Admit it. You want BK to fail at LSU.

[ftnfan62]

Hard to compare the games. LSU was playing a home game. LSU was playing with a senior QB. LSU was playing an unranked team that is picked number #5 in the ACC.

ND is playing away. ND is playing a new QB. ND is playing a Heisman Fav QB. OSU is picked as a CFP contender.

If history is our guide, at some point BK will have LSU to a contender. Jury is out on MF until we see it BUT, past first time coaches have not faired well. It would be a break from history at ND.

Gut, not history tells me MF has something special to be the first. Been there. Connected. Gets it.

BK will be fine, no tears for him from me. I don’t like SEC teams or BK so I root for all of them to go 0-12

 

[edub72]

So Kelly loses to an ACC team in his debut. I have a feeling the middle of the road SEC teams will be better than Florida St. I just see Kelly losing 2-4 games every year.

 

[d1042]

why is no one mentioning the absolutely bone head play by FSU on the 2 yard line when they only needed a FG to ensure victory but incredibly used a QB pitch to the RB! Fumbles missed pitch! Beyond stupid and dumb!

 

[ftnfan62]

I thought Dunbar was a booster who was having affairs with players and maybe helping them scalp tickets.

In the vacated wins case, my memory is it was a female manager/trainer who was dating one of the players (Daniels?) and she wrote papers for several of them. They were caught and kicked out of school for a year.

ND reported it to the NCAA, which investigated it to determine whether or not the manager/trainer should be considered a university representative, which would make it a violation of NCAA rules.

After a very lengthy investigation, the NCAA announced that going forward, such cases would be considered a violation because the manager/trainer was just another student, not a tutor or other academic representative of the university.

ND breathed a sigh of relief, and then the NCAA, in its ultimate wisdom, announced that ND would be sanctioned for a violation.

Meanwhile, North Carolina, which steered black athletes to no-show classes and committed other acts of academic fraud as a university, was not punished because the fraudulent activity was not just limited to scholarship athletes, but available to the entire student body.

The NCAA is a complete and utter joke.

Two scandals. One under Lou (Dunbar). There where no vacated wins. They did have to disband the QB club which was the booster program. Dunbar was dating a player and giving money. We now call that NIL. 😎

The second under BK. A student trainer on the team was also tutoring and helping players cheat on tests. The university self reported it and made the player’s ineligible to play but where on the team still during the investigation. Innocent until proven guilty. The NCAA rules guilty until proven innocent and vacated BK’s 2012 and 2013 wins. 21 of them. This puts BK 5th on the winningest coaching list behind Ara and 4 ahead of Leahy

 

[ftnfan62]

Thanks. I am curious how the NCAA even found out, why it didn't stay internal.

ND self reported it....got rewarded....should have went the UNC route.

 

[Harry Hondo]

Kelly could end up being another Bret Bielema who routinely had 10 win seasons at Wisconsin and abruptly left for Arkansas, because he thought he could win big in the SEC. He lasted a few years and came crawling back to the big ten. Only this is probably Kelly’s last stop. If he doesn’t play for a natty after year 3 LSU will replace him.

 

[IrishBeer]

He was moaning about ND in the pre game interview once again. He can’t let us go.

 

[HarlemIrish]

Just admit it!

Actually I'm rooting for him to win a Natty. That will show that he is a good coach but just had impediments at ND.

 

[mwjourney]

I'll admit I wanted LSU to lose most of the game but when FSU went to the three man rush for LSU's last drive, I stopped caring as they gave up what seemed like a first down every play. Any team that goes into that type of prevent defense deserves whatever they get. They just got lucky that LSU's special teams blocking was so bad.

 

[DublinND]

why is no one mentioning the absolutely bone head play by FSU on the 2 yard line when they only needed a FG to ensure victory but incredibly used a QB pitch to the RB! Fumbles missed pitch! Beyond stupid and dumb!

Unbelievably stupid

 

[HDK]

He was moaning about ND in the pre game interview once again. He can’t let us go.

What did he say?

