Buchner

[Golson5]

On a far inferior team where he was there only shot at winning

Buchner just had to hit play like a moron and we win, Buchner almost made us lose

Louisville far inferior team than Wake. Nahhh

Wakes system is designed to make the QB look good. He ran it well. Our system is different

Was our WR room better than Wakes.... are we sure about that...

3 of the last 14 games he threw 3ints twice and 4 ints once....

Against Pitt, Louisville, nc state....far inferior to wake, nahhh

 

[Golson5]

4 pick 6s in those games, you shouldn’t have that many in your career in college if you started 50 games

That's a luck thing.

 

[Patrirish]

Put up the most points of the year despite all that? Guy hasnt played in 4 months and 2 games in 2 years before that.. if you can’t see the upside and think he’s Pyne, we’ll keep us posted on your lunch with the ND brass

I guess the most points of the year had nothing to do with an SC turnover and ND rushing for 264 yards and SC’s depleted ranks.

I watched the game yesterday and saw terrible passing, even some of the completions were terrible with the receivers having to make exceptional efforts in order to catch the ball.

Now I don’t possess the ability to see the future like you do, so I can only judge by what I actually see, and yesterday I saw a very poor passing performance. You can make all the excuses you want and you can be in denial all you want, the fact is that yesterday’s passing performance was mediocre at best, poor if you’re objective.

Why would I keep you posted regarding any of my lunches with the folks at ND ?
You’re a nobody !
However, I will be happy to share my conversations with NDinNJ.

 

[Get Nasty]

I have no problem with Sam Hartman. He’s a South Carolina kid so no problem with him. I just don’t like the 1 year rental idea. And I like TB’s aggressiveness. It’ll be reigned in but he’ll always have it in himself to bet on his talent and that can’t be taught. Case in point todays 2nd INT. He scrambled and flipped the ball forward only to have it picked but again, I liked the aggressiveness. Just like in basketball: the only bad shot is the one you don’t take! Same in football. If you throw a pick; get back on the horse asap.

I don’t either but I’d prefer to win a lot next year

 

[Get Nasty]

That's a luck thing.

3 terrible reads on 3 of them and one tip due to side arm throw … one was unlucky out of 4

He also could have made tackle on both yesterday

 

[Patrirish]

4 pick 6s in those games, you shouldn’t have that many in your career in college if you started 50 games

When you throw 8 INT’s in 118 attempts ( 7 %) that’s not bad luck, that’s bad passing and making bad decisions.

 

[Get Nasty]

Louisville far inferior team than Wake. Nahhh

Wakes system is designed to make the QB look good. He ran it well. Our system is different

Was our WR room better than Wakes.... are we sure about that...

3 of the last 14 games he threw 3ints twice and 4 ints once....

Against Pitt, Louisville, nc state....far inferior to wake, nahhh

I’m saying wake is far inferior to nd… Hartman is under duress every play and because they have terrible D he has to win a shootout

With that said, I agree he needs to make some better decisions at nd… his interceptions have typically come from when wake is trying to come back

 

[Get Nasty]

When you throw 8 INT’s in 118 attempts ( 7 %) that’s not bad luck, that’s bad passing and making bad decisions.

Agree

 

[Golson5]

I’m saying wake is far inferior to nd… Hartman is under duress every play and because they have terrible D he has to win a shootout

With that said, I agree he needs to make some better decisions at nd… his interceptions have typically come from when wake is trying to come back

He wasn't playing ND in those 3 games

 

[HarlemIrish]

Career backup from this point on.

His biggest issue will be staying healthy. ND better have a strong back up @ the ready.

 

[banmate6]

2 years, lol. He’s played in 3 (maybe 3.5?) full games. Give him a break.

All his appearances, however long, have been at best mixed. Again, I'm going by the eye test. Last night, sleeping on it, this was unacceptable play on his part. He made pretty catastrophic errors, withstanding some big TD plays.

I see a decent running QB, but limitations in passing, especially under pressure. Short and long range passing. I just don't think he has good awareness, finesse, and composure.

As I keep saying, I'd love to be wrong. I'm still rooting for his success.

 

[BodiTheGreat]

Can be the guy....

It was maddening. But you can see if he fixes some things what he can be. I get it

I have never seen a white QB that ran QB draws in the redzone as fast as Tyler.
He has a great arm too. But in this day an age ND should probably go with Sam Hartman, with all that experience and success, next year.
Go Irish !

