Admit it. You want BK to fail at LSU.

[4-4-3]

I never liked BK for his stubbornness, arrogance, and what I consider to be occasional gimmick football. But I grudgingly concede he evolved, doing less game day play calling, becoming an especially good program manager. Bringing ND up to speed in every dimension of football support.

My take is BK lacked a certain charisma to inspire. Hence some prominent blowups. However, something I bring up, he still couldn't change the fact that ND has standards preventing a talent build up to be top 3.

All in all, BK did well. It was horrible under every coach since Holtz. BK brought ND into being relevant, withstanding we want NCs, which he cannot be blamed for without the necessary talent.

So I wish him success for a selfish reason: if he wins a NC at LSU, it will put more pressure on ND to change.

I never really LIKED Kelly, but I came to RESPECT him for doing what he did -- as I like to put it -- despite having to wear ND's patented ANKLE WEIGHTS.

He brought the program back to RESPECTABILITY which given the circumstances of how ND operates, was an accomplishment in itself, especially since his three predecessors had FAILED SO MISERABLY.

And kudos to you for your final sentence:

"So I wish him success for a selfish reason: if he wins a NC at LSU, it will put more pressure on ND to change."

On THAT, I couldn't agree more. In fact, I'm ALL IN on LSU as long as they're not playing ND. They've always been by favorite SEC team, and so they will remain.

 

[Chitown11]

I'd love to see the arrogant D-bag go 0-12 and they run his clown a$$ out of cajun country.

 

[francade]

I admit it, I hope he loses every game. He didn’t have to leave the way he did. Any ND fan that’s rooting for him is weird. Jmo

 

[mirer03]

BK better than current coaching staff at: experience, game management, play calling, player development, executing/administrating an entire program

BK worse at: recruiting

Kelly did a great job at ncsu throwing 30 times in the rain

I also like how he had to bring in specialists on d to be able to be navy because he couldn't coach against the option

Player development? Besides not being able to judge the current staff on this yet, this is a laughably bad take. How many transfers because of Kelly? Out slot wr was learning how to get off press coverages via YouTube because our coaches weren't teaching it. Mike Sanford ruined our highest rated QB of the last 12 years.

Player development was NOT great under Kelly. Taking 4 years to get the guys on the field is average at best.

 

[d1042]

Oh! Just for the record!

BK DID FAIL! 12 years and No National Championship at ND! That was his mission statement/goal at the time of his hiring! In fact he never even won a playoff game! Mark him as ‘failed’.

 

[IRISHWON-1]

Hate Brian Kelly? Simply not true! I appreciate his efforts and teams while at ND. However like most I've moved on. Given time I think he will win at LSU. I'm SO APPRECIATIVE we chose coach Freeman. Our program has new energy and focus on recruiting. No more talking about our limitations & more talk about our benefits and the kids. Keep the faith.

 

[d1042]

Hate Brian Kelly? Simply not true! I appreciate his efforts and teams while at ND. However like most I've moved on. Given time I think he will win at LSU. I'm SO APPRECIATIVE we chose coach Freeman. Our program has new energy and focus on recruiting. No more talking about our limitations & more talk about our benefits and the kids. Keep the faith.

protecting BK ?

 

[HotCarNut]

I never liked BK for his stubbornness, arrogance, and what I consider to be occasional gimmick football. But I grudgingly concede he evolved, doing less game day play calling, becoming an especially good program manager. Bringing ND up to speed in every dimension of football support.

My take is BK lacked a certain charisma to inspire. Hence some prominent blowups. However, something I bring up, he still couldn't change the fact that ND has standards preventing a talent build up to be top 3.

All in all, BK did well. It was horrible under every coach since Holtz. BK brought ND into being relevant, withstanding we want NCs, which he cannot be blamed for without the necessary talent.

So I wish him success for a selfish reason: if he wins a NC at LSU, it will put more pressure on ND to change.

I agree with everything up to the last point. I don't think the powers-that-be at ND will bow to any form of pressure, and certainly not from a school they don't believe to be in their stratosphere from an academic or prestige perspective. They've made investments in the various sports programs that make sense, but the administration has never sought to be on the leading edge in any area. They certainly won't lower the academic standards further, although I DO believe they will probably do something about transfers given the portal. They probably WILL look further at nutrition and dietetics for ALL of the athletic programs as those benefits can be worked into the offerings in all of the dining halls as well for the general student population.

 

[HotCarNut]

I never really LIKED Kelly, but I came to RESPECT him for doing what he did -- as I like to put it -- despite having to wear ND's patented ANKLE WEIGHTS.

He brought the program back to RESPECTABILITY which given the circumstances of how ND operates, was an accomplishment in itself, especially since his three predecessors had FAILED SO MISERABLY.

And kudos to you for your final sentence:

"So I wish him success for a selfish reason: if he wins a NC at LSU, it will put more pressure on ND to change."

