FightingIrish44 said:

Do we know for certain he can’t make the long throw? We all saw the INT against NIU, but do we know what precisely led to the ball being so under-thrown? Do we know for certain Angeli can make long throws? Even if Angeli can make long throws, he very well could have a bad ball himself. We have such a small sample size with Angeli.

I’m not ragging on Angeli as I like him. He had a nice game against Oregon State.

I’m not a fan of the TD/INT ratio. There is value in it for sure, but TD’s are often a function of the entire team, and more specifically, the entire offense. Obviously you see Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels most recent ratios and it’s pretty safe to assume they’re good QB’s.

However, Jayden Daniels had 17 TD’s to 2 INT’s as a true freshman. Then, as a junior, he had 10 TD’s and 10 INT’s. Did he get worse as passer two years later? Maybe he just had a few off days the way Leonard did against NIU? Maybe his team as a whole wasn’t as good and that’s why his ratio fell?

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NDinNJ said:

2 points

1. Riley Leonard can't make the long throw, allowing the defense to cheat up, containing Leonard's running.

2. TD to INT ratio. For every 2 TD's he throws 1 INT. That's terrible by any standard.

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savvyandsassier said:

Alright, cool. That doesn't really answer the question. And coming from you you're just trying to tell someone to shut up which is all you do with any of your lamely dismissive, condescending posts. And having said that, what to make of HC3's post game demeanor after this shitty loss, who can say, you'd have to use your own judgement.

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savvyandsassier said:

Alright, cool. That doesn't really answer the question. And coming from you you're just trying to tell someone to shut up which is all you do with any of your lamely dismissive, condescending posts. And having said that, what to make of HC3's post game demeanor after this shitty loss, who can say, you'd have to use your own judgement.

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FightingIrish44 said:

I see the issue we’re having between passing yards/total yards and see why you responded with the 2900 yards. I also didn’t quote your original post, and why should his rushing stats be disregarded anyway? If you’re making a decision on who to play, everything should be considered. It’s the sum of all parts. Who is the best person to give ND the best odds of winning. And it’s just odds. No one knows for sure how any one player will play in an upcoming game.

He runs “ok”? That’s absurd. He’s awesome as a runner. He won’t break one of 50? He has at least three runs over 50, and why use such an arbitrary number? Check his awesome TD run against Clemson last year. Does it not count because it was only 44 yards? I would never say something like “so and so is okay..I mean..he can’t break one over X yards”. Such an ignorant comment. A ballcarrier can have a great game rushing without a run over 10 yards.

Leonard’s completion percentage as a sophomore was better than any year Hartman had and now Hartman is in the NFL. Does that mean he is a better passer? No, it’s just circumstances. He also had two less INT’s than Hartman did as a sixth year with 91 more attempts. Again, does this mean Leonard is a better passer? No, it’s just circumstances. Stats are overrated.

It’s arrogant of you to assume that I’m an “apologist”. I don’t know Leonard so why would I care? I had a post on here saying that I didn’t think he was all that different from Hartman and Angeli before the season. I didn’t need to see him struggle against NIU and then spout off. Then I actually watched him and thought he was quite good. How much of Leonard have you watched?

“In case you didn't know all it takes is a coach loading the box daring us to beat them in the air and down the field.” Funny. This is part of why I think he’s so valuable.

No, the stats don’t speak for themselves. How much of Leonard did you watch of Leonard prior to this season?

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echowaker said:

I can tell you this for absolute certainly. Players and coaches don't have the luxury or time to dwell on the outcome of games good or bad. When I played the minute a game ended the focus shifted to the next game. It has to be that way unless it's the absolute last game of that season. There is little to no time for it.

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88ND said:

Again you can't comprehend or just simply ignorantly in denial.
Perhaps an apologist for Riley as you might be paying his NIL.
The entire subject in all these posts are strictly about his passing.

Let me repeat just so you get it this time
These posts are about his passing ability or lack of if you will....

As I pointed out in other threads we aren't as good at running the ball like Nebraska of 94 and 95...

In other words we NEED to throw the ball for success. Imposing our will running the ball is great but we can't rely on that all the time.
There is another team over there and they're trying hard. They also have coaches and they're trying as well.
In case you didn't know all it takes is a coach loading the box daring us to beat them in the air and down the field.
We can't make them pay because our passing game is bad. Really bad!
Riley has already shown his ability and what he can do in the passing game He's a middle of the D1 type of QB.
He runs OK...won't break one 50 yards so he's not a game changer...
but his throwing is atrocious.
The stats speak for themselves. Weak inaccurate arm which is nothing new for a QB around these parts. Matter of fact you'd think we strive to play these types of players.

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NDblitz said:

"Just want to play within the offense. We don't need anything spectacular," Freeman said to NBC sideline reporter Zora Stephenson. "Do exactly what your coaches tell you to do, play within the game plan and the rest will take care of itself. If we start trying to make plays and throw the ball down the field, then all of a sudden we're playing out of character. Just do exactly what we want you to do and the rest will take care of itself."

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Get Nasty said:

Agree with this, but also, howard is in a unique situation where he's not capable of having his normal impact and he's not playing much.

At least for me, maybe this was bad I don't know, but the feeling of a loss was different when you were a big part of the game plan, vs a little part, vs none at all. You never wanted to lose, but when you weren't involved, it didn't hurt as bad vs when you were playing the entire game and playing a big part of the outcome, losses really hurt.

But as you said, i moved on to improving the second the game was over after a loss. After a win, I enjoyed it for the rest of the day unless I played like crap.

I think howard is in a position he's more ticked off he's not healthy and can't go out and dominate the line like he can and have a huge impact on the game.

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NDblitz said:

"Just want to play within the offense. We don't need anything spectacular," Freeman said to NBC sideline reporter Zora Stephenson. "Do exactly what your coaches tell you to do, play within the game plan and the rest will take care of itself. If we start trying to make plays and throw the ball down the field, then all of a sudden we're playing out of character. Just do exactly what we want you to do and the rest will take care of itself."

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echowaker said:

I can tell you this for absolute certainly. Players and coaches don't have the luxury or time to dwell on the outcome of games good or bad. When I played the minute a game ended the focus shifted to the next game. It has to be that way unless it's the absolute last game of that season. There is little to no time for it.

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tbonesays said:

We don't know if NIU is better than those teams or not, nor whether Hartman is better than RL.

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Quest4Twelve said:

They are world beaters for the crap teams they play for, and then they end up pooping the bed when they come to Notre Dame.

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rrdd2021 said:

Michigan has a few good seasons and then they disappear. They won the NC in 1997 and then disappeared for a couple of decades. They'll be back when they find another excellent cheater

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rrdd2021 said:

Michigan has a few good seasons and then they disappear. They won the NC in 1997 and then disappeared for a couple of decades. They'll be back when they find another excellent cheater

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BaldyNd said:

Michigans run is over, there’re going to be back to a 9 win team. The talent differential is huge. Was a short run but good for them for getting an NC out of it, more than many can say.

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