2 total yards second half

[BGI User 756]

1988 ND 22 Navy 7
That was the only game Lou had against Navy which was anywhere near close.

Army and Navy in 95 gave us scares, but AF was the one that Holtz struggled with some (89 and ‘91 was pretty competitive) and lost in 96

 

[Irishjohn68]

Army and Navy in 95 gave us scares, but AF was the one that Holtz struggled with some (89 and ‘91 was pretty competitive) and lost in 96

Faust struggled against AF also.

 

[hoopsstar12]

That was a pathetic 2nd half display. I don't know if it was the Navy DC outwitting Rees in their chess match, lackluster effort overall by our offense, poor play by Pyne or some combination of all of those.

D. All of the above

 

[NDDadx3]

1988 ND 22 Navy 7
That was the only game Lou had against Navy which was anywhere near close.

Holtz beat Army 28-27 at the old Giants stadium when 165# Ivory Covington stood up 240# Army TE Leshinski on the goal line for what would have been the winning 2pt conversion.

 

[BGI User 756]

Faust struggled against AF also.

yup. Point of the post was that Lou even had problems with option/bone

 

[ftnfan62]

Bryce Young makes anyone look like a great OC.

 

[mbd11]

Holtz beat Army 28-27 at the old Giants stadium when 165# Ivory Covington stood up 240# Army TE Leshinski on the goal line for what would have been the winning 2pt conversion.

I was at that game.

 

[Patrirish]

Fire Rees now

You’re totally missing the point.

Yes, you could blame Rees for less than stellar play calls, but once he called each and every play it’s up to the offense to execute those plays, and the offense failed miserably !

 

[hoopsstar12]

It is a pattern against bad teams or unranked teams is the real point.

 

[Get Nasty]

Our inability to be prepared focused and play with intensity vs lesser teams is a pattern …. 100% coaching

 

[Chitown11]

It was a bad second half of football for sure im not trying to absolve anybody of their responsibility as it relates to having the team prepared to play better vs a bad Navy team.

I'm just saying that there are factors in play that contributed to making things look worse than they really were.

5 possessions for 2 yards against $hitass Navy. Factors? My God they should get at least two yards every play. Are you high?

 

[hvillebill]

Fire Rees now

I see the Clown Show is out in full force. How predictable.

 

[Chitown11]

I thought that the play of the OLine was very substandard !

Thats being kind

 

[Get Nasty]

I see the Clown Show is out in full force. How predictable.

Yep Rees was what we all thought, agree with you

 

[Fightingirish595]

Pyne is the bigger problem than Rees. Freeman isn’t a problem at all

 

[Patrirish]

Our inability to be prepared focused and play with intensity vs lesser teams is a pattern …. 100% coaching

We finally agree !

 

[Patrirish]

Thats being kind

👍

 

[Patrirish]

It was a bad second half of football for sure im not trying to absolve anybody of their responsibility as it relates to having the team prepared to play better vs a bad Navy team.

I'm just saying that there are factors in play that contributed to making things look worse than they really were.

LIKE WHAT ?

 

[mbd11]

I thought that the play of the OLine was very substandard !

How much of it was their fault, though? They were outnumbered. Navy was blitzing every play towards the end.

 

[Patrirish]

How much of it was their fault, though? They were outnumbered. Navy was blitzing every play towards the end.

Then you run dump offs and screens.

I was disappointed that there wasn’t any adjustment made to offset the blitz’s

 

[rgc7]

A total embarrassment. Was agonizing to sit through.

I Was not able to watch the first half , but I got home at the start of the 3rd Qt. I saw that ND was
leading by about 11 points, and I felt that I could
just sit back and watch ND run out the clock.
However, the Navy defense looked like a National
Championship defense. Sacks, pass defense, stuffing our running plays. Forcing ND into 3 and outs. How did ND ever get the lead ?

 

[NDinNJ]

Then you run dump offs and screens.

I was disappointed that there wasn’t any adjustment made to offset the blitz’s

That's Rees' fault, he's the OC.

 

[GDFan]

You’re totally missing the point.

Yes, you could blame Rees for less than stellar play calls, but once he called each and every play it’s up to the offense to execute those plays, and the offense failed miserably !

So explain this … if the play call is a run up the middle, navy stacks the box with 8-9 guys, it’s the players problem it wasn’t successful??

 

[Patrirish]

Pyne is the bigger problem than Rees. Freeman isn’t a problem at all

?
Pyne went 17 of 21 for 269 yards and 4 TD’s

 

[Patrirish]

So explain this … if the play call is a run up the middle, navy stacks the box with 8-9 guys, it’s the players problem it wasn’t successful??

YES, Because the defense doesn’t know the point of attack.

If you run the ball between the left tackle and left tight end 6 of the defenders in your theoretical 9 man box are out of the play at the stop. If you run between the center and the guard, with your size advantage, you should be able to get more than a few yards in a half.

The OLine played terrible, 66 yards against Navy and you don’t think that’s a problem

With your theoretical 9 man box, it begs for a short,pass, dump off or screen.
The lack of countermeasures is on the coaches, plural

 

[banmate6]

So explain this … if the play call is a run up the middle, navy stacks the box with 8-9 guys, it’s the players problem it wasn’t successful??

Shouldn’t ND still get the push vs a much smaller Navy? And be able to run sweeps being faster?

