What's happening to the First Amendment?

[DublinND]

My point is that if conservatives want to bitch about conservative speakers not getting the right to speak at college campuses, you'd be better served getting angry at the fact that Condoleezza Rice was not able to speak at a campus, rather than a guy who is an internet troll/provocateur. Maybe the same people who support "Focus on the Family" want to have Milo be the standard-bearer they support, but I doubt it.

Who cares about whether " Focus on the Family " likes what Milo has to say . I personally hv really never listened to him. His whole point and shtick is to draw attention to the intolerant and dissent stifling double standard political correctness culture that exists on college campuses

Yes, Trump won but that is not the same as a mandate as the concept has been used in the past. So we will have to disagree. Currently, he only has approx. 40% approval.

Yeah he's at 40% approval from the same sources who said the election was over 2 months bf 11/08 and Trump had NO path to victory. Plzzzzzz... with your bs. Do you know what a mandate is??? A mandate is earned when you clearly state prior to election exactly what you will do in policy terms if elected. Trump clearly stated that he would 1. Build a wall. 2, limit immigration from certain Islamic nations known for radical terrorism. 3. Lower Corp and ind taxes. 4. Rebuild the US military. 5. Repeal and replace Obamacare ( ACA). He won. Hence he has a mandate! Sorry no amount of liberal tears can change that. I suggest you man up and suck it up .

 

[beachcardinal]

OK sheep let play.

1. Trump is all about Nationalism.
2. Policy on deporting illegals and banning foreign nationals (including a teenager here in Houston from a country not on his banned list) can be seen as disdain for human Rights
3. He very clearly names enemies to unify his supporters vs opposition's (CNN, Hillary, Obama, Ryan, etc)
4. Spending plan is Huuuge on military spending
5. He is controlling mass media
6. He's obsessed with national security
7. Rampant disregard for exclusionary clause in the Constitution.
8. Advisory committee full of large CEOs. Protecting corporate power
9. Obsession with crime and punishment.
10. Obvious cronyism within his advisors and cabinet.

... Not all of these things are bad on their own... But every single one is listed as an early warning sign of fascism. Stop being a sheep.

Wow. let's see
1. OK, given
2. How can enforcing the law be seen as a disdain on human rights? You know that every President has deported people right? Know who hold the records for the most deportations...Obama, Sorry 2 fails.
3. Please every politician does this.
4. Hasn't spent a penny on military yet. What he recommends has to be approved by congress and the bill to do so has to originate in the house.
5. You can't be serious. He is controlling all these news accounts criticizing him? Anyone jailed, any laws passed restricting freedom of the press. You think the news organizations take direction from him. He has criticized the press, not controlled it.
6. I sure hope so, it is the primary duty of the President after all.
7. Really, are courts now accepting illegally obtained evidence because to Trump? Please explain.
8, Please list the steps he has taken to protect corporate power. Most President consult with successful people. For Obama it was Soros, a wealthy Corporate big wig. For Trump it is others.
9. Obsessed? You realize the Constitution requires the President to take good care to see the laws of the UNtied States is enforced, right. It is his job. Obama didn't bother which is one reason the courts enjoined his amnesty executive order.
10 Have do idea what this means.

 

[Nocalirish]

We're a democratic Republic with Constitutional rules that thoughtfully seeks to avoid domination by the two or three largest States in our presidential elections. In football terms, Hillary kicked six field goals and Trump score five touchdowns. She may have scored more often, but Trumps scores counted more, and yes...it was a butt whipping. One of the greatest developments in the history of mankind is the peaceful transition of power after free elections, and the Democratic Party strategy to undermine and try to delegitimize Trumps election is one of the low points of our political history.

No the low point came 8 years ago when the Republicans did the same thing to our truly elected President Obama and then got worse when a treasonous candidate comrade Trumpsky was placed in control of our country by Putin and the Communists.

 

[beachcardinal]

No the low point came 8 years ago when the Republicans did the same thing to our truly elected President Obama and then got worse when a treasonous candidate comrade Trumpsky was placed in control of our country by Putin and the Communists.

Great, another chance for you to reveal Trump's treason. Please explain rather than ducking the request again.

 

[DublinND]

Great, another chance for you to reveal Trump's treason. Please explain rather than ducking the request again.

You're asking the impossible. This guy NoCal is a one note Charlie. Make that 2 notes.. Trumpsky and Comrade. 8 yrs ago and for full his full 2 terms almost the entire media complex bowed at Obama s feet. It's impossible to have a reasoned discussion with people who are either fundamentally dishonest or impaired cognitively. In case of No Cal it appears both apply.