 

[d1042]

What did he say?

complained that no one would dance with him!

 

[88ND]

Just admit it!

I don't give a **** what he does at LSU.

I know what he could NOT do here nor at Cincinnati.

If he wins...ok.
If he doesn't...ok.

He couldn't win here and that's all that matters.

 

[4-4-3]

You have all the answers. If it's that simple, why couldn't the coaches figure it out? Maybe he'll turn out to be a decent QB. But I wasn't impressed with him last year when he got playing time, and nothing impressed me about him last night. Even that seam route that he hit on the TD drive wasn't that great of a pass.

I hear you and am still trying to figure out what all of the HOOPLA is about.

Talent-wise, creativity-wise, mobility-wise and accuracy-wise, I watched TWO QB's I'd prefer in last night's FSU/LSU game.

I also think people should go back and look at footage of Brandon Wimbush running. He ran a 4.4 40 vs. Buchner's 4.6 or 4.7 and had numerous SPECTACULAR GAMES. I don't see Buchner as any better -- or more likely even as good as -- THAT KID.

Here are Wimbush's 207 yds. rushing BC game, his 226 total yds. USC game and his 390 total yds. Wake games.

Wimbush -- BC

Wimbush -- USC

Wimbush -- Wake Forest

If THIS is what people expect of Buchner, GREAT!

But that's the bar.

Can he meet it?

We'll see.

 

[4-4-3]

First coach to leave ND in 100 years. Elite coach with low character. He had 20 games vacated that moved ND’s all time winning % out of number one. He did not win a Natty or a major bowl. I don’t root against him, I only root for ND. I just wish ND would have dumped him sooner. 5 years seems enough to know. He averaged almost 5 losses a year through 2016 at 4-8.

Don't fret the vacated losses. No stat sites pay any attention to them, even when they cite them. It's all BS.

I remember when OU forfeited one of its entire early 70's seasons. It went away VERY FAST.

Even before the OSU game, the ESPN team cited the fact that the game was taking place between the two winningest programs.

 

[4-4-3]

I disagree to some extent.

I think after 12 years it became clear to everybody at ND -- including the admins -- that BK didn't have the ceiling/upside at ND to win it all. Just because BK ultimately left on his own accord doesn't mean that ND wasn't quietly pushing him out the door/quietly content -- or even happy -- about him leaving.

I think it's complicated.

First, I think it was more a case of BK finally GIVING UP ON ND rather than vice-versa, knowing as he did that the combination of the portal, NIL and ND's -- let's call it -- RESTRICTED M.O. would never allow him ENOUGH TRACTION to win an NC.

Second, that said, ND has a history of "pushing out" coaches who ostensibly resign. They do it by NOT ACCEDING TO THEIR REQUESTS to make the program LESS RESTRICTIVE. My sense from what I've read is that this happened with BOTH Leahy and Holtz, and my guess is that it was a factor in BK leaving as well.

In all walks, many quit who don't get the deal they want. Are they being fired? No. But are they being "let go?" Absolutely.

With ND, it's THEIR WAY or the HIGHWAY.

 

[BGI User 756]

He was moaning about ND in the pre game interview once again. He can’t let us go.

What did he say…missed it

 

[IrishBeer]

Something along the lines of LSU gives me the resources to win. It’s the same grumbling he’s made about ND for years and particularly as of late.

 

[chaseball]

I think if ND was super happy with the BK era they would have signed another coach of similar ilk (like Luke Fickell) but instead they went in an entirely different direction instead with the Marcus Freeman hire. I think ND administrators FINALLY realized how important it is to have a coach/culture that is all about relating to young super talented athletes and MF is that dude.

 

[88ND]

I think it's complicated.

First, I think it was more a case of BK finally GIVING UP ON ND rather than vice-versa, knowing as he did that the combination of the portal, NIL and ND's -- let's call it -- RESTRICTED M.O. would never allow him ENOUGH TRACTION to win an NC.

