Tried to Tell Everyone...We'll have an OPEN COMPETITION at QB

[TheDecker]

This was the only possible outcome of our situation.

There was never a question about whether there will be a totally open QB competition....the only question is:
"Who will win the open QB Competition"

Please note, coaches already acknowledge that not only will there be an open QB competition, but that the competition will go into Fall Camp (so all of Spring, Summer, and Fall)




This should put the nail in the coffin of those saying that anyone would simply be anointed 2016 QB before winning a full competition in Mid/Late August


https://notredame.n.rivals.com/news/irish-already-thinking-about-spring-quarterback-competition

 

[TheDecker]

Additional spoiler alert:

We'll have a competition at the RB position too (Folston, Prosise, Adams)....as long as they return to the team in 2016

Not to mention:
TE (Smythe, A. Jones, Weishar)
LB (Onwaulu, Morgan, Martini, Coney, Barajas, Bilal, Tranquill)
CB (Butler, Crawford, Watkins, Coleman)
S (Tranquill, Avery, M. Williams, Studstill)
etc.


Should be LOTS OF COMPETITION for the 2016 season.....which is great for the program!!

 

[Irish Grandeur]

What would be funny is if Zaire somehow wins the competition in practice and Kizer transfers. And, ND goes 7-5 while every college coach in the country says "WTF were you thinking?!?"

 

[TheDecker]

What would be funny is if Zaire somehow wins the competition in practice and Kizer transfers. And, ND goes 7-5 while every college coach in the country says "WTF were you thinking?!?"

ND has never lost a game with Zaire starting at QB (3-0), so that doesn't seem likely

Additionally, if both QB's take part in the competition until late August it's very probable that they would already be enrolled and in class (August 23rd) by the time a starting QB is name....so it's unlikely either would transfer for the 2016 season

That would mean Kizer play 2016 with ND, and then transfers in the spring and sits 2017 with his new team.....while Zaire plays out his final year of eligibility in 2017
(So when Kizer takes over a new team in 2018....he could already have been doing that at ND)





So it seems to me, as long as both Kizer and Zaire stick around until the winner of the QB competition is name (seems likely) it's unlikely either one would transfer prior to graduating from ND


You also have to look at how you message all of this to Wimbush...

 

[artemis gordon]

I should have listened to you Decker. A man of your elan and sagacity must be taken seriously.I feel ashamed for doubting you for even a nano second.

 

[cgvr]

This was the only possible outcome of our situation.

There was never a question about whether there will be a totally open QB competition....the only question is:
"Who will win the open QB Competition"

Please note, coaches already acknowledge that not only will there be an open QB competition, but that the competition will go into Fall Camp (so all of Spring, Summer, and Fall)




This should put the nail in the coffin of those saying that anyone would simply be anointed 2016 QB before winning a full competition in Mid/Late August


https://notredame.n.rivals.com/news/irish-already-thinking-about-spring-quarterback-competition

Please, kelly has stupidly and disingenuously stacked the deck in the past. He should never be trusted....

http://www.ndinsider.com/football/n...cle_d8e2976e-3afe-11e5-bf29-c784ec32fcb9.html

kelly's handling of Golson and allowing him to get away with murder turnover wise can be added to the litany of crappy head coaching he's exhibited. Zaire's performance off the bench has been extraordinary. I'm sure there's other talent being buried....

Zaire pasted Kelly and rightfully so....

"Zaire expected to play.

“I thought I would have a chance to start, and it wasn’t like that at all,” Zaire says. “It was like an unwritten thing, ‘He’s going to be the guy.’ You can’t say there’s going to be a quarterback competition and then decide three days into camp that he (Golson) won the position.

“I didn’t have an opportunity then, because I didn’t even run first-team reps. He was running everything with the first team, and then coach Kelly said, ‘All right, he won the starting job.’ That isn’t a competition. He was meant to win from the beginning.”

Each week, Golson took the lion’s share of the meaningful reps as Notre Dame prepared for its next opponent.

But on Saturday, Zaire expected to play.