 

[TheDecker]

No the low point came 8 years ago when the Republicans did the same thing to our truly elected President Obama and then got worse when a treasonous candidate comrade Trumpsky was placed in control of our country by Putin and the Communists.

How did Putin "install" Trump?

Because someone in Russia leaked a few DNC emails, showing that the DNC was literally corrupt?

Any other alternative facts you wanted to try?

 

[beachcardinal]

I have asked for facts to support anyone of the claims of illegality he advanced. No responses. I now believe he is just trolling. No one is that bad at supporting their own arguments.

I also wonder if he complained when Obama had the justice department followed Fox's News' Rosen or secretly had them review the phone records of the associated press.

 

[DublinND]

I have asked for facts to support anyone of the claims of illegality he advanced. No responses. I now believe he is just trolling. No one is that bad at supporting their own arguments.

A lot of them are. Sad that without " talking points" they're lost.

 

[twalsh]

Splitting hairs between Berkeley and CPAC is a distinction without a difference. Your distinction is focused on the demonstrators, rather than the right of an organization to invite or disinvite a speaker. Both the pedophile and the protestors had a right of free speech. Each wanted to provoke the other, which they did. I didn't care for either group, but I respect their First Amendment Rights to be idiots. Can you do the same?

Seriously? You can't exercise free speech to the extent that you impair someone else's right to exercise theirs. It's not a competitive sport, it's a right.

 

[ndhell]

Seriously? You can't exercise free speech to the extent that you impair someone else's right to exercise theirs. It's not a competitive sport, it's a right.

Kyrie Irving shouldn't be allowed to say " The Earth is Flat ", that's all my kids talk about now.

 

[Irish Grandeur]

Rather fallacious considering she received more votes. Trump won, but it was not a great victory nor does he have a mandate.

Trump does have a mandate! The Republicans had all but ceded the Senate and Presidency. Trump won the Presidency and Republicans won the Senate for a 'hat trick'. The democratic party thoroughly got their butts whooped in 2016 - the American people spoke.

 

[Irish Grandeur]

Wow. let's see
1. OK, given
2. How can enforcing the law be seen as a disdain on human rights? You know that every President has deported people right? Know who hold the records for the most deportations...Obama, Sorry 2 fails.
3. Please every politician does this.
4. Hasn't spent a penny on military yet. What he recommends has to be approved by congress and the bill to do so has to originate in the house.
5. You can't be serious. He is controlling all these news accounts criticizing him? Anyone jailed, any laws passed restricting freedom of the press. You think the news organizations take direction from him. He has criticized the press, not controlled it.
6. I sure hope so, it is the primary duty of the President after all.
7. Really, are courts now accepting illegally obtained evidence because to Trump? Please explain.
8, Please list the steps he has taken to protect corporate power. Most President consult with successful people. For Obama it was Soros, a wealthy Corporate big wig. For Trump it is others.
9. Obsessed? You realize the Constitution requires the President to take good care to see the laws of the UNtied States is enforced, right. It is his job. Obama didn't bother which is one reason the courts enjoined his amnesty executive order.
10 Have do idea what this means.

It's a waste of time talking present day to those stuck in November '16. They hate your opinion even if it is factual. They are so used to stifling free speech by calling people names or resorting to violence. The democratic party is neo nazi.

They want to take your guns away, stifle your speech, and violently beat you if you do not comply - sounds a lot like Hitler to me.

 

[Telx1]

Yes, I acknowledge Trump won by the rules of our republic but he did not whoop ass (to which I replied) nor does he have a mandate. You can argue all you like, but the popular vote shows you incorrect. I have no disagreement with you trying to convince, even lying, to yourself.

Trump won the electoral college, not the same as large victory and certainly not a mandate. On the whole the Republican victory was more significant than Trump's; we will see whether Trump or Congress takes the upper hand in the upcoming budget debate.

Granite, Been out most the day and just read your reply, and see that others like Howard have provided detailed responses, beyond what I would have. Been on record here for months that I didn't vote for Trump, but I appreciate the level of frustration and anger and desire for new direction among those that did. Arguing that Hillary didn't get a butt whipping because she had more popular vote, when the only vote that counts is the electoral college where she got creamed, seems disingenuous to me. I didn't vote for either candidate for the first time in my life, and I don't think Trump honestly embraces my traditional Republican or conservative values on a policy level, but time will tell. Regardless, I accept he won the election according to the rules established by our constitution, and I want him to be successful in improving our economy, creating significant job growth, and ensuring the safety of our citizens. I didn't vote for Obama, but wanted him to be successful in the same way, and he simply wasn't. I don't think I'm the one having trouble accepting facts.

 

[beachcardinal]

Trump does have a mandate! The Republicans had all but ceded the Senate and Presidency. Trump won the Presidency and Republicans won the Senate for a 'hat trick'. The democratic party thoroughly got their butts whooped in 2016 - the American people spoke.