Second, that said, ND has a history of "pushing out" coaches who ostensibly resign. They do it by NOT ACCEDING TO THEIR REQUESTS to make the program LESS RESTRICTIVE. My sense from what I've read is that this happened with BOTH Leahy and Holtz, and my guess is that it was a factor in BK leaving as well.

In all walks, many quit who don't get the deal they want. Are they being fired? No. But are they being "let go?" Absolutely.

With ND, it's THEIR WAY or the HIGHWAY.

I think you're leaving out a huge factor...

It's NOT an easy place to coach.
Ten years feels like 25 at other places.
Coaches don't age well at ND.

It's not a coincidence that all successful coaches at ND lasted a tad over a decade.
Rockne 13
Leahy 11
Ara 11
Holtz 11

Devine was 9-0-1 and ranked #2 when he said he'd leave ND to spend more family time.
5 years

That's not by design nor does ND have term limits. It's simply an energy, cerebral sapping place to keep trucking well over a decade.

 

[88ND]

I think if ND was super happy with the BK era they would have signed another coach of similar ilk (like Luke Fickell) but instead they went in an entirely different direction instead with the Marcus Freeman hire. I think ND administrators FINALLY realized how important it is to have a coach/culture that is all about relating to young super talented athletes and MF is that dude.

Maybe...but you still have to do the job.

No doubt he's building excitement that I haven't seen since Holtz.
Think of the talent he picked up in a short span.
We haven't had a Rocket type player since ...the Rocket was here.
Matter of fact our lack of explosive perimeter playmakimg is killing us over the last couple decades.

MF is building something and has incredible enthusiasm right now. Momentum is rolling but he has to start winning. Winning breeds success and he has to start winning.

 

[88ND]

BK won't have to work that hard on the recruiting trail since that entire state is loaded with elite talent who all dream of playing for the LSU Tigers. That program recruits itself.

I think he competes for national titles in 2-3 years, because outside of being an average recruiter (which is a BIG Achilles' heel), he's elite in pretty much every other facet of head coaching/running a program.

It's a great match for BK and LSU.

No he's pretty lousy in those "the moment" games

When you play another team that just gets players by osmosis you still have to coach them up and get an edge.
That's his absolute worst trait.

Month prep time and major bowls and playoffs are an embarrassing bloodbath.

All of his ended that way. Every single one!

 

[88ND]

I could have stated it more clearly that I wish ND would have moved on sooner.

It’s probably hind sight now as I supported BK prior but if you really look at his tenure and take emotions out of it he did not have many accomplishments outside of beating the teams he should.

Truth right here

He beat most teams he should after 2016

Was miles from good teams especially with good coaching.

 

[88ND]

I hear you and am still trying to figure out what all of the HOOPLA is about.

Talent-wise, creativity-wise, mobility-wise and accuracy-wise, I watched TWO QB's I'd prefer in last night's FSU/LSU game.

I also think people should go back and look at footage of Brandon Wimbush running. He ran a 4.4 40 vs. Buchner's 4.6 or 4.7 and had numerous SPECTACULAR GAMES. I don't see Buchner as any better -- or more likely even as good as -- THAT KID.

Here are Wimbush's 207 yds. rushing BC game, his 226 total yds. USC game and his 390 total yds. Wake games.

Wimbush -- BC

Wimbush -- USC

Wimbush -- Wake Forest

If THIS is what people expect of Buchner, GREAT!

But that's the bar.

Can he meet it?

We'll see.

His passing didn't impress me last year...
It didn't impress the coaches last year....

You must throw to beat top teams in college today.
That pass down the seem was terrible. That was a Wimbush signature series pass right there.

Near the player but adjustment kills any big gain.

I'm confident he's more accurate than Wimbush as he couldn't hit the ocean from the pier.....but....

So here is our issue with Buchner, one of many. There’s no room from him to run if you don’t have multiple wrs and yes running downfield taking away defenders near LOS… we ran short dinky routes 80% of the time so osu defenders were everywhere. If we had 3-4 players downfield Buchner has to beat one person for a 30+ yard gain

Aaahhhh...

Sound familiar and exactly what I harped on. Will Rees be Brian Kelly 2.0?
From a passing perspective indeed.