“Sitting behind someone and feeling like you have something to contribute and not being able to do that was very frustrating at times for him,” his mother says. “He just wanted to get a chance. His thing was always, ‘Let me show you what I can do, because I know I can do it.’”

And yet, after more than two years in the program, results still didn’t match the expectation. Zaire found himself lost in football purgatory, stuck in the lonely chasm between the scout team and a starting job.

“I couldn’t do scout team, because they really didn’t know if I was going to play or not,” Zaire says. “So I was at practice for a whole year just standing there — just standing there, just standing there, just standing there. I’d go in and get like two reps, and then just stand there the whole practice. Some practices I wouldn’t even get reps. I would just get some 1-on-1 reps sometimes.

“So that was challenging for me, because it was like, ‘I know I’m better than what they’re giving me.’ I didn’t come here to be a bum. It was just really frustrating. Every time I get in, the coaches are cussing at me, telling me I’m bad.I’m doing something wrong. Get out.”

 

[Irish Grandeur]

Since Zaire has never lost in his two starts (yes, I said two starts because he would have likely lost to UVA) then somehow he will never lose a game forever?!? Drop the man-crush on Zaire. Honestly, I will just state this now - if BK makes Kizer second string to Zaire next year I will not watch a single game or ever follow ND again. That's not a threat - it's saying I am sick of the last 20 years and I do not want another 20 more.

 

[Irish Grandeur]

I hear what you're saying Decker. ND could've won the NC last year, 14-0 this year and 14-0 next year if they would just play MZ. I get it -

ND has never lost a game with Zaire starting at QB (3-0), so that doesn't seem likely

Additionally, if both QB's take part in the competition until late August it's very probable that they would already be enrolled and in class (August 23rd) by the time a starting QB is name....so it's unlikely either would transfer for the 2016 season

That would mean Kizer play 2016 with ND, and then transfers in the spring and sits 2017 with his new team.....while Zaire plays out his final year of eligibility in 2017
(So when Kizer takes over a new team in 2018....he could already have been doing that at ND)





So it seems to me, as long as both Kizer and Zaire stick around until the winner of the QB competition is name (seems likely) it's unlikely either one would transfer prior to graduating from ND


You also have to look at how you message all of this to Wimbush...

I actually get it now. You have picked a side in all of this. You want Zaire and don't want to be wrong.

 

[captstabbin]

Since Zaire has never lost in his two starts (yes, I said two starts because he would have likely lost to UVA) then somehow he will never lose a game forever?!? Drop the man-crush on Zaire. Honestly, I will just state this now - if BK makes Kizer second string to Zaire next year I will not watch a single game or ever follow ND again. That's not a threat - it's saying I am sick of the last 20 years and I do not want another 20 more.

Guess what.......NOBODY CARES. So there is that.

 

[Irish Grandeur]

Guess what.......NOBODY CARES. So there is that.

EXACTLY!!! Just like no one cares what you think.

 

[Pennick4]

Clue to OP. All positions are open.

 

[IllinoisIrish]

It will be Kizers job to lose. If Zaire loses out and Kizer succeeds, he will either be forced to transfer or switch positions.

 

[Pennick4]

Please, kelly has stupidly and disingenuously stacked the deck in the past. He should never be trusted....

http://www.ndinsider.com/football/n...cle_d8e2976e-3afe-11e5-bf29-c784ec32fcb9.html

kelly's handling of Golson and allowing him to get away with murder turnover wise can be added to the litany of crappy head coaching he's exhibited. Zaire's performance off the bench has been extraordinary. I'm sure there's other talent being buried....

Zaire pasted Kelly and rightfully so....

"Zaire expected to play.

“I thought I would have a chance to start, and it wasn’t like that at all,” Zaire says. “It was like an unwritten thing, ‘He’s going to be the guy.’ You can’t say there’s going to be a quarterback competition and then decide three days into camp that he (Golson) won the position.

“I didn’t have an opportunity then, because I didn’t even run first-team reps. He was running everything with the first team, and then coach Kelly said, ‘All right, he won the starting job.’ That isn’t a competition. He was meant to win from the beginning.”