I still can’t make sense of the 2nd half. Not when ND can play power offense and defense against Clemson all game.

It seems a classic letup happened. Coaches knew this but seemingly couldn’t do much about it.

I’ll take 7-3. Progress. Still observing…as the fact is it will take the rest of the season to fully evaluate. One thing I do feel strongly about: ND has weak QBs.

 

[Patrirish]

That's Rees' fault, he's the OC.

It’s also the HC’s fault, he either approves or disapproves of the calls

 

[mbd11]

Then you run dump offs and screens.

I was disappointed that there wasn’t any adjustment made to offset the blitz’s

And we did do that in the 1st half. The Estime and Tyree touchdown catches were both on Navy blitzes. But strangely, we never did that in the 2nd half, even though it worked in the 1st half. That's the weird part.

 

[Patrirish]

And we did do that in the 1st half. The Estime and Tyree touchdown catches were both on Navy blitzes. But strangely, we never did that in the 2nd half, even though it worked in the 1st half. That's the weird part.

Difficult to understand

 

[cambo282]

Of course we will hopefully get a new OC next year even though I think they will give TR another year due to the circumstances. I’m just hoping MF finally utilizes the transfer portal to bridge the gap until CJ can get here.

 

[GDFan]

YES, Because the defense doesn’t know the point of attack.

If you run the ball between the left tackle and left tight end 6 of the defenders in your theoretical 9 man box are out of the play at the stop. If you run between the center and the guard, with your size advantage, you should be able to get more than a few yards in a half.

The OLine played terrible, 66 yards against Navy and you don’t think that’s a problem

With your theoretical 9 man box, it begs for a short,pass, dump off or screen.
The lack of countermeasures is on the coaches, plural

Agree the play calls hurt. I can’t blame the OL as much when they are trying to block more guys than you have blocking.

 

[GDFan]

Shouldn’t ND still get the push vs a much smaller Navy? And be able to run sweeps being faster?

I still can’t make sense of the 2nd half. Not when ND can play power offense and defense against Clemson all game.

It seems a classic letup happened. Coaches knew this but seemingly couldn’t do much about it.

I’ll take 7-3. Progress. Still observing…as the fact is it will take the rest of the season to fully evaluate. One thing I do feel strongly about: ND has weak QBs.

I agree they should be able to run sweeps…I don’t think Rees called any.

 

[NDblitz]

It’s also the HC’s fault, he either approves or disapproves of the calls

HC isn't sitting on the phones going "yeah. that's a good call. Go ahead and run that." He might say "run the ball more or let's throw it downfield or work your RPO's. " But he's not giving permission to run a play. That second half was 4 things.

1. Rees not diversifying the run game to attack the Navy pressure.
2. Rees not using formations to force Navy out of the 9 man overloads.
3. OL went into a coma and was not intense. Which can happen when you throw the ball a lot and then need to change gears and run it.
4. Pyne being average and not being able to play his way out of the pressure from Navy. He missed some throws that were TD's or BIG plays and he didn't utilize the P in the RPOs.

 

[Fightingirish595]

?
Pyne went 17 of 21 for 269 yards and 4 TD’s

Most of that was first half. They win in spite of Pyne. Not because of him.
If drake maye or someone of that caliber was the QB of this team they’d be undefeated and would likely make the CFP

 

[Patrirish]

Most of that was first half. They win in spite of Pyne. Not because of him.
If drake maye or someone of that caliber was the QB of this team they’d be undefeated and would likely make the CFP

Nonsense, 17 of 21 should have made running the ball easy, but it didn’t, ND struggled to run the ball and no other QB could have changed that

 

[Patrirish]

HC isn't sitting on the phones going "yeah. that's a good call. Go ahead and run that." He might say "run the ball more or let's throw it downfield or work your RPO's. " But he's not giving permission to run a play. That second half was 4 things.

1. Rees not diversifying the run game to attack the Navy pressure.
2. Rees not using formations to force Navy out of the 9 man overloads.
3. OL went into a coma and was not intense. Which can happen when you throw the ball a lot and then need to change gears and run it.
4. Pyne being average and not being able to play his way out of the pressure from Navy. He missed some throws that were TD's or BIG plays and he didn't utilize the P in the RPOs.

1. He did diversify the run game and nothing worked
2. On what plays did Navy have 9 man overloads, cite the quarter and game clock
3. Pure nonsense, we only threw the ball 21 times.
4. More nonsense, he only missed 4 throws. Cite the 4 throws he missed for TD’s or big plays.
Use the quarter and game clock

The HC is sitting on the phones listening to everything !

And if he’s Not, he shouldn’t be a HC !

 

[Patrirish]

I agree they should be able to run sweeps…I don’t think Rees called any.

He did and everyone complained that he should run north-south, not East-west

 

[Patrirish]

Agree the play calls hurt. I can’t blame the OL as much when they are trying to block more guys than you have blocking.

Agree, and that’s where I fault Rees for not calling quick outs and/or slants, and screens

 

[GDFan]

He did and everyone complained that he should run north-south, not East-west

I’m not everyone. I don’t recall seeing a single toss.

 

[Patrirish]

Of course we will hopefully get a new OC next year even though I think they will give TR another year due to the circumstances. I’m just hoping MF finally utilizes the transfer portal to bridge the gap until CJ can get here.

How do you know that he would be better ?