That didn't hurt us against OSU.

Rees inability to sense #7 was punishing tacklers and he never went back to him.

The three yard average becomes 6 yards in the 4th.

Rees doesn't understand power football apparently because it's the new trendy scat back as the flavor of the week.

#7 tongue would be dragging after that game by any competent coach and we leave Columbus with a win.


N
O
P
E

3 yard curl and sit routes...

Buchner thinks he's a tailback

Those track cleats are going to hurt him...

Can't throw deep accurately...

Can't really throw accurately any place...

Rees ...again Rees....

No sense of feel whatsoever.

We need an old codger who appreciates power football and a new line coach who gets them playing good as a group. I don't care if we have a 1st rounder or not. Don't mean shit when nobody blocks certain people several times in the game.

Lack of communication? How? They are beside each other . Yell out I got 51. It's no mystery he knows someone is blocking him.

Except in three instances we didn't touch him at all.


Pathetic.

Amatuer hour again.

Golden is a good coach.

Thats it

 

[4-4-3]

I think if ND was super happy with the BK era they would have signed another coach of similar ilk (like Luke Fickell) but instead they went in an entirely different direction instead with the Marcus Freeman hire. I think ND administrators FINALLY realized how important it is to have a coach/culture that is all about relating to young super talented athletes and MF is that dude.

Interesting take.

And that's EXACTLY what the Yankees said when they let Joe Girardi go in favor of the more "PLAYER-ORIENTED" Aaron Boone.

But, so far, Boone hasn't delivered a WS victory or even made it to the SHOW at all. And right now, his team could wind up TAILSPINNNING itself right out of winning the AL East after amassing a 16-game lead and playing at a 120 win pace up until the season's halfway mark.

My son's take -- which I see more as a working hypothesis -- is that both the Yankees and ND are willing to settle for BRAND MAINTENANCE even at the cost of a title. In the case of the Yankees, they don't have to EMPTY THEIR WALLETS. And in ND's case, it doesn't have to violate any of its self-imposed, morally-determined, student-athlete "values."

If a championship comes along, ALL WELL AND GOOD. They'll TAKE IT, no question. But if it doesn't, the QUEST continues, the cash keeps flowing and interest UNTO LONGING is preserved indefinitely, even as they get to run their teams on their OWN PREFERRED TERMS.

But the key is the MONEY FLOW. And all you need to keep that happening is to STAY CLOSE to the uppermost TIER.

Look how Red Sox fans sanctified the CURSE into a rallying symbol for all of New England. And Chicagoans did the same with the Billy Goat. Neither team won for DECADES, but were there more RABID FANS to be found ANYWHERE?

Plenty of Ka-Ching in that.

As for Freeman being some kind of new generation "cultural awareness coach," we'll see. But as I recall it, ND had its back to the wall, and what it needed most in that moment was someone to PLUG A HOLE in a seriously leaking dike. And in its haste, it also seemed willing to take its cues from its PLAYERS. Were they the most qualified to acclaim Freeman the next head coach?

Again, we'll see.

But to see ND as having a) encouraged Kelly to slip away because of his supposedly unacceptable DEFICIENCIES while b) taking on Freeman on the basis of some enlightened CULTURAL FORESIGHT sounds more to me like something SCRIPTED after the fact by a PR FIRM, not to mention presuming more intentionality on ND's part than may be warranted.

In other words, while it's a LOVELY NARRATIVE, is it TRUE?

Because if Kelly had simply been content with the status quo, NONE OF THIS AT ALL WOULD HAVE HAPPENED.

As for ND itself, as someone said somewhere else in another thread, it would have no problem with going 10-2 -- or with the CASH FLOW that would produce -- every year ad infinitum. And with THAT, I would AGREE in a heartbeat.

 

[4-4-3]

I think you're leaving out a huge factor...

It's NOT an easy place to coach.
Ten years feels like 25 at other places.
Coaches don't age well at ND.