On THAT, I couldn't agree more. In fact, I'm ALL IN on LSU as long as they're not playing ND. They've always been by favorite SEC team, and so they will remain.

ND's "ankle weights" don't seem to be hobbling Freeman too much - after all, the only real limiting factor ever cited is in recruiting. Taking a look at Freeman's first two classes, both are on pace to be better than ANY during Kelly's 12 years. ND will probably need to win a playoff game (not necessarily a natty) to leap up on the lists of more 5* guys, and seeing Buchner and Carr succeed in the passing game to get more skill guys interested to truly be on-par with Bama, OSU, etc. However, the academic standards don't really seem to be an issue with a coach who is relatable and passionate about recruiting.

Seems to me, in this regard Kelly was the real "ankle weight" on the program...

 

[francade]

Excellent post, nut! Spot on

 

[NDinNJ]

Actually I'm rooting for him to win a Natty. That will show that he is a good coach but just had impediments at ND.

He had zero impediments. MF will disprove this myth.

 

[NDinNJ]

I just want him to be him and watch the fire burn. LSU won't put up with his schtick more than three years

I don't know. The guaranteed 90 million may give Kelly a couple of extra years. I say 5-6 max

 

[NDinNJ]

I disagree to some extent.

I think after 12 years it became clear to everybody at ND -- including the admins -- that BK didn't have the ceiling/upside at ND to win it all. Just because BK ultimately left on his own accord doesn't mean that ND wasn't quietly pushing him out the door/quietly content -- or even happy -- about him leaving.

Exactly! I've pushed employees that weren't working out for whatever reason out many times. Not too difficult to do.

With Kelly it was obvious, they were holding/stalling on his requests for a chef, and other things he wanted for the program. Swarbrick mentioned that Kelly had become frustrated. All of this stems from the powers that be were looking to push him out. I just believe they weren't expecting it to happen as quickly as it did and it caught them a bit off guard.

 

[Bodizephax]

they will take him into the woodshed and, well this is a family forum!

I hear Banjo music while reading your post. Squeal fat boy! Squeel!

 

[HarlemIrish]

He had zero impediments. MF will disprove this myth.

Well he failed his first test. I’ll see at the completion of year 3 what we got with MF.

 

[banmate6]

Ok so then you're saying Brian Kelly is the greatest of coaches...right?
Since these other schools as you claim just get so much more talent according to you yet somehow Brian Kelly managed to upcoach the lowly ND football player to be in a position to beat Georgia...twice. I mean how in the hell could that even be possible? Brian and his coaching is just that incredible, eh?

Get out of here with that horseshit.

Here's your ****ing data...
When the sideline matters most like in a month prep time he falls on his face. Not a prediction actual real fact.
It happened! Once? Nah. Every single time BK's teams were playing a major bowl or playoff no matter his employer.

The gap isn't of talent isn't nowhere as despair as you imply but when Brian Kelly was coaching it was miles apart from the top teams.

Remember...
Our players can't suddenly play with top teams in the regular season but then somehow get slower, weaker, less athletic with a month prep time. Doesn't work that way.

You draw conclusions not supported by what I wrote. I didn't say CBK is the greatest of coaches. But rather that he was very good, bringing ND into prominence.

And yes, the data supports this, as well as the fact that he often fell short in big games against elite opponents. Sometimes by huge margins. Sometimes by less. But the pattern is clear enough: losses against the elite when the opportunity comes, which CBK had more of than previous coaches after Holtz.

It doesn't take sophisticated analysis. ND hasn't won a NC since 1988. That alone is a massive statement of something deeper than just coaching. It's a secular change in college football overall, especially in getting top players in necessary depth.

As to coaching, why doesn't ND get a Saban, Carroll, or Meyer in their prime. Meyer could have stepped up, used to say he'd like to coach at ND, but never did. I interpret this as top coaches wanting to win a NC avoiding ND.

I will keep going back to history. I know what I saw back in the day with ND vs now. Back then ND had the swagger and instilled fear...not the other way around. It comes down to players. I'm with Holtz on that.

 

[banmate6]

I agree with everything up to the last point. I don't think the powers-that-be at ND will bow to any form of pressure, and certainly not from a school they don't believe to be in their stratosphere from an academic or prestige perspective. They've made investments in the various sports programs that make sense, but the administration has never sought to be on the leading edge in any area. They certainly won't lower the academic standards further, although I DO believe they will probably do something about transfers given the portal. They probably WILL look further at nutrition and dietetics for ALL of the athletic programs as those benefits can be worked into the offerings in all of the dining halls as well for the general student population.

We're pretty much in agreement.

I'd like ND to give full academic accommodation, but agree with you it won't happen.

It is what it is.

 

[HarlemIrish]

He had zero impediments. MF will disprove this myth.

21 point favorites

 

[NDinNJ]

21 point favorites

I'll admit my comment isn't aging well.

 

[d1042]

wow! now I really want him to fail!

 

[HarlemIrish]

I'll admit my comment isn't aging well.

Start drinking. Haha.