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Riley Leonard before Notre Dame...

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Harpo Marxist said:
Leonard is, up to this point, basically playing at his career averages (61% passing @ 5.1 yards per play) The 0 touchdowns and 2 picks moves the needle in the wrong direction, however. He is what he is. How this team and coaching can compensate for any deficiencies remains to be seen. If he is not 100% healthy, and playing, then the scoreboard will confirm that. Getting through the first 3 or 4 games, successfully, and without injury was sort of the benchmark. ND has failed on both counts, it seems. Leonard, if playing hurt, is exposed to getting hurt even more. That is on Freeman, not Leonard. Freeman needs to coach this team like his job depends on it. Not that it does, but that it should. And it isn't just about the quarterback.
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oh but...

You are forgetting about the NIL.

For some odd reason there are some posters here that think he's a benefit to this team playing QB.
He's a detriment to the team and that's just a fact.

BUT...
how much of this is the NIL dictating the depth chart?
No coach will talk about this honestly but you better believe the NIL is a factor in all this.

If Riley is benched for performance what message does this send to other players and of course whoever is writing these absurd NIL checks.
Can the Genie actually terminate the NIL if he is benched?
Why would anyone pay a player to ride the pine?

Just another reason why NIL will/has ruined the game. I said before the pay to play will kill the game in 5 years. It's dying much quicker than I thought.
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NIU head coach

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Irish_inPSU said:
The post game interview with the guy, when he was in tears on the field.. I don't care who you are, but its hard not to like a guy like that. It stings we lost to them and all that, but I'd rather lose to a coach like him than a Dabo Sweeney type guy.
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I would take Dabo Swinney in a heartbeat. In fact...if Clemson doesn't want him....we should hire him next season. He has another title run in his system; and it will take a coach of that calibur to get ND back into the playoffs. Freeman is in over his head; that is clear as day.
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Riley Leonard before Notre Dame...

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FightingIrish44 said:
I understand what ok means. I have no idea how someone who has watched more than the three games in which Leonard and ND have participated could describe him as “ok”.

How much of Leonard did you watch without ND being involved? Really, how much?

He has outstanding instincts/innate skills as a runner, probably sub 4.65 speed, and good acceleration all while being physical and possessing a championship mindset and determination. He’s outstanding as a runner in my opinion and not just good or ok.

I bring up Hartman in order to reference and demonstrate that you can’t just go off of stats.

I don’t think you understand how a dangerous runner at QB affects the whole game or how all 22 players tie into each other.

You’re also so sure that he sucks at passing. Off of what? A bad NIU game throwing the ball and some surface statistics? I’m not confusing him with Jimmy Clausen as a passer. There’s more than one way to win a football game.

How much of Leonard have you watched without ND involved?
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Leonard is, up to this point, basically playing at his career averages (61% passing @ 5.1 yards per play) The 0 touchdowns and 2 picks moves the needle in the wrong direction, however. He is what he is. How this team and coaching can compensate for any deficiencies remains to be seen. If he is not 100% healthy, and playing, then the scoreboard will confirm that. Getting through the first 3 or 4 games, successfully, and without injury was sort of the benchmark. ND has failed on both counts, it seems. Leonard, if playing hurt, is exposed to getting hurt even more. That is on Freeman, not Leonard. Freeman needs to coach this team like his job depends on it. Not that it does, but that it should. And it isn't just about the quarterback.
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Riley Leonard before Notre Dame...

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88ND said:
Yes...he runs ok.
Do you understand that means he's not a bad runner?
Or do you need me to shower down a ton of superficial adoration and start a Heisman campaign?

He's can run, yes. He's not so explosive that the defense plais tentative hoping he doesn't break a long one.

On the contrary, because he can't throw, it will be remarkably tougher sledding for him to run. Teams clearly know what Riley is all about. There's no mystery about his game.
Duke, his two games here, teams know exactly how to play him.
The rest of the way every team should dare him to throw down the field.

Hartman? Why are you bringing up a player no longer participating.
He has nothing to do with Riley whatsoever.
Unless you're talking about how foolish it is to keep brining in other team's table scraps then sure bring him up.

P.s.
For you, I'll ignore the stats. Just know the eye test can't be ignored and everyone can clearly see he sucks throwing the ball.
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I understand what ok means. I have no idea how someone who has watched more than the three games in which Leonard and ND have participated could describe him as “ok”.

How much of Leonard did you watch without ND being involved? Really, how much?

He has outstanding instincts/innate skills as a runner, probably sub 4.65 speed, and good acceleration all while being physical and possessing a championship mindset and determination. He’s outstanding as a runner in my opinion and not just good or ok.

I bring up Hartman in order to reference and demonstrate that you can’t just go off of stats.

I don’t think you understand how a dangerous runner at QB affects the whole game or how all 22 players tie into each other.

You’re also so sure that he sucks at passing. Off of what? A bad NIU game throwing the ball and some surface statistics? I’m not confusing him with Jimmy Clausen as a passer. There’s more than one way to win a football game.

How much of Leonard have you watched without ND involved?
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Riley Leonard before Notre Dame...

88ND
NDinNJ said:
Again, you are cherry picking one game. Look at their body of work over their collegiate career. Everyone can have a bad game and a great game, but how do they look over the span of their careers.? That's where you have a clearer picture.

That said, Angeli, has a limited sample size, so honestly we don't know for sure, but he's been accurate and has produced every time he's been sent on the field. Again that doesn't translate to Angeli is going to be good, because it's too small a sample size.
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Perfectly stated and to add...
Fans are a trendy sort. Coaches shouldn't be but sometimes they're the worst of the bunch. Trendy....oh hail the trendiest of days.

Amgeli is a victim of the trendiest of times.
He's not a dual threat QB.

As such...the question to the trendy o' folk is;
Do you take a QB who can run OK but is lousy throwing the ball or do you take the QB who can't run but has a stronger more accurate arm.

In 2023 we were ranked 15th in the nation in yards per carry with a completely one dimensional and small QB who possessed a weak arm. Hartman was no threat to run yet we were getting 5.3 yards per carry. 15th in the nation.
In other words we have a good rushing attack without a mobile QB.

We NEED a legit passing threat. Riley isn't really a threat at anything and definitely scares no one (but us) throwing the ball.
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Football Podcast: Dayne Crist on how a quarterback gets back on track, adjusts to new system

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Former Notre Dame quarterback Dayne Crist (2008-11) discusses how Riley Leonard can bounce back from a rough start to the season, what it's like on campus after a loss like last weekend's, how difficult it is to switch offensive systems, his role in the 2009 win at Purdue, returning to play following injuries, what he's seen from ND's receivers, his confidence in head coach Marcus Freeman and more.

Then @Eric Hansen and I answer questions from Twitter and The Insider Lounge (27:09).

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