It's not a coincidence that all successful coaches at ND lasted a tad over a decade.
Rockne 13
Leahy 11
Ara 11
Holtz 11

Devine was 9-0-1 and ranked #2 when he said he'd leave ND to spend more family time.
5 years

That's not by design nor does ND have term limits. It's simply an energy, cerebral sapping place to keep trucking well over a decade.

Good point, but then why go to LSU?

Kelly looked like he could have had a heart attack last night. I'd seen him stressed out on the ND sidelines, but seldom if ever like THAT. He's making BIG, BIG money now. I'd argue he's under GREATER PRESSURE than he was at ND where he'd pretty much figured out how to deliver 10-win seasons.

He's now no kid, and look what he still has to do. Reinvent himself while teaching LSU how to win according to his SYSTEM. No easy task. And if he thought two 8-5 seasons were a tough way to start at ND, God help him if he repeats that in Baton Rouge.

No, I don't think it was the pressure or his length of service at ND. Kelly is a PROUD GUY who has a STRONG PERSONAL MANDATE TO SUCCEED. He wants to win an NC. And he finally realized that IT WASN'T HAPPENING AT ND. And for ALL OF THE REASONS EVERYONE KNOWS.

So, he's giving it ONE LAST SHOT.

To me, it's a GUTSY MOVE, and I hope he makes it. Not at ND's expense, of course, though I doubt that would happen.

I have NO BEEF with Brian Kelly, and I sincerely believe that if ND ran its program like other major powers, he could have won an NC there and might still be its coach.

 

[4-4-3]

His passing didn't impress me last year...
It didn't impress the coaches last year....

You must throw to beat top teams in college today.
That pass down the seem was terrible. That was a Wimbush signature series pass right there.

Near the player but adjustment kills any big gain.

I'm confident he's more accurate than Wimbush as he couldn't hit the ocean from the pier.....but....

Aaahhhh...

Sound familiar and exactly what I harped on. Will Rees be Brian Kelly 2.0?
From a passing perspective indeed.

That didn't hurt us against OSU.

Rees inability to sense #7 was punishing tacklers and he never went back to him.

The three yard average becomes 6 yards in the 4th.

Rees doesn't understand power football apparently because it's the new trendy scat back as the flavor of the week.

#7 tongue would be dragging after that game by any competent coach and we leave Columbus with a win.


N
O
P
E

3 yard curl and sit routes...

Buchner thinks he's a tailback

Those track cleats are going to hurt him...

Can't throw deep accurately...

Can't really throw accurately any place...

Rees ...again Rees....

No sense of feel whatsoever.

We need an old codger who appreciates power football and a new line coach who gets them playing good as a group. I don't care if we have a 1st rounder or not. Don't mean shit when nobody blocks certain people several times in the game.

Lack of communication? How? They are beside each other . Yell out I got 51. It's no mystery he knows someone is blocking him.

Except in three instances we didn't touch him at all.


Pathetic.

Amatuer hour again.

Golden is a good coach.

Thats it

ND was again OVERMATCHED. Not embarrassingly but CERTAINLY when the GAME WAS ON THE LINE. After OSU started working over its midsection, ND DIDN'T ANSWER THE BELL.

Looked to me like the D had reached its PHYSICAL LIMITS, while the O reminded me a lot of Willingham's 2002 unit. The one where Pat Dillingham served as temporary starting QB as there was no one else.

I was also reminded of the Gary Godsey QB game against Purdue under Davie. In each of these games, including the OSU game, ND had 11 offensive players out there, but it felt like actually 8 or 9. Like it wasn't a FULLY OUTFITTED offense.

I'm sure things will improve, but the question is TO WHAT EXTENT.

You can't live by D alone.

 

[francade]

Did the serial pontificator just say that he’d love to have LSU’s qb & lament not having wimbush back? Lmao. He was dreadful the entire game until they went prevent on the last two series. The know it all that knows nothing.

 

[banmate6]

I never liked BK for his stubbornness, arrogance, and what I consider to be occasional gimmick football. But I grudgingly concede he evolved, doing less game day play calling, becoming an especially good program manager. Bringing ND up to speed in every dimension of football support.

