That's a good point. But my guess is he can look at his teammates because this was tolerated, maybe even encouraged by some close to him. He may really feel like he didn't do anything wrong.
Cam Ward opts out of the 2nd half
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But i guess the real question is... can he look at himself in the mirror? When he's on his deathbed one day, is he gonna say... I'm glad I opted out the 2nd half. I'm a better man for it?
And the Miami coaches probably accepted his decision. Otherwise, they would come off as selfish greedy coaches who only care about winning.
I'm sure they don't, and I'm not in their situation so I'm just pissed it's come to this.
I know players played to the end til lawyers got involved
How can an organization that's been doing this for decades not get a handle on this in spite of the Courts decision. They had to see it coming , or catch wind of it.
It's hard to believe that decision was done in a vacuum
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I hope he can’t look at himself in the mirror and believe he made the right decision.
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I am not sure he will be thinking of a bowl game on his deathbed anyway.
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Then why play any games after the team has been eliminated? They knew after seven games (5-2) that they wouldn't make the playoffs...why play after that?
Another frustration of mine. The whole point of sitting out is because you've peaked as a NFL draft prospect and don't want to play to risk an injury right? But if that's the reason then why would you play any games that even if you perform well, will not improve your draft stock? Are you somehow more susceptible to injury in a bowl game instead of a regular season game? Just letting fear guide the decision.
Oh no, he lost a chance at eating a giant Pop Tart. What a travesty.
Blows my mind at how selective so many of you are when it comes to things like “character”. I could give a # of specific examples, and I bet some of you know where I’m going with this. But what’s the point. As usual hypocrisy runs amok.
Blows my mind at how selective so many of you are when it comes to things like “character”. I could give a # of specific examples, and I bet some of you know where I’m going with this. But what’s the point. As usual hypocrisy runs amok.
Better yet let's say you get into the NFL and your contract is coming up my guess is you'll sit out then too
You’re too stupid to understand that you can insure your financial future through Lloyds of London
You can eliminate the emotion and the risk by insuring your future with Lloyd’s of London
Of course it’s beyond you, anything above second grade is beyond you
You can protect your financial future by insuring it
Rick neuheisel brought up players were insured by the university, though he didn't say all were
That’s very interesting
In order to insure somebody there has to be an insurable interesi
I wonder what the tax implications are in the event of a claim
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Colorado secured what it said was record insurance coverage for quarterback Shedeur Sanders and Heisman Trophy winner Travis Hunter as the star duo opted to complete their college careers in the Alamo Bowl rather than sit out and prepare for the NFL draft.
Why wouldn't this be standard?
You're getting way, way off the rails here, is this for real? It's not a big deal at all, and you are blowing this up into something it isn't. You're making him feel bad, or you're trying to. You're guilt-tripping him. And a player might feel bad because you made him feel bad, by imposing your morals on him. That's how that works. And you're not holding society together by so doing that, you're just getting yourself off.
Everything's fine. The only thing that seems to resonate with you is that coaches are in charge, they have the power, and players do as they're effin' told. That's what your morality is really about. Obedience and deference to authority. And nobody's even really flouting it. He just sat out the 2nd half, and let Emory Williams finish it off. Which is great, I'm sure he appreciated the opportunity. One thing's for sure, if someone like Cam Ward ever feels bad about his life, about something like this, it's going to be because people like you wanted him to feel bad, and it finally got to him. Otherwise he has a clean conscience.
Those who think this is nothing and not a problem and so on are the reason this kind of behavior is allowed.
If I was a GM I would have to think long and hard about picking him; what will his future 'team mates' think? Is this a guy who is going to cut and run when it gets tough?
Those claiming that is the way society is now are the reasons why this is thought to be nothing.
IF this is nothing, what is something?
And if you claim there is something, then you have no right to complain if someone else says it is nothing.
If I was a GM I would have to think long and hard about picking him; what will his future 'team mates' think? Is this a guy who is going to cut and run when it gets tough?
Those claiming that is the way society is now are the reasons why this is thought to be nothing.
IF this is nothing, what is something?