Each week, Golson took the lion’s share of the meaningful reps as Notre Dame prepared for its next opponent.

But on Saturday, Zaire expected to play.

“Sitting behind someone and feeling like you have something to contribute and not being able to do that was very frustrating at times for him,” his mother says. “He just wanted to get a chance. His thing was always, ‘Let me show you what I can do, because I know I can do it.’”

And yet, after more than two years in the program, results still didn’t match the expectation. Zaire found himself lost in football purgatory, stuck in the lonely chasm between the scout team and a starting job.

“I couldn’t do scout team, because they really didn’t know if I was going to play or not,” Zaire says. “So I was at practice for a whole year just standing there — just standing there, just standing there, just standing there. I’d go in and get like two reps, and then just stand there the whole practice. Some practices I wouldn’t even get reps. I would just get some 1-on-1 reps sometimes.

“So that was challenging for me, because it was like, ‘I know I’m better than what they’re giving me.’ I didn’t come here to be a bum. It was just really frustrating. Every time I get in, the coaches are cussing at me, telling me I’m bad.I’m doing something wrong. Get out.”

Got news for you buddy. Every kid thinks he is the best at his position and should start.

 

[captstabbin]

EXACTLY!!! Just like no one cares what you think.

No kidding......but I am not crying like a baby on here whining about how I will never watch another ND game if the coach does not run the team the way I want him to......give me a break.

 

[TheDecker]

Since Zaire has never lost in his two starts (yes, I said two starts because he would have likely lost to UVA) then somehow he will never lose a game forever?!? Drop the man-crush on Zaire. Honestly, I will just state this now - if BK makes Kizer second string to Zaire next year I will not watch a single game or ever follow ND again. That's not a threat - it's saying I am sick of the last 20 years and I do not want another 20 more.

Zaire has 3 starts

So Zaire has never lost in his 3 starts
(Not sure how you can medically decide he would have lost to UVA...since ND beat them and Kizer really didn't play very well to do that)



It's not a man crush, Zaire is better in many categories and ND is better with Zaire in many categories. That's not debatable, it's a simple fact!!

Kizer could very much end the competition as the starter in 2016, but to do it he'll have by winning an open competition. Which is great for ND!

It was always obvious that is was going to be this way........so many just had their heads in the sand




Feel free not to watch (or post) no matter what the outcome of the QB competition is though.....you certainly won't be missed!

 

[Howard Hall 74]

Since Zaire has never lost in his two starts (yes, I said two starts because he would have likely lost to UVA) then somehow he will never lose a game forever?!? Drop the man-crush on Zaire. Honestly, I will just state this now - if BK makes Kizer second string to Zaire next year I will not watch a single game or ever follow ND again. That's not a threat - it's saying I am sick of the last 20 years and I do not want another 20 more.

Agree - Kizer is the best looking and best equipped with unique physical skill sets that no other QB on this present roster has. Period. Yes, there may be an open competition, but it will be Kizer's to lose. Yet, with BK anything is possible.....

 

[cgvr]

Got news for you buddy. Every kid thinks he is the best at his position and should start.

Got news for you buddy.

Zaire spelled out chapter and verse how kelly lied, said there would be a competition and then didn' have one....

Then, after allowing a full season to go down the tubes in a barrage of Golson turnovers, in the final game down 35-0 in the second quarter and only then did kelly allow Zaire meaningful minutes... mind blowing...

What happened next should alarm everyone about kelly's player management skills.

Zaire's long overdue introduction culminated with his coronation as Music City Bowl MVP in his first ever start....

kelly's an idiot and Zaire "survived" his mishandling.... .

 

[Pennick4]

Zaire has 3 starts

So Zaire has never lost in his 3 starts
(Not sure how you can medically decide he would have lost to UVA...since ND beat them and Kizer really didn't play very well to do that)



It's not a man crush, Zaire is better in many categories and ND is better with Zaire in many categories. That's not debatable, it's a simple fact!!

Kizer could very much end the competition as the starter in 2016, but to do it he'll have by winning an open competition. Which is great for ND!