My take is BK lacked a certain charisma to inspire. Hence some prominent blowups. However, something I bring up, he still couldn't change the fact that ND has standards preventing a talent build up to be top 3.

All in all, BK did well. It was horrible under every coach since Holtz. BK brought ND into being relevant, withstanding we want NCs, which he cannot be blamed for without the necessary talent.

So I wish him success for a selfish reason: if he wins a NC at LSU, it will put more pressure on ND to change.

 

[mirer03]

I just want him to be him and watch the fire burn. LSU won't put up with his schtick more than three years

 

[88ND]

I just want him to be him and watch the fire burn. LSU won't put up with his schtick more than three years

Why though? Why give a shit what he does? He's not our problem any longer ( six years too late ) but we don't have to deal with his inadequacies no more.

I only want LSU to win or lose if it somehow helps ND.
That's in complete lieu of Brian Kelly. Polling..playoffs...whatever...if it helps us that's my only interest.

 

[Golson5]

Why though? Why give a shit what he does? He's not our problem any longer ( six years too late ) but we don't have to deal with his inadequacies no more.

I only want LSU to win or lose if it somehow helps ND.
That's in complete lieu of Brian Kelly. Polling..playoffs...whatever...if it helps us that's my only interest.

Good for you. Others want to see him fail

 

[Harpo Marxist]

"wanting BK to fail" is low hanging fruit...picked by BK himself. I could care less how he's doing...and will probably barely notice when his replacement is named in a couple of years. On the flip side....Notre Dame and 'big game victory" continue to be mutually exclusive. Thats the sad reminder.

 

[88ND]

I never liked BK for his stubbornness, arrogance, and what I consider to be occasional gimmick football. But I grudgingly concede he evolved, doing less game day play calling, becoming an especially good program manager. Bringing ND up to speed in every dimension of football support.

This only came after the 2016 debacle.
Sonething the other coaches were not afforded...time...is what helped BK. He figured out ND no longer recruits itself. The brand still recruits itself to some degree but not it's entirety. You still have to work very hard at it. Weis and Willingham were not afforded long stays to right the ship and figure this out.
Brian Kelly can thank Charlie Weis and his billion dollars he got paid after being fired for the extra long leash given.

My take is BK lacked a certain charisma to inspire. Hence some prominent blowups. However, something I bring up, he still couldn't change the fact that ND has standards preventing a talent build up to be top 3.

Quit making excuses for his inadequacies. You're being completely disrespectful to the players of ND and honestly the student athlete abroad. Implying you can't be good if you're smart and or dumb players can only be good athletes.
#1 that's utter bullshit and #2 that's not the truth.
ND can't recruit every single player but don't act like the football players must abide by the exact admission standards of the regular student. They don't.
Tell me how many players can't attend ND that are All american athletes at other schools.
Moreover I've got great examples that obliterate your stance on admissions.
If we're so athlete devoid then we had no business being in a position to win the following...

@ Tallahassee against Winston

Home and away against Georgia both could've and should've been won by us...

@ Clemson against Watson and company

All games against the best that had huge settings and all could've been won.

The problem is him. He gives absolutely positively no edge to his team over the other sideline. None whatsoever.

The above were all in the regular season with normal prep time.

With a month to prepare those games are embarrassing.

Our players don't suddenly go from being able to hang with the best of teams to then slower, weaker and less athletic with one month to prepare.

Good coaches take advantage of that month prep time covering all basis and using new plays...anythinh to get an edge.

Brian Kelly practices our infamous east west run plays and screen passes. No new formations. No new wrinkles.
You're right about his arrogance for sure!!

All in all, BK did well. It was horrible under every coach since Holtz. BK brought ND into being relevant, withstanding we want NCs, which he cannot be blamed for without the necessary talent.

Compared to? Willingham and Weis? They weren't afforded any do-over years like BK was and ND was never going to be paying two coaches large sums of money who they no longer employed.

