may the best man win between those two and Minchey. My only expections for next season is get to double digit wins how we get there I really don't care.
Na go with the men you recruited and been grinding for 3 years. All day. I think it’s a big decision as a coach, while players can clearly do as they choose, are you as a coach going to put value on the kids you recruit and develop? OR is it USC mentality? I’d prefer ND sticks with Buchner or at least tells Hartman he’ll need to compete for the job.
This! I’m not a fan of 1 year rent a player crap either. ESPECIALLY at QB. The message must be: Don’t expect to have the job handed to anybody and expect TB to fight for it, tooth in nail.
On a far inferior team where he was there only shot at winning
Buchner just had to hit play like a moron and we win, Buchner almost made us lose
4 pick 6s in those games, you shouldn’t have that many in your career in college if you started 50 games
I have no problem with Sam Hartman. He’s a South Carolina kid so no problem with him. I just don’t like the 1 year rental idea. And I like TB’s aggressiveness. It’ll be reigned in but he’ll always have it in himself to bet on his talent and that can’t be taught. Case in point todays 2nd INT. He scrambled and flipped the ball forward only to have it picked but again, I liked the aggressiveness. Just like in basketball: the only bad shot is the one you don’t take! Same in football. If you throw a pick; get back on the horse asap.