It was always obvious that is was going to be this way........so many just had their heads in the sand




Feel free not to watch (or post) no matter what the outcome of the QB competition is though.....you certainly won't be missed!

Thank You Mrs Zaire. You have become very obnoxious. Post less and read more.

 

[TheDecker]

I hear what you're saying Decker. ND could've won the NC last year, 14-0 this year and 14-0 next year if they would just play MZ. I get it -

I actually get it now. You have picked a side in all of this. You want Zaire and don't want to be wrong.

I have literally never, ever said that Zaire will win the competition nor that I want him to win.......because that's not what I think/feel.

I have always maintained, 100%, that there will be a completely open QB competition and anyone can win it. And I'll be very happy with whoever wins the open competition, because they're both talented and the winner will have deserved it and will be our best QB



Sorry that the obvious, obvious fact that I was right all along and that there is an open QB competition on the horizon bothers you so much........but it doesn't change anything


We'll have a 100% open QB competition and the winner (or winners) of it will be great for ND and I expect to be very happy about the QB position in 2016

 

[TheDecker]

Clue to OP. All positions are open.

Yep

But if you go back and look at the NUMBEROUS threads on this topic, you'll find that I said that about QB (completely open competition with no named starter until late in fall camp) that the majority of this board melted down and shouted that the job was going to be handed to Kizer

The reality is right in the direct quotes from the coaches

Zaire and Kizer will have to compete 100% in order to earn the job for 2016

 

[TheDecker]

Got news for you buddy.

Zaire spelled out chapter and verse how kelly lied, said there would be a competition and then didn' have one....

Then, after allowing a full season to go down the tubes in a barrage of Golson turnovers, in the final game down 35-0 in the second quarter and only then did kelly allow Zaire meaningful minutes... mind blowing...

What happened next should alarm everyone about kelly's player management skills.

Zaire's long overdue introduction culminated with his coronation as Music City Bowl MVP in his first ever start....

kelly's an idiot and Zaire "survived" his mishandling.... .

Kelly is an idiot for getting a RS Frosh QB playing time and starts, at the expense of a Senior QB who has led the team to a NCG??


You seem both reasonable and intelligent....

 

[TheDecker]

Thank You Mrs Zaire. You have become very obnoxious. Post less and read more.

Sorry basic facts upset you

Sorry that direct quotes, links, and stats to support those basic facts also upset you

Feel free to post less, readless, and in fact come around less all together....or you could just try to support your points a little better
(and read/accept when others provide that support for their own points)

 

[Pennick4]

Got news for you buddy.

Zaire spelled out chapter and verse how kelly lied, said there would be a competition and then didn' have one....

Then, after allowing a full season to go down the tubes in a barrage of Golson turnovers, in the final game down 35-0 in the second quarter and only then did kelly allow Zaire meaningful minutes... mind blowing...

What happened next should alarm everyone about kelly's player management skills.

Zaire's long overdue introduction culminated with his coronation as Music City Bowl MVP in his first ever start....

kelly's an idiot and Zaire "survived" his mishandling.... .

Got news for you buddy. Zaire couldn't hit the broad side of a barn when he came to ND. He has made himself into a pretty good QB. Kelly fell in love with Golson's arm talent and should have sat his ass on the bench long before the bowl game last year. Kelly will lead all coaches in victories at the start of next season.

 

[TurnoverMachine]

Anyone with a brain knew there would be a QB competition this spring. If Wimbush doesn't get the job he'll transfer.

 

[Irish Grandeur]

I have literally never, ever said that Zaire will win the competition nor that I want him to win.......because that's not what I think/feel.

I have always maintained, 100%, that there will be a completely open QB competition and anyone can win it. And I'll be very happy with whoever wins the open competition, because they're both talented and the winner will have deserved it and will be our best QB



Sorry that the obvious, obvious fact that I was right all along and that there is an open QB competition on the horizon bothers you so much........but it doesn't change anything


We'll have a 100% open QB competition and the winner (or winners) of it will be great for ND and I expect to be very happy about the QB position in 2016

Ok Capt. Obvious, what are you saying? Every QB goes into spring competing for his job. One QB has ten starts and one has three - all is equal.