Where would you put Gerry Faust compared to Brian Kelly?
He had a better win than Brian Kelly ever had.
Gerry Faust had worse records collectively but he also played ridiculously much tougher schedules than Brian Kelly was afforded. Much tougher.

I'd bet that if you give Brian Kelly the schedules Gerry Faust had BK has a few more 4-8 seasons. I promise you that.

The perennial top teams in CFB during the Faust era were
Penn State
Pitt
Miami
USC
LSU/Michigan weren't at the top but decently ranked...

He played them all.

When?

Basically every year.

Brian Kelly never ever had to play schedules like that.

I'm confident you'd think a tad differently if he had played Faust's schedules.

 

[88ND]

Good for you. Others want to see him fail

LOL..

Alrighty....

You who told the board weekly Brian Kelly was going to take us to the title just watch.

That was the weekly mantra from you.

Now...low and behold...it seems trendy to dislike him. You love following the flavor of the week and month so I guess you dislike him now.

He is in your Graceland...the SEC... so I'm sure it just has you at all sorts of odds.

 

[Golson5]

LOL..

Alrighty....

You who told the board weekly Brian Kelly was going to take us to the title just watch.

That was the weekly mantra from you.

Now...low and behold...it seems trendy to dislike him. You love following the flavor of the week and month so I guess you dislike him now.

He is in your Graceland...the SEC... so I'm sure it just has you at all sorts of odds.

I said I thought he could take us to a title. He didn't. He packed it in last season and he showed low character the way he left. Now I hope he fails.

And he will because the sec is much tougher than what he was facing here.

 

[d1042]

"wanting BK to fail" is low hanging fruit...picked by BK himself. I could care less how he's doing...and will probably barely notice when his replacement is named in a couple of years. On the flip side....Notre Dame and 'big game victory" continue to be mutually exclusive. Thats the sad reminder.

BK needs his ‘Deliverance’ moment!

 

[SubwaydomerDFW]

It means he was right?

Bingo!

You think he left because LSU serves BBQ and grilled veggies and ND players get ham sandwiches?

He was beating around the bush when he used an example of a programs commitment to winning. Everyone wants facilities training etc.

He wants an admin who’ll let the boosters hang dangerously close to the program. Lock step to being 2nd to none in CFB and ND will likely never be that way.

That dose of reality, should it manifest, will sting to a lot of ND fans. Others will crawl j a cave and lament how ND does it right on and off the field and laud graduation rates.

 

[banmate6]

This only came after the 2016 debacle.
Sonething the other coaches were not afforded...time...is what helped BK. He figured out ND no longer recruits itself. The brand still recruits itself to some degree but not it's entirety. You still have to work very hard at it. Weis and Willingham were not afforded long stays to right the ship and figure this out.
Brian Kelly can thank Charlie Weis and his billion dollars he got paid after being fired for the extra long leash given.

Quit making excuses for his inadequacies. You're being completely disrespectful to the players of ND and honestly the student athlete abroad. Implying you can't be good if you're smart and or dumb players can only be good athletes.
#1 that's utter bullshit and #2 that's not the truth.
ND can't recruit every single player but don't act like the football players must abide by the exact admission standards of the regular student. They don't.
Tell me how many players can't attend ND that are All american athletes at other schools.
Moreover I've got great examples that obliterate your stance on admissions.
If we're so athlete devoid then we had no business being in a position to win the following...

@ Tallahassee against Winston

Home and away against Georgia both could've and should've been won by us...

@ Clemson against Watson and company

All games against the best that had huge settings and all could've been won.

The problem is him. He gives absolutely positively no edge to his team over the other sideline. None whatsoever.

The above were all in the regular season with normal prep time.

With a month to prepare those games are embarrassing.

Our players don't suddenly go from being able to hang with the best of teams to then slower, weaker and less athletic with one month to prepare.

Good coaches take advantage of that month prep time covering all basis and using new plays...anythinh to get an edge.

Brian Kelly practices our infamous east west run plays and screen passes. No new formations. No new wrinkles.
You're right about his arrogance for sure!!