I get your point but not really accurate. The Republicans picked up over 1000 state and federal seats in the last five elections. Obama had the charisma to but the trend for Presidential elections. Trump was a result not a cause.

 

[Syd4ND]

Pennick ,
You got that right ! To compare Hitler's 1930's to America today is as clueless as clusless can be.
Hitler controlled all the Media and murdered or inprisoned any and all Journalist who expressed opposition !
He stiffled free speech, like the Left Wing controlled " Universities " do today.
He burned books and he and his controled media spread false Propaganda, like our media today.
He controlled the educational system and the Hitler Youth was well indoctrinated and believed in Hitler's Super Race theories.
He sent Jews, German citizens, Gypsies, and Clergy to concentration camps.
in short, He first caused chaos and mob violence, then gained power, then he controlled all media, and smashed all opposition, until the whole German population were under his comple control.
Before he came to power, Germany had gone not only through a great depression, but also through a great
inflation of their currency. No jobs and a worthless currency. Hitler was also a very charismatic person and a great orator as well as a dynamic leader.
There is no comparison of any kind to Nazi Germany, but the Democratic party, with their control
of the press and the educational system, and almost cotrol of the courts, were getting pretty close !

And, as far as I remember, Germany had no Constitution, Bill of Rights, or Supreme Court.

 

[Irish Grandeur]

I get your point but not really accurate. The Republicans picked up over 1000 state and federal seats in the last five elections. Obama had the charisma to but the trend for Presidential elections. Trump was a result not a cause.

I see what you are saying. Trump seemed to send a signal to both parties. Political politics from career politicians is over.

Republicans and democrats are two sides of the same coin. However, democrats are so far left that the extreme right is a moderate democrat. Half of the Republican party is made up of democrats that can't stomach that party any longer.

 

[beachcardinal]

I see what you are saying. Trump seemed to send a signal to both parties. Political politics from career politicians is over.

Republicans and democrats are two sides of the same coin. However, democrats are so far left that the extreme right is a moderate democrat. Half of the Republican party is made up of democrats that can't stomach that party any longer.

Agree

 

[zonairish]

one problem with the arguments here especially from the lefties. Where are the facts? If you are going to accuse the president of something base it facts. If he has done something against the press that is illegal demonstrate. With Pres Obama when he wire tapped James Rosen of Fox news there are facts. This was illegal and against freedom of the press. nocal lives in a liberal bubble

 

[BGI User 1596]

It wasn't the Russians, it was the auditors...

 

[deadirishpoet]

Who cares about whether " Focus on the Family " likes what Milo has to say . I personally hv really never listened to him. His whole point and shtick is to draw attention to the intolerant and dissent stifling double standard political correctness culture that exists on college campuses

Yeah he's at 40% approval from the same sources who said the election was over 2 months bf 11/08 and Trump had NO path to victory. Plzzzzzz... with your bs. Do you know what a mandate is??? A mandate is earned when you clearly state prior to election exactly what you will do in policy terms if elected. Trump clearly stated that he would 1. Build a wall. 2, limit immigration from certain Islamic nations known for radical terrorism. 3. Lower Corp and ind taxes. 4. Rebuild the US military. 5. Repeal and replace Obamacare ( ACA). He won. Hence he has a mandate! Sorry no amount of liberal tears can change that. I suggest you man up and suck it up .

At this point president Trump has a 100℅ approval rating in my household

 

[beachcardinal]

At this point president Trump has a 100℅ approval rating in my household

Maybe we can just end this foolishness (but I doubt it)

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Did congress pass a law abridging the freedom of the press? Does anyone think criticizing the press is NOT an exercise of free speech? If the answer to both is no can we just agree the OP was just being silly?

 

[TheDecker]

Maybe we can just end this foolishness (but I doubt it)

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Did congress pass a law abridging the freedom of the press? Does anyone think criticizing the press is NOT an exercise of free speech? If the answer to both is no can we just agree the OP was just being silly?

You're clearly not up to date on your "Politically Correct" version of legal rights.
You need to reference more Cal public school behavior.

If the public speech is something The Left agrees with....anyone criticizing, or even not actively promoting it...is a fascist who's infringing on your God-given right to free speech

But if public speech is something The Left doesn't agree with....it's okay to literally storm the stage and assualt the speaker, in order to silence them....and it's nearly mandatory to you at least drown-out their speech with shouting, so no one can hear ideas that The Left doesn't condone

But "The Left" has decided that everyone else is a fascist....lol

 

[Irish 54]

Comrade Trump is now banning press (CNN, NYTimes, Politico.)

Can you imagine if Obama banned Fox?!