 

[TheDecker]

Anyone with a brain knew there would be a QB competition this spring. If Wimbush doesn't get the job he'll transfer.

We'll see, but I doubt that

I expect Wimbush to stick around and RS in 2016...and then if he doesn't win the job in 2017, I could see him transferring

But Wimbush transferring would seems to be the most "dangerous" of the QB transfer possibilities to me

 

[Pennick4]

Anyone with a brain knew there would be a QB competition this spring. If Wimbush doesn't get the job he'll transfer.

Apparently you didn't get any brain cells in your stocking.

 

[Bodizephax]

Since Zaire has never lost in his two starts (yes, I said two starts because he would have likely lost to UVA) then somehow he will never lose a game forever?!? Drop the man-crush on Zaire. Honestly, I will just state this now - if BK makes Kizer second string to Zaire next year I will not watch a single game or ever follow ND again. That's not a threat - it's saying I am sick of the last 20 years and I do not want another 20 more.

This is total BS !! Malik Z was leading the team on a drive to put the Irish up 26 to 14 and he had 87 yards rushing at the time. Deshone handed off to CJ on the first play in and CJ scored a TD.
Up 26 to 14 with momentum the team was shell shocked because of Maliks injury and preceded to lose the lead with Kizer being lost (being his first game) on the drives up into the last one when he hit Will Fuller on the bomb.
Kizer has done a great job this year but I wouldn't bury Malik yet. I believe we would be 12 and 0 with Malik not getting injured but that is just my opinion. Kizer did a great job I know that and he may win the position back next year especially if we beat Ohio State but putting down any of the qbs we have is nuts. Malik won the job for a reason.
And you are not a real fan of ND football if you won't watch because a certain player does not start over another. Haven't you learned anything after this year ? Next man in when someone falls. It is a team game !!

 

[TheDecker]

Ok Capt. Obvious, what are you saying? Every QB goes into spring competing for his job. One QB has ten starts and one has three - all is equal.

No, not all QB's come into camp competing for their jobs. Lots already have the spot locked up

Yes, all will be equal going into the COMPLETELY OPEN QB COMPETITION

Having 7 more starts than another player (who does have starting experience) is FAR from the be-all-end-all
It's a factor, but that's all it is....a factor



It's like I said, we already had this discussion
Tons of people (like you) stuck their heads in the sand and said "Kizer will be the starter, he's not losing his job, their won't be an open competition"

In this situation, the only possible outcome was a 100% open QB competition between Zaire and Kizer....and the coaches are already tell us that's rexactly what we'll get
(For all of Spring, Summer, and Fall camps)



The quotes are directly from the coaches and the QB's, they're clear, and they're definitive

It's time to say
"Dang, how did I miss something that obvious? Appreciate you setting me straight. Looking forward to the QB Competition and a great 2016 season for ND!!"
And then just put your head down quietly

 

[cgvr]

Kelly is an idiot for getting a RS Frosh QB playing time and starts, at the expense of a Senior QB who has led the team to a NCG??


You seem both reasonable and intelligent....

Your comprehension skills are extraordinarily lacking.

 

[cgvr]

This is total BS !! Malik Z was leading the team on a drive to put the Irish up 26 to 14 and he had 87 yards rushing at the time. Deshone handed off to CJ on the first play in and CJ scored a TD.
Up 26 to 14 with momentum the team was shell shocked because of Maliks injury and preceded to lose the lead with Kizer being lost (being his first game) on the drives up into the last one when he hit Will Fuller on the bomb.
Kizer has done a great job this year but I wouldn't bury Malik yet. I believe we would be 12 and 0 with Malik not getting injured but that is just my opinion. Kizer did a great job I know that and he may win the position back next year especially if we beat Ohio State but putting down any of the qbs we have is nuts. Malik won the job for a reason.
And you are not a real fan of ND football if you won't watch because a certain player does not start over another. Haven't you learned anything after this year ? Next man in when someone falls. It is a team game !!