Compared to? Willingham and Weis? They weren't afforded any do-over years like BK was and ND was never going to be paying two coaches large sums of money who they no longer employed.

Where would you put Gerry Faust compared to Brian Kelly?
He had a better win than Brian Kelly ever had.
Gerry Faust had worse records collectively but he also played ridiculously much tougher schedules than Brian Kelly was afforded. Much tougher.

I'd bet that if you give Brian Kelly the schedules Gerry Faust had BK has a few more 4-8 seasons. I promise you that.

The perennial top teams in CFB during the Faust era were
Penn State
Pitt
Miami
USC
LSU/Michigan weren't at the top but decently ranked...

He played them all.

When?

Basically every year.

Brian Kelly never ever had to play schedules like that.

I'm confident you'd think a tad differently if he had played Faust's schedules.

Unfortunately you didn't provide examples that refute what the data actually states: that ND cannot win consistently in big games against the elite top 3. I asked in another thread for evidence that ND has as many 4 and 5 starts in depth as schools like AL, GA, and OSU. Including skill positions.

Last I checked, ND didn't. And I correlate it to academic admission and degree standards.

I didn't use the terms smart vs dumb either. I consistently point to my experience with pro and semipro soccer. Again, the committed athletes put time into athletics vs academics in a zero sum game. Many simply don't put much into academics at all...and are much better athletes, especially in sports IQ and psychological toughness.

Home and away against Georgia both could've and should've been won by us...

Oh come on. GA was on a trajectory to get things right for many years now, cumulating into being current NC. ND is not in their league, not back then, especially not now. 2-0 in a home and away is a strong statement, no matter how you spin it.

The Irish lose to top opponents consistently when a lot is on the line. Since Holtz this has pretty much been the case. ND happened to lose their lost bowl game, being more less evenly matched with Oklahoma State.

AL, OSU, and OSU are a bridge too far. Never mind many teams stand to give our Irish a run for the money in a big match. Being elite 3-4 (there aren't always 4 elite teams, usually 3 is the standard).

 

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Unfortunately you didn't provide examples that refute what the data actually states: that ND cannot win consistently in big games against the elite top 3. I asked in another thread for evidence that ND has as many 4 and 5 starts in depth as schools like AL, GA, and OSU. Including skill positions.

Last I checked, ND didn't. And I correlate it to academic admission and degree standards.

I didn't use the terms smart vs dumb either. I consistently point to my experience with pro and semipro soccer. Again, the committed athletes put time into athletics vs academics in a zero sum game. Many simply don't put much into academics at all...and are much better athletes, especially in sports IQ and psychological toughness.

Home and away against Georgia both could've and should've been won by us...

Oh come on. GA was on a trajectory to get things right for many years now, cumulating into being current NC. ND is not in their league, not back then, especially not now. 2-0 in a home and away is a strong statement, no matter how you spin it.

The Irish lose to top opponents consistently when a lot is on the line. Since Holtz this has pretty much been the case. ND happened to lose their lost bowl game, being more less evenly matched with Oklahoma State.

AL, OSU, and OSU are a bridge too far. Never mind many teams stand to give our Irish a run for the money in a big match. Being elite 3-4 (there aren't always 4 elite teams, usually 3 is the standard).

Ok so then you're saying Brian Kelly is the greatest of coaches...right?
Since these other schools as you claim just get so much more talent according to you yet somehow Brian Kelly managed to upcoach the lowly ND football player to be in a position to beat Georgia...twice. I mean how in the hell could that even be possible? Brian and his coaching is just that incredible, eh?

Get out of here with that horseshit.

Here's your ****ing data...
When the sideline matters most like in a month prep time he falls on his face. Not a prediction actual real fact.
It happened! Once? Nah. Every single time BK's teams were playing a major bowl or playoff no matter his employer.

The gap isn't of talent isn't nowhere as despair as you imply but when Brian Kelly was coaching it was miles apart from the top teams.

Remember...
Our players can't suddenly play with top teams in the regular season but then somehow get slower, weaker, less athletic with a month prep time. Doesn't work that way.