 

[HRC08]

All his appearances, however long, have been at best mixed. Again, I'm going by the eye test. Last night, sleeping on it, this was to acceptable play on his part. He made pretty catastrophic errors, withstanding some big TD plays.

I see a decent running QB, but limitations in passing, especially under pressure. Short and long range passing. I just don't think he has good awareness, finesse, and composure.

As I keep saying, I'd love to be wrong. I'm still rooting for his success.

He’s played 2.5 games this year and today was the first time he played in a game in 3 months. Yet he accounted for 5 TD’s and never took the ample opportunities he had to quit. He was pummeled early in this game, turned the ball over and watched several passes get dropped by his receivers. Nobody’s mentioning that btw. Especially the pass to Merriweather. As for poise, accuracy, etc he’s a dual threat QB not the traditional pro style drop back type. However I believe he’s capable of learning much much more before as is said and done.

 

[mirer03]

We know you don’t have an eye for talent

We know you are a second username of the board idiot....

 

[Get Nasty]

He wasn't playing ND in those 3 games

Yeah, wake D was Swiss cheese so he had to force it

 

[mirer03]

I have never seen a white QB that ran QB draws in the redzone as fast as Tyler.
He has a great arm too. But in this day an age ND should probably go with Sam Hartman, with all that experience and success, next year.
Go Irish !

If Hartman throws three picks vs SC... Do we win?

I don't think so.

It's a valid question. He gunned wake out of games vs ncsu and UNC this year and lost both... 7 picks in three games as a 5 year starter in a system tailored to him.

I think it's work a closer look...

 

[mirer03]

I guess the most points of the year had nothing to do with an SC turnover and ND rushing for 264 yards and SC’s depleted ranks.

I watched the game yesterday and saw terrible passing, even some of the completions were terrible with the receivers having to make exceptional efforts in order to catch the ball.

Now I don’t possess the ability to see the future like you do, so I can only judge by what I actually see, and yesterday I saw a very poor passing performance. You can make all the excuses you want and you can be in denial all you want, the fact is that yesterday’s passing performance was mediocre at best, poor if you’re objective.

Why would I keep you posted regarding any of my lunches with the folks at ND ?
You’re a nobody !
However, I will be happy to share my conversations with NDinNJ.

I think your anti Buchner bias is showing. Kid threw some dimes in second half. His long pick six is a young guy mistake..

300 yards of total offense from Buchner.

Do you think the rbs have success going left to right if the lbs didn't have to watch Buchner?

He dictates what the defense has to do in a way a pocket passer does not.

 

[BGI User 756]

In the MAC

Still waiting for your post where you are happy with the win….

 

[banmate6]

He’s played 2.5 games this year and today was the first time he played in a game in 3 months. Yet he accounted for 5 TD’s and never took the ample opportunities he had to quit. He was pummeled early in this game, turned the ball over and watched several passes get dropped by his receivers. Nobody’s mentioning that btw. Especially the pass to Merriweather. As for poise, accuracy, etc he’s a dual threat QB not the traditional pro style drop back type. However I believe he’s capable of learning much much more before as is said and done.

Fair points. The last sentence is where I have some doubts. I hope but am not convinced Buchner can be a dual threat QB. He seems 1 dimensional to me, a running threat with questions on passing accuracy and judgement.

Let's see.

BTW: I never question the heart and dedication of these kids. Of course they give it their best. But it is a sport and entails criticism and judgment. Just saying the obvious about no ill intent.

 

[burmafrd1943]

I think your anti Buchner bias is showing. Kid threw some dimes in second half. His long pick six is a young guy mistake..

300 yards of total offense from Buchner.

Do you think the rbs have success going left to right if the lbs didn't have to watch Buchner?

He dictates what the defense has to do in a way a pocket passer does not.

your slobbering over Buchner is just as bad.
Love how you morons refuse to talk about the TWO PICK 6's

 

[burmafrd1943]

TB as the starting QB would make for exciting games
But do not expect to defeat many good teams with him

 

[IrishMike409]

Na go with the men you recruited and been grinding for 3 years. All day. I think it’s a big decision as a coach, while players can clearly do as they choose, are you as a coach going to put value on the kids you recruit and develop? OR is it USC mentality? I’d prefer ND sticks with Buchner or at least tells Hartman he’ll need to compete for the job.