Zaire's a total stud. We have a 2 headed monster with Wimbush in the wings....

I think the last time we were stacked like this was the late 70's..... Montana, Lisch... I hope the current guys turn out to be NFL talent.... they're tracking.

 

[TheDecker]

Your comprehension skills are extraordinarily lacking.

Close

The reality is your general comprehension skills are actually what is lacking

But a solid effort from you, none the less

 

[Pennick4]

No, not all QB's come into camp competing for their jobs. Lots already have the spot locked up

Yes, all will be equal going into the COMPLETELY OPEN QB COMPETITION

Having 7 more starts than another player (who does have starting experience) is FAR from the be-all-end-all
It's a factor, but that's all it is....a factor



It's like I said, we already had this discussion
Tons of people (like you) stuck their heads in the sand and said "Kizer will be the starter, he's not losing his job, their won't be an open competition"

In this situation, the only possible outcome was a 100% open QB competition between Zaire and Kizer....and the coaches are already tell us that's rexactly what we'll get
(For all of Spring, Summer, and Fall camps)



The quotes are directly from the coaches and the QB's, they're clear, and they're definitive

It's time to say
"Dang, how did I miss something that obvious? Appreciate you setting me straight. Looking forward to the QB Competition and a great 2016 season for ND!!"
And then just put your head down quietly

Thank You Grandma Zaire.

 

[twalsh]

It's not a man crush, Zaire is better in many categories and ND is better with Zaire in many categories. That's not debatable, it's a simple fact!!!

You may want to check out the difference between facts and your opinion. Not to discount your opinion.

 

[TheDecker]

Thanks You Grandma Zaire.

What a pathetic response, so clearly deviod of anything meaningful.....just insulting someone making a point you don't like (and simply can't dispute...at all)

It's clear you can't understand the basic and undebatable facts being presented to you here: Let me repost them for you:



No, not all QB's come into camp competing for their jobs. Lots already have the spot locked up

Yes, all will be equal going into the COMPLETELY OPEN QB COMPETITION

Having 7 more starts than another player (who does have starting experience) is FAR from the be-all-end-all
It's a factor, but that's all it is....a factor



It's like I said, we already had this discussion
Tons of people (like you) stuck their heads in the sand and said "Kizer will be the starter, he's not losing his job, their won't be an open competition"

In this situation, the only possible outcome was a 100% open QB competition between Zaire and Kizer....and the coaches are already tell us that's rexactly what we'll get
(For all of Spring, Summer, and Fall camps)



The quotes are directly from the coaches and the QB's, they're clear, and they're definitive

It's time to say
"Dang, how did I miss something that obvious? Appreciate you setting me straight. Looking forward to the QB Competition and a great 2016 season for ND!!"
And then just put your head down quietly

 

[TheDecker]

You may want to check out the difference between facts and your opinion. Not to discount your opinion.

Just did

Turns out stats and game outcomes are facts!
Turns out coaches and players telling everyone that there will be a competition (publicly, to reporters) is a fact!

Conveniently, my opinion was then based on these facts

 

[Pennick4]

You may want to check out the difference between facts and your opinion. Not to discount your opinion.

I will be glad to discount his opinion.

 

[tkirish]

Nothing wrong with QB competition. As far as one transferring, I wouldn't worry about it. Nothing anyone can do if one of the QBs transfers. It happens more than you think. This is a great position for ND. Competition makes everyone better. When was the last time ND had this kind of talent at QB? One thing the QBs need to know. You are always one play away from being number one. In today's game that is truer than ever.

 

[coolirish9]

ISD just put out comments on there twitter page from kizer and he was telling them that Wimbush can throw the ball 70 yds on his knees and that he thinks it'll be a good three way battle this spring or something like that

 

[Nocalirish]

What would you expect the coaches to say? If Kizer wins the Fiesta and looks good doing it, he will be the starter for the first game next season unless he is injured or is suspended. It doesnt matter how good MZ looks in practice. Now he might be the redzone guy or he might be the second half starter but Kizer starts game one if he wins the bowl game.