And if you claim there is something, then you have no right to complain if someone else says it is nothing.
I disagree its smart. you are now tainted; what team mate in the future is going to believe in you when the going gets tough?
When did I say they 'feel good' about it? I said they don't feel bad, and presumably they're okay with it, that is not the same thing. You're not being honest, because you want to get your way. And you continue to guilt-trip them vicariously, that's like all you got left. A coach is in charge, he can set any policy he wants. He can sit the player from the beginning, but he let Cam Ward play and get the record. So what's the problem, other than you didn't get what you want?
Because that's what this comes down to. This ain't your concern. The fact that you as a fan would be so presumptuous as to think your opinion or your preference matters at all, other than voting with your feet if that you're bothered by it, is offensive. The players play hard, they practice hard, and they more than live up to their end of the bargain as participants in gladiatorial combat for the masses. You don't tell them what their emotions should be.
“I disagree its smart. you are now tainted; what team mate in the future is going to believe in you when the going gets tough?”
I get your point, burmafrd, but in terms of the risk, it would be considered a smart, if not, shrewd move. W/ that said, I still don’t agree w/ the idea that the risk is completely detrimental. Certain posters continue to cite Jaylon smith as an example. That’s ridiculous, imo. He had a severe injury & he’s made 33 million dollars as a pro. I’m sure that he lost millions, but had he got hurt in his first few years, he loses millions too. What’s the difference?
I get your point, burmafrd, but in terms of the risk, it would be considered a smart, if not, shrewd move. W/ that said, I still don’t agree w/ the idea that the risk is completely detrimental. Certain posters continue to cite Jaylon smith as an example. That’s ridiculous, imo. He had a severe injury & he’s made 33 million dollars as a pro. I’m sure that he lost millions, but had he got hurt in his first few years, he loses millions too. What’s the difference?
I'm not arguing about this. You're putting emotions and thoughts into the hearts and minds of CFB players to further your own personal agenda, and standing firm by it, and bickering over semantics. You'll get no validation from me.
Legally, there has to be an insurable interest
So was the University of Colorado the owner beneficiary
Or the two players
It would be interesting to know the details
You didn't read my post. I'm asking questions about how he feels about himself.
"only thing that seems to resonate with you is that coaches are in charge, they have the power, and players do as they're effin' told."
That's how it works. The coaches are in charge.
That is the order of things, and those in charge tell you what to "effin" do.
Would you rather it be the reverse?
Good, now we're finally getting to some honest talk here. Well, you better have a chat with Mario Cristobal then. He's the coach, he okay'd this. You think it was against his will? You think he needs some help from fans like you to reassert his total dominant authority? He never would have stood for this, but the circumstances were just too much for him but his heart's in the right place. So maybe if a horde of supporters like you guys threw your collective weight in support of sad sack coaches like him, it could turn the tide. Maybe. At least we know what it's really all about for you guys.
And it's such a shame, because it still seemed like a good football game to me, couldn't tell where the problem was. But that's not enough for you.
That's a great question, I don't really know. I don't know if it's possible to make a stipulation like that. Given the constraints of the NIL policy. I don't think any of the terms can be tied to football performance. It's just advertising. That's all NIL is. A complete mockery is made of it, quite naturally, and appropriately. And it's de facto pay for play. But I'm not a lawyer, and I don't know how much trouble you might be asking for, if you attempted to include as provisions that in order to get this money, in exchange for use of one's NIL, that you had to play in bowl games. Maybe you could try and argue that we won't get as much marketing kick out of a star player, if he opts out of the bowl games, because cantankerous fans will resent that fact, and stop buying our products. Or some bullshit like that.
Was he injured? Opting out at halftime is bizarre. That 49er player was raked over the coals for not going back into the game.
First it was a very good game
Second if you are saying for coaches listen to the players about what's happens on the field and to adjust.
I believe good coaches have been doing that for a very long time
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I believe who is ever at the time (booster now)
(Universities later) might want to attach that playing in a bowl is part of the package get injury insurance much like Colorado did, or don't sign the deal