This is all beginning to feel very 1930s Germany.

What an imagination you have, among other things.

 

[BGI User 1596]

What an imagination you have, among other things.

Tinfoil does that when it replaces a brain.

 

[beachcardinal]

What an imagination you have, among other things.

Actually Obama did try to ban Fox from press conference (not just informal gaggles.) So no imagination is necessary

 

[deadirishpoet]

Actually Obama did try to ban Fox from press conference (not just informal gaggles.) So no imagination is necessary

The Obama Administration also wiretapped several media Outlets

 

[TheDecker]

Actually Obama did try to ban Fox from press conference (not just informal gaggles.) So no imagination is necessary

Yep.

That's my favorite part of all of this.

Obama tried to ban Fox --> Tiny, tiny story
Trump bans MSNBC & CNN --> Total meltdown

But the meltdown is all about "The First Amendment" (which doesn't even come close to applying here) and not super-partisan politics and protecting incredibly biased media outlets.

Comical.

 

[beachcardinal]

Yep.

That's my favorite part of all of this.

Obama tried to ban Fox --> Tiny, tiny story
Trump bans MSNBC & CNN --> Total meltdown

But the meltdown is all about "The First Amendment" (which doesn't even come close to applying here) and not super-partisan politics and protecting incredibly biased media outlets.

Comical.

Also with Fox it was from a press conference not an informal gaggle.

 

[Irish 54]

Trump is the best thing to happen in politics in a very long time. Sit back and enjoy the ride

NY Times has been caught in more bad lies than weekend golfers

FAKE

Do not demean the millions who died in WW2 at the hands of Nazi scum by making comparisons to Trump

Do not insult your President with such venom

Obama sucked. Let terrorists go from Gitmo and countless bad deals but he was my President and I never whined Like a child and compared him to such a despicable despot

All good points. But get used to what going on today even if it is terrible.

 

[BGI User 1596]

Comrade Schumerski is going to lead a new Soviet in the USA. Free stuff for libtards!

 

[shabak]

Rather fallacious considering she received more votes. Trump won, but it was not a great victory nor does he have a mandate.

I believe I read that Trump won over 90% of the County's. Well he may not have got the popular vote, the electoral college is in play so States like New York and California do not control the elections. It's also my opinion that is a shitload of illegals that voted in California, but no one bothers to really check that out because it's a moot point. If you think Trump is doing a bad job, just look at the stock market. The stock market goes up when the public confidence is high and goes down when the public confidence is low. The Democrats are screwing up the nomination process, because they're angry that they are girl lost. Thank God for that

 

[DublinND]

The Obama Administration also wiretapped several media Outlets

James Rosen Fox News

 

[BGI User 1596]

James Rosen Fox News

Comrade Obamaski makes Pope canonize Saint Nixon!

 

[zonairish]

Here is the case as laid out by Mark Levin on Fox news. Brietbart news posted it. http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/03/05/mark-levin-breaks-trump-wiretapping-claims/ Nocalirish would have a fit. Watch the video it is compelling

 

[SiberianKnightmare]

Nothing like a political post to bring out the very worst in people. Some of you should be embarrassed by your behavior in this thread.

 

[BGI User 1596]

Nothing like a political post to bring out the very worst in people. Some of you should be embarrassed by your behavior in this thread.

Yes phony attacks on YOUR President by butt hurt liberals is embarrassing!

 

[ivan brunetti]

I believe I read that Trump won over 90% of the County's. Well he may not have got the popular vote, the electoral college is in play so States like New York and California do not control the elections. It's also my opinion that is a shitload of illegals that voted in California, but no one bothers to really check that out because it's a moot point. If you think Trump is doing a bad job, just look at the stock market. The stock market goes up when the public confidence is high and goes down when the public confidence is low. The Democrats are screwing up the nomination process, because they're angry that they are girl lost. Thank God for that

Modern presidents with the best stock market % gain:

1) Clinton
2) Obama

 

[DublinND]

Yes phony attacks on YOUR President by butt hurt liberals is embarrassing!

WE

Modern presidents with the best stock market % gain:

1) Clinton
2) Obama

American President with the lowest annual GDP rate. Never reaching 3% once in 8 years. First time in history.
1. Clinton
2 . Obama
Hint go with 2.

 

[TheDecker]

Modern presidents with the best stock market % gain:

1) Clinton
2) Obama

Over their entire 8 year terms, or in their first month?

I assume you're not promoting #FactNews by using #AlternativeFacts, such as comparing the 1-month long stock market gaines under Trump to 8 years of gains under Obama and/or Clinton.

Right?

 

[deadirishpoet]

James Rosen Fox News

They've wiretap the AP (personal cell phones)