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Riley Leonard before Notre Dame...

I see the issue we’re having between passing yards/total yards and see why you responded with the 2900 yards. I also didn’t quote your original post, and why should his rushing stats be disregarded anyway? If you’re making a decision on who to play, everything should be considered. It’s the sum of all parts. Who is the best person to give ND the best odds of winning. And it’s just odds. No one knows for sure how any one player will play in an upcoming game.

He runs “ok”? That’s absurd. He’s awesome as a runner. He won’t break one of 50? He has at least three runs over 50, and why use such an arbitrary number? Check his awesome TD run against Clemson last year. Does it not count because it was only 44 yards? I would never say something like “so and so is okay..I mean..he can’t break one over X yards”. Such an ignorant comment. A ballcarrier can have a great game rushing without a run over 10 yards.

Leonard’s completion percentage as a sophomore was better than any year Hartman had and now Hartman is in the NFL. Does that mean he is a better passer? No, it’s just circumstances. He also had two less INT’s than Hartman did as a sixth year with 91 more attempts. Again, does this mean Leonard is a better passer? No, it’s just circumstances. Stats are overrated.

It’s arrogant of you to assume that I’m an “apologist”. I don’t know Leonard so why would I care? I had a post on here saying that I didn’t think he was all that different from Hartman and Angeli before the season. I didn’t need to see him struggle against NIU and then spout off. Then I actually watched him and thought he was quite good. How much of Leonard have you watched?

“In case you didn't know all it takes is a coach loading the box daring us to beat them in the air and down the field.” Funny. This is part of why I think he’s so valuable.

No, the stats don’t speak for themselves. How much of Leonard did you watch prior to this season?
Yes...he runs ok.
Do you understand that means he's not a bad runner?
Or do you need me to shower down a ton of superficial adoration and start a Heisman campaign?

He's can run, yes. He's not so explosive that the defense plais tentative hoping he doesn't break a long one.

On the contrary, because he can't throw, it will be remarkably tougher sledding for him to run. Teams clearly know what Riley is all about. There's no mystery about his game.
Duke, his two games here, teams know exactly how to play him.
The rest of the way every team should dare him to throw down the field.

Hartman? Why are you bringing up a player no longer participating.
He has nothing to do with Riley whatsoever.
Unless you're talking about how foolish it is to keep brining in other team's table scraps then sure bring him up.

P.s.
For you, I'll ignore the stats. Just know the eye test can't be ignored and everyone can clearly see he sucks throwing the ball.

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If the coaches have to take away Leonard's running ability to protect him during a game, you're in a sense taking away the only redeeming thing that makes him a serviceable QB. I would feel much more comfortable with Angeli in that case if I am a coach. But the thing is I'm not a coach. So what do I know. I do feel Freeman should grow some balls and pull Leonard to light a fire under his ass the way Saban did that last year with Milroe.

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I would just go off his bowl performance which was great. He looked like a totally serviceable ND-level type QB, who easily could have been the starter, and we still could have had playoff aspirations without ever recruiting a transfer QB. Certainly with this schedule we could have. RL has more upside, and that's why we pursued him. If it's not working out, and you have someone as apparently highly competent and capable at least at a good solid journeyman level as SA, then you could easily make a QB switch if your hotshot transfer is struggling and quite possibly hurting the cause, and it's not like it's some momentous decision.

I wouldn't hesitate at all if I had any doubts. Assuming Angeli is in good trim and good spirits and ready to go.

was anyone else a little disturbed by howard cross's remarks in the post game presser?

No doubt they do especially in the age we are living. I played from 87-91. I bet I didn't get interviewed more than a dozen times. No social media presence back then. Pretty much local/state coverage only except when we were on ABC or another network. There wasnt the college football presence on ESPN then that there is now. No conference networks. Guessing players at every school get some sort of media guidance.
Yep....... i never made it past a few reporters with either a note pad and or a recorder.
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In 2023, Angeli had more than twice as many TD passes and completed more down field passes of 20+ yards (and had fewer interceptions, a higher completion rate, and QB rating), but only passed the ball 1/4 of the amount of attempts Riley had.

The “garbage time” argument may not be valid here because 90% of the time a QB turns around and hands it off during garbage time. Not passing 20+ yards down the field. Apple to apples, both Duke and ND’s WR were horrendous last year as well, so I think that is a moot point as well. Freeman is in practice and he knows more than me, so I’m just going to see how this plays out, but thought those statistics were a bit interesting.
Great coaches make changes. Saban did it last year even though we all knew Buchner most likely wouldn't get it done when he was given the opportunity, I was still rooting for the kid. He got the hook during the game, and Milroe ended up taking back the QB1 role after Simpson was ineffective as well.
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