I agree…..but let me just ask: when Buchner goes down, do you play and hope Angeli is ready? If you roll with Buchner, the back up has to be ready and a guy you can win with…..

Angeli will be a soph. He should be that guy I suppose.

 

[chaseball]

It doesn't matter who the #2 QB is next year; Buchner + Hartman will both get a lot of reps. I can see them used in a similar role to how Buchner + Coan were used but with Buchner having a bigger role. Basically Hartman being relied upon more in passing situations and Buchner being more relied on in running situations.

If Buchner starts, he's a high risk to get injured any given play, so we'll need a #2 ready. If Hartman starts, Buchner can come in in redzone situations and command the offense or just provide a wrinkle for teams highly susceptible to the RPO.

Buchner showed some promise yesterday + ND closed on Minchey (nice depth prospect), plus we got an early commitment from a borderline 5-star in Carr '24 class, and looking good with the #1 transfer portal prospect in Hartman so the QB room suddenly looks really deep/competent.

 

[TheSodFather]

It doesn't matter who the #2 QB is next year; Buchner + Hartman will both get a lot of reps. I can see them used in a similar role to how Buchner + Coan were used but with Buchner having a bigger role. Basically Hartman being relied more in passing situations and Buchner being more relied in running situations.

If Buchner starts, he's a high risk to get injured any given play, so we'll need a #2 ready. If Hartman starts, Buchner can come in in redzone situations and command the offense or just provide a wrinkle for teams highly susceptible to the RPO.

Buchner showed some promise yesterday + ND closed on Minchey (nice depth prospect), plus we got an early commitment from a borderline 5-star in Carr, and looking good with the #1 transfer portal prospect in Hartman so the QB room suddenly looks really deep/competent.

If Hartman come to ND he is the starter period. He is the most accomplished player to ever enter the portal. He is not transferring here to split time with a fullback with an OK arm.

 

[IrishMike409]

It doesn't matter who the #2 QB is next year; Buchner + Hartman will both get a lot of reps. I can see them used in a similar role to how Buchner + Coan were used but with Buchner having a bigger role. Basically Hartman being relied more in passing situations and Buchner being more relied in running situations.

If Buchner starts, he's a high risk to get injured any given play, so we'll need a #2 ready. If Hartman starts, Buchner can come in in redzone situations and command the offense or just provide a wrinkle for teams highly susceptible to the RPO.

Buchner showed some promise yesterday + ND closed on Minchey (nice depth prospect), plus we got an early commitment from a borderline 5-star in Carr, and looking good with the #1 transfer portal prospect in Hartman so the QB room suddenly looks really deep/competent.

Not sure I love that. Do you trust Rees/MF to really juggle and back and forth that comes with having essentially 2 first team QBs?

And do you think Hartman comes if he’s not guaranteed to start? If I’m him, I go somewhere else.

 

[Tross282003]

I think your anti Buchner bias is showing. Kid threw some dimes in second half. His long pick six is a young guy mistake..

300 yards of total offense from Buchner.

Do you think the rbs have success going left to right if the lbs didn't have to watch Buchner?

He dictates what the defense has to do in a way a pocket passer does not.

I agree with this.

 

[burmafrd1943]

Not sure I love that. Do you trust Rees/MF to really juggle and back and forth that comes with having essentially 2 first team QBs?

And do you think Hartman comes if he’s not guaranteed to start? If I’m him, I go somewhere else.

What did TB show that would scare Hartman?

 

[TheSodFather]

I agree with this.

Yep the entire NFL is looking for the next Lamar Jackson.

No one wants Pat Mahomes or Tom Brady types anymore.

 

[IrishMike409]

What did TB show that would scare Hartman?

5 TDs, 45 points, elite running. When Buchner is in, and the O is “right”, it’s explosive.

 

[TheSodFather]

I guess the most points of the year had nothing to do with an SC turnover and ND rushing for 264 yards and SC’s depleted ranks.

I watched the game yesterday and saw terrible passing, even some of the completions were terrible with the receivers having to make exceptional efforts in order to catch the ball.

Now I don’t possess the ability to see the future like you do, so I can only judge by what I actually see, and yesterday I saw a very poor passing performance. You can make all the excuses you want and you can be in denial all you want, the fact is that yesterday’s passing performance was mediocre at best, poor if you’re objective.

Why would I keep you posted regarding any of my lunches with the folks at ND ?
You’re a nobody !
However, I will be happy to share my conversations with NDinNJ.

