Leonard’s Shoulder Injury
- By Chitown11
- Under the Dome
- 36 Replies
NIU is probably better than Purdue, however the Boilers do have a better QB in Hudson CardWe were held to 14 points at home by a MAC team....I think we are already in trouble.
NIU is probably better than Purdue, however the Boilers do have a better QB in Hudson CardWe were held to 14 points at home by a MAC team....I think we are already in trouble.
WGAF how he got hurt. I said he would be hurt( I assumed running however Riley is now Mr. Glass) by game 4, it only took a game and half.You said if he was running he would be out. He was passing when he got hurt. Edit: might have gotten hurt earlier but most seem to think getting spun around and slammed is what got him…that was a passing play.
oh but...Leonard is, up to this point, basically playing at his career averages (61% passing @ 5.1 yards per play) The 0 touchdowns and 2 picks moves the needle in the wrong direction, however. He is what he is. How this team and coaching can compensate for any deficiencies remains to be seen. If he is not 100% healthy, and playing, then the scoreboard will confirm that. Getting through the first 3 or 4 games, successfully, and without injury was sort of the benchmark. ND has failed on both counts, it seems. Leonard, if playing hurt, is exposed to getting hurt even more. That is on Freeman, not Leonard. Freeman needs to coach this team like his job depends on it. Not that it does, but that it should. And it isn't just about the quarterback.
I would take Dabo Swinney in a heartbeat. In fact...if Clemson doesn't want him....we should hire him next season. He has another title run in his system; and it will take a coach of that calibur to get ND back into the playoffs. Freeman is in over his head; that is clear as day.The post game interview with the guy, when he was in tears on the field.. I don't care who you are, but its hard not to like a guy like that. It stings we lost to them and all that, but I'd rather lose to a coach like him than a Dabo Sweeney type guy.
We were held to 14 points at home by a MAC team....I think we are already in trouble.I think the team finds a way to beat Purdue. If we lose, we are in serious trouble.
Leonard is, up to this point, basically playing at his career averages (61% passing @ 5.1 yards per play) The 0 touchdowns and 2 picks moves the needle in the wrong direction, however. He is what he is. How this team and coaching can compensate for any deficiencies remains to be seen. If he is not 100% healthy, and playing, then the scoreboard will confirm that. Getting through the first 3 or 4 games, successfully, and without injury was sort of the benchmark. ND has failed on both counts, it seems. Leonard, if playing hurt, is exposed to getting hurt even more. That is on Freeman, not Leonard. Freeman needs to coach this team like his job depends on it. Not that it does, but that it should. And it isn't just about the quarterback.I understand what ok means. I have no idea how someone who has watched more than the three games in which Leonard and ND have participated could describe him as “ok”.
How much of Leonard did you watch without ND being involved? Really, how much?
He has outstanding instincts/innate skills as a runner, probably sub 4.65 speed, and good acceleration all while being physical and possessing a championship mindset and determination. He’s outstanding as a runner in my opinion and not just good or ok.
I bring up Hartman in order to reference and demonstrate that you can’t just go off of stats.
I don’t think you understand how a dangerous runner at QB affects the whole game or how all 22 players tie into each other.
You’re also so sure that he sucks at passing. Off of what? A bad NIU game throwing the ball and some surface statistics? I’m not confusing him with Jimmy Clausen as a passer. There’s more than one way to win a football game.
How much of Leonard have you watched without ND involved?
I understand what ok means. I have no idea how someone who has watched more than the three games in which Leonard and ND have participated could describe him as “ok”.Yes...he runs ok.
Do you understand that means he's not a bad runner?
Or do you need me to shower down a ton of superficial adoration and start a Heisman campaign?
He's can run, yes. He's not so explosive that the defense plais tentative hoping he doesn't break a long one.
On the contrary, because he can't throw, it will be remarkably tougher sledding for him to run. Teams clearly know what Riley is all about. There's no mystery about his game.
Duke, his two games here, teams know exactly how to play him.
The rest of the way every team should dare him to throw down the field.
Hartman? Why are you bringing up a player no longer participating.
He has nothing to do with Riley whatsoever.
Unless you're talking about how foolish it is to keep brining in other team's table scraps then sure bring him up.
P.s.
For you, I'll ignore the stats. Just know the eye test can't be ignored and everyone can clearly see he sucks throwing the ball.
Perfectly stated and to add...Again, you are cherry picking one game. Look at their body of work over their collegiate career. Everyone can have a bad game and a great game, but how do they look over the span of their careers.? That's where you have a clearer picture.
That said, Angeli, has a limited sample size, so honestly we don't know for sure, but he's been accurate and has produced every time he's been sent on the field. Again that doesn't translate to Angeli is going to be good, because it's too small a sample size.
Yes...he runs ok.I see the issue we’re having between passing yards/total yards and see why you responded with the 2900 yards. I also didn’t quote your original post, and why should his rushing stats be disregarded anyway? If you’re making a decision on who to play, everything should be considered. It’s the sum of all parts. Who is the best person to give ND the best odds of winning. And it’s just odds. No one knows for sure how any one player will play in an upcoming game.
He runs “ok”? That’s absurd. He’s awesome as a runner. He won’t break one of 50? He has at least three runs over 50, and why use such an arbitrary number? Check his awesome TD run against Clemson last year. Does it not count because it was only 44 yards? I would never say something like “so and so is okay..I mean..he can’t break one over X yards”. Such an ignorant comment. A ballcarrier can have a great game rushing without a run over 10 yards.
Leonard’s completion percentage as a sophomore was better than any year Hartman had and now Hartman is in the NFL. Does that mean he is a better passer? No, it’s just circumstances. He also had two less INT’s than Hartman did as a sixth year with 91 more attempts. Again, does this mean Leonard is a better passer? No, it’s just circumstances. Stats are overrated.
It’s arrogant of you to assume that I’m an “apologist”. I don’t know Leonard so why would I care? I had a post on here saying that I didn’t think he was all that different from Hartman and Angeli before the season. I didn’t need to see him struggle against NIU and then spout off. Then I actually watched him and thought he was quite good. How much of Leonard have you watched?
“In case you didn't know all it takes is a coach loading the box daring us to beat them in the air and down the field.” Funny. This is part of why I think he’s so valuable.
No, the stats don’t speak for themselves. How much of Leonard did you watch prior to this season?
They don't call it "The Cradle of Coaches" for nothing.He’s currently busy on the phone with MAC coaches getting help and learning how to coach