Im not really sure I would call most of it mediocre. How anyone saw anything encouraging from that passing performance yesterday is truly baffling?

 

[Tross282003]

The heart of the team next year will be the RBs and the offensive line. A dual threat QB that can beat you with his legs and arm will fit the team next year better than a pure pro style QB. TB accounted for five tds yesterday two his legs and three with his arm. They only stopped us from scoring a TD in the red zone twice yesterday I believe and the pick 6 in the end zone was just a terrible play call that was poorly executed.

 

[TheSodFather]

The heart of the team next year will be the RBs and the offensive line. A dual threat QB that can beat you with his legs and arm will fit the team next year better than a pure pro style QB. TB accounted for five tds yesterday two his legs and three with his arm. They only stopped us from scoring a TD in the red zone twice yesterday I believe and the pick 6 in the end zone was just a terrible play call that was poorly executed.

And yet the outcome of the game was a 50/50 toss up right down to the last minute solely because of the extreme bad side of Buchners play.

The good from a passing standpoint was not that good, but the bad was outright terrible.

 

[chaseball]

Not sure I love that. Do you trust Rees/MF to really juggle and back and forth that comes with having essentially 2 first team QBs?

And do you think Hartman comes if he’s not guaranteed to start? If I’m him, I go somewhere else.

Rees did it with a lesser prospect in Coan and a greener prospect in Buchner 2 years ago and almost made the playoff. Is it ideal? Not really, but you do what you gotta do to compete at an elite level with less than elite players.

Hartman is a nice piece to add to the roster but i doubt he's being promised a starting job. He put up some really nice numbers but with the caveat that it was against crappy ACC competition. He's also just a limited player physically/athletically or he would be more than a late-round NFL prospect.

 

[Golson5]

If Hartman come to ND he is the starter period. He is the most accomplished player to ever enter the portal. He is not transferring here to split time with a fullback with an OK arm.

No guarantee he is the starter. And hes far from tge best transfer portal QB.

 

[Get Nasty]

I left the game worse off on Buchner than before

His inaccuracy and poor decision making were alarming. Buchner didn’t start looking good until we were able to run it for about 10ypc

People aren’t realizing how bad that SC D was with over half their starters and other key reserves out

 

[TheSodFather]

No guarantee he is the starter. And hes far from tge best transfer portal QB.

He's the starter as soon as he announces.

I'm not really sure what you are missing here?

You always have the risk of injury in practice or the Blue and Gold game I suppose.

 

[Get Nasty]

He's the starter as soon as he announces.

I'm not really sure what you are missing here?

You always have the risk of injury in practice or the Blue and Gold game I suppose.

Yep, Hartman starting is no brainer…. Buchner had no competition only having to beat pyne out…. Now with minchey and Hartman then carr he’ll either have to learn how to throw accurately or get passed up

 

[NDDadx3]

No guarantee he is the starter. And hes far from tge best transfer portal QB.

I believe he is the highest rated QB in the portal but I don’t know how reputable those ratings are. Personally I love the idea is Hartman but we understand the hesitation, he’s a system guy and he’s has several meltdown moments in big games … was a disaster in the ACCCG last year vs Pitt

 

[mirer03]

Ok let's do it slapnurs.

your slobbering over Buchner is just as bad.
Love how you morons refuse to talk about the TWO PICK 6's

1st pick six was a tipped ball because fisher didn't stay engaged. Happens to every QB in the land has nothing to do with Buchner.

2nd pick six was a young QB losing A linebacker. He didn't force the ball, he made a bad read. In year five he throws that one away

Ok now you go. Hartman 7 picks in three games.

Go.

 

[mirer03]

The bigger discussion no one is having is offensive potential under Buchner.

If we average 20-30 pts like with Pyne, we are going 8-4 maybe 9-3.

Averaging 30-34 points like with book or coan we are a playoff team.

With a QB that can facilitate the run the way Buchner does and get 200-300 passing yards ND can average 35-40 points. It's a significant difference, that is only possible because of his dual threat nature. Can we take that next step... That is what the coaches see.

Will he throw picks? Yup.
Will he have lower completion % most likely.

Will he offset with chunk runs? Yes
Will he score more pts? Likely
and win more? Again most likely.

There is no doubt that Rees and mf see this. It's about manufacturing chunk